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Discussion: Should Math be a Requirement?
Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Arioso
But is it necessary? Have we even defined "necessary" for this conversation? Because it seems like we're all going off different definitions of the words "need" and "necessary" and "should." Like, maybe I don't think I need anything but basic history. What's wrong with that? And how are the problems you see in that similar to the problems some see with thinking math is not "necessary?"
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Necessary in the sense of being tied to graduating and obtaining a degree
Especially in the case of a non math related career
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Originally posted by Lethal
Lord, some of y'all just want everyone to be stupid apparently  |
98% of the population forgets it ANYWAYS even when it is taught, so why are y'all playing this 'not learning this will have y'all dumb!!!'. 
Get the adults back in school for a day and give them a Geometry test. See how many pass.
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Not sure, but iHype is proof that English courses should be more focused on.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by iHype.
And how much of the population has STEM jobs? 5%?
We're forcing struggle on 100% of students for something 95% won't use in their career/lives again. Which is why this **** should be for College only if it's needed for your major/degree.
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dd; theres a reason why not many people have STEM jobs - its because only some of the best can make it - and what do they all have in common? they took beyond high school maths.
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Member Since: 4/24/2011
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Originally posted by Element
Limits are not that hard, but L'Hopital's Rule makes the process quicker in certain cases. It has been a year and a half since I learned it, so I don't remember the exact rule.
Integration seems to be the most difficult for most students, but I actually enjoyed it. It was pretty creative, actually. Differentiation was more confusing for me.
Yes, it is! I learned it in the middle of the semester that I took Calc 2. But that is really annoying that you will have to retake it! What was your previous major, out of interest? Calc 2 is notoriously the most difficult of the three in the calculus sequence. My Calc 2 class had 16 students at the start, and by the final withdrawal date, only 7 students remained.  |
I enjoyed integration, they might get confusing but they really make you think.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
The schools clog up our schedules with unnecessary ******** classes, while leaving the important, beneficial ones on the back burner.
I shouldn't have to take a classes that aren't going to help me after high school. The entire point of school is for us to prosper in the real world. I don't need Geometry or Geology to get through everyday life.
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The point of education is to make you a well-rounded, academically focused individual. By experiencing multiple disciplines in high school, you will be more aware of the world around you, and you never know when one of those concepts could become relevant in your life. When you get to college and choose a major, then you can take a plethora of courses that you consider beneficial. Until then (and including then), it is important to be exposed to all subjects and fields.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by iHype.
98% of the population forgets it ANYWAYS even when it is taught, so why are y'all playing this 'not learning this will have y'all dumb!!!'.
Get the adults back in school for a day and give them a Geometry test. See how many pass. |
Exactly but ask them about slavery or how to form a complete sentence and they'll know so obviously certain classes are actually more important and impactful in everyday life
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Member Since: 9/4/2011
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Originally posted by MiMiLamb
And so far, no one has posted an example of needing to use high level math in your everyday life. |
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Element
Yes, it is! I learned it in the middle of the semester that I took Calc 2. But that is really annoying that you will have to retake it! What was your previous major, out of interest? Calc 2 is notoriously the most difficult of the three in the calculus sequence. My Calc 2 class had 16 students at the start, and by the final withdrawal date, only 7 students remained. |
I had Actuarial Science and basically said "SCREW THIS" and dropped Calc 2 before figuring out what my new major would be. 
Then I decided on Data Analytics and figured out the bad news myself that I'd have to not only take Calc 2, but potentially Calc 3 (which I don't mind, if it's supposed to be easier - I'll probably be more interested in it anyway) if my school doesn't fix the pre-reqs for one of my classes. 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Georges
Maths can help improve analysis and observation skill. And I will not believe a GPA posted online.
No power or person in the world will make you believe that maths is worth it. It's your opinion and it'll probably never change, I tried though  |
It's great that you "tried" to shove your opinion down my throat to help! but I didn't ask for it, nor did I need it. I'm doing perfectly fine. Be blessed.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by iHype.
98% of the population forgets it ANYWAYS even when it is taught, so why are y'all playing this 'not learning this will have y'all dumb!!!'.
Get the adults back in school for a day and give them a Geometry test. See how many pass. |
omg those statistics sis  where are you getting that info from ? and if they do forget it it would sound like more of the education provider's fault for not properly reinforcing math in the correct way.
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Member Since: 9/4/2011
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Originally posted by Element
The point of education is to make you a well-rounded, academically focused individual. By experiencing multiple disciplines in high school, you will be more aware of the world around you, and you never know when one of those concepts could become relevant in your life. When you get to college and choose a major, then you can take a plethora of courses that you consider beneficial. Until then (and including then), it is important to be exposed to all subjects and fields.
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Well rounded in STEM, you mean.
American education definitely doesn't care about other subjects.
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Until then (and including then), it is important to be exposed to all subjects and fields.
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Like we haven't been exposed to math long enough..
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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;f;d this REALLY needs to be discussed with Science.
'Cus this Chemistry + Physics....
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by SupahBass05
It's from AP Calc BC. (Well, that's where I learned it lol)
and in l'hopital all u do is differentiate the numerator and denominator, so the equation becomes -2x/(4x^3-1) and u plug in 1 to get the answer. It can only be used when the limit is 0/0 before the differentiation.
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Yeah, AP Calc BC = Calc 2 in college.
Aha I remember that rule now.
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Originally posted by Georges
I enjoyed integration, they might get confusing but they really make you think.
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They definitely do! They are very abstract, but it was really interesting to see the different concepts and tricks to solve them, as well as the relationship of numbers and equations.
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STEM is 6% of the labor force, but that's alongside the fact that there's a colossal deficit in supply of STEM labor.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Anvarie
Beyond junior high?
I feel like unless your career involves math you shouldn't really need to learn anything else besides the basics
I mean why does a music major need to know about unions and intersections 
90% of the stuff you learn doesn't even end up being used irl |
i completely agree
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by iHype.
;f;d this REALLY needs to be discussed with Science.
'Cus this Chemistry + Physics....
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I can't feel bad for you because I haven't had to take either so far in my education so that's on you and your district 
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Originally posted by BudBud
omg those statistics sis where are you getting that info from ? and if they do forget it it would sound like more of the education provider's fault for not properly reinforcing math in the correct way.
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So, that means Math requirements need to be changed if such a staggering amount of the education providers aren't enforcing it right.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Anvarie
Not everyone is some greedy mathematician seeking the highest paying jobs available some of us are about the music not the bling |
and i didnt mean that at all sis , im just stressing the importance of progression in society and the role math has on that - and consequentially that people get rewarded nicely for it.
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Originally posted by SupahBass05
No Ciara references please.
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you got me - im actully shocked you noticed too
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by MiMiLamb
Well rounded in STEM, you mean.
American education definitely doesn't care about other subjects.
Like we haven't been exposed to math long enough..
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I personally found that my education featured a well-balanced mixture of all disciplines. I don't remember any subject being taught more heavily throughout middle school or high school.
But I could understand why they might be focused on presenting STEM so heavily; they need more people to embrace and join those fields.
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