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Discussion: Myths about Racism and Privilege
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Originally posted by Georges
So a post-racial society would be insulting for PoC? I mean, aren't they fighting against racism and ignorance with equality as a goal?
This just doesn't make sense to me, they want to fight racism but don't want equality?
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Of course we want equality It's not as simple as you're making it seem. It's not as easy as snapping your fingers, we as a society aren't there yet.
I already explained this to you too though. AND it's been repeated numerous times.
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We are obviously not equal so blatantly ignoring differences and whitewashing the subject doesn't make it better!
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Originally posted by Georges
So a post-racial society would be insulting for PoC? I mean, aren't they fighting against racism and ignorance with equality as a goal?
This just doesn't make sense to me, they want to fight racism but don't want equality?
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equality =/= ignorance
the point of equality is for people to ACCEPT and RESPECT who you are and see you for who you are as EQUAL
not to strip everyone of who they are so everyone's the same - THAT is not equality
a post racial society implies that race and culture are bad things which is a concept that stems from racial supremacy and racism
equality is about accepting & respecting people of all colors and cultures for the fact that they are of that color and of that culture, and not discriminating people - either in everyday life or institutionally - for those differences
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Slavery is happening again, but it's not in the historical sense. People are slaves to the system: welfare, food stamps, disability (there are counties/neighborhoods were 50%+ of the population collect disability checks. 50%!!!), and credit cars. It's not simply railing against "white man" that will solve this problem because this problem affects people of all colors and races. Just look at trailer parks and tell me that's not similar to inner city ghettoes.
Anyways, money + education are the only way to end this new form of slavery/racism/prejudice. People aren't going to think better of a whole group of people just because you demand them to and put up pretty charts and tumbles, while at the same time, the system and the media show a majority of people collecting welfare, getting locked up, thieving etc being of this race or that race.
I think that's about it though? there are certainly instances of true racism in little pockets. Like with "The Machine" in Alabama and the KKK, but that doesn't really affect 99% of black, hispanic, etc people. Make Money + college. that's the way.
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in a perfect world?
it's not really that easy
racism has bred a society where it's harder for people of color to achieve like that
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Originally posted by Samuel
Gays wanting equal rights =/= Tumblr activists wanting to change the definition of a word for no reason. Personalised racism can happen to white people. Just accept it
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that post was a mess but would you STOP!
the wording is so unimportant and trivial as compared to the rest of the argument, the emphasis on that little piece is RIDICULOUS
and stop calling her a tumblr activist too and devaluing her post like that, what is so damn wrong with a young person who is using the internet INTELLIGENTLY and the resources she has available to her to LEARN and to EDUCATE on something most people are ignorant about!?
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
in a perfect world?
it's not really that easy
racism has bred a society where it's harder for people of color to achieve like that
that post was a mess but would you STOP!
the wording is so unimportant and trivial as compared to the rest of the argument, the emphasis on that little piece is RIDICULOUS
and stop calling her a tumblr activist too and devaluing her post like that, what is so damn wrong with a young person who is using the internet INTELLIGENTLY and the resources she has available to her to LEARN and to EDUCATE on something most people are ignorant about!?
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I agree it is but she was the one who brought it up again. Don't blame me for quoting her and defending myself
The point I'm trying to make is that it's absolutely possible for people of other races to be racist towards white people, which some people can't seem to grasp.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
in a perfect world?
it's not really that easy
racism has bred a society where it's harder for people of color to achieve like that
that post was a mess but would you STOP!
the wording is so unimportant and trivial as compared to the rest of the argument, the emphasis on that little piece is RIDICULOUS
and stop calling her a tumblr activist too and devaluing her post like that, what is so damn wrong with a young person who is using the internet INTELLIGENTLY and the resources she has available to her to LEARN and to EDUCATE on something most people are ignorant about!?
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not really.
look at Asians.
Look at Black women who are increasingly educated and taking on management roles at companies. And as far as I know, it's not like there are programs trying to help only black girls succeed. They try to help both girls and boys.
Certainly not "in a perfect world."
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Originally posted by Samuel
I agree it is but she was the one who brought it up again. Don't blame me for quoting her and defending myself
The point I'm trying to make is that it's absolutely possible for people of other races to be racist towards white people, which some people can't seem to grasp.
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In the sociological sense, technically, no they CAN'T, that is (for the most part) impossible.
But in layman's terms, sure they can.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
not really.
look at Asians.
Look at Black women who are increasingly educated and taking on management roles at companies. And as far as I know, it's not like there are programs trying to help only black girls succeed. They try to help both girls and boys.
Certainly not "in a perfect world."
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jjjj you are so out of touch
racism is a contributor to the lasting high rates of poverty among the black community (i mean look at the effects of the reagan presidency following the benefits that lyndon b. johnson began to reap for them during the civil rights movement) and this poverty as well as the character of education/society in many areas with large black populations has affected the ability of many black people to succeed in school leading up to college -- as has the concept of racism in of itself
thereafter, black people are still disproportionately hired by most industries, less likely to receive grants for research, less likely to receive loans for start-up companies...that list goes on & on
and furthermore, it's funny that you mentioned black women
typically black women ARE afforded more opportunities than black men in education and the workplace and i'll let you guess why
these effects are probably the largest among the black community but you can be SURE that they affect all other people of color
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Originally posted by Georges
I just don't get it.
She wants racism to stop, but she wants equality not to exist (because it dismisses all the fights of PoC, but didn't PoC fight FOR equality? It wouldn't dismiss anything, it will end the struggle).
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true equality is accepting and embracing everyone differences, not pretending that everyone is the same and ignoring their roots. People ARE different and those differences shouldnt be ignored, but they shouldnt be treated negatively either
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Originally posted by jose168
true equality is accepting and embracing everyone differences, not pretending that everyone is the same and ignoring their roots. People ARE different and those differences shouldnt be ignored, but they shouldnt be treated negatively either
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This is a PERFECT explanation.
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All I'm getting from this power point is that white people are automatically racist because they are white
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Originally posted by GlitterfiedCyrus
All I'm getting from this power point is that white people are automatically racist because they are white
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I don't know how you're getting that,
but that's not what it says at all...
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
jjjj you are so out of touch
racism is a contributor to the lasting high rates of poverty among the black community (i mean look at the effects of the reagan presidency following the benefits that lyndon b. johnson began to reap for them during the civil rights movement) and this poverty as well as the character of education/society in many areas with large black populations has affected the ability of many black people to succeed in school leading up to college -- as has the concept of racism in of itself
thereafter, black people are still disproportionately hired by most industries, less likely to receive grants for research, less likely to receive loans for start-up companies...that list goes on & on
and furthermore, it's funny that you mentioned black women
typically black women ARE afforded more opportunities than black men in education and the workplace and i'll let you guess why
these effects are probably the largest among the black community but you can be SURE that they affect all other people of color
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in education and the workplace? does it have anything to do with higher drop out rates, higher violent crime rates, higher likelihood of joining a gang by the age of 13, etc?
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
in education and the workplace? does it have anything to do with higher drop out rates, higher violent crime rates, higher likelihood of joining a gang by the age of 13, etc?
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Yes.
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What I got from this was: -White people are racist. No big surprise.
-White people have never had any type of racism in the past, because they were the ones doing racist acts.
-Because white people have never had any type of racism in the past, they are privileged.
-Equality is the goal, but there are still some remnants of racism in which the privilege plays a significant role in.
-To abolish racism to a full extent, white people must accept their privilege and help PoC.
-Race will never go away so it should not be "ignored"; everyone's race and culture should be celebrated (Note, celebration is not appropriation. Each race should be admired individually by unanimous peoples, without being appropriated).
-The bad actions of a certain race's past (AKA WHITE PEOPLE) should take the blame and attempt to try and make up for it. While there is no way that these white actions could be made up for, acceptance of the blame and working to fix the wrongdoings of ancestors would be ideal.
-White privilege gives white people the advantage to try and help stop racism altogether, and in turn actually help PoC without ****ing up.
-Also I was reading a few pages back (I skipped to the last page after like 3) that this PowerPoint is trying to say prejudice and discrimination are not considered acts of racism, but I think the equations are trying to say that prejudice and discrimination are components of the overall thing that is racism. While not being the concrete definition of racism, discrimination and prejudice are part of the many many things that make up racism.
-White people are dumb for acting like they will ever be affected by racism. Dumb Starbucks jokes or whatever will do no harm to their race. There is hardly ever prejudice or discrimination against white people. And there is not, nor will there ever be, anything institutional that will diminish their rights.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
in education and the workplace? does it have anything to do with higher drop out rates, higher violent crime rates, higher likelihood of joining a gang by the age of 13, etc?
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that's all the result of poverty, the racism of the war on drugs, etc. which has disproportionately affected people of color and relates to the lack of opportunities for many people of color in those positions lol
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Originally posted by Nii.
What I got from this was: -White people are racist. No big surprise.
-White people have never had any type of racism in the past, because they were the ones doing racist acts.
-Because white people have never had any type of racism in the past, they are privileged.
-Equality is the goal, but there are still some remnants of racism in which the privilege plays a significant role in.
-To abolish racism to a full extent, white people must accept their privilege and help PoC.
-Race will never go away so it should not be "ignored"; everyone's race and culture should be celebrated (Note, celebration is not appropriation. Each race should be admired individually by unanimous peoples, without being appropriated).
-The bad actions of a certain race's past (AKA WHITE PEOPLE) should take the blame and attempt to try and make up for it. While there is no way that these white actions could be made up for, acceptance of the blame and working to fix the wrongdoings of ancestors would be ideal.
-White privilege gives white people the advantage to try and help stop racism altogether, and in turn actually help PoC without ****ing up.
-Also I was reading a few pages back (I skipped to the last page after like 3) that this PowerPoint is trying to say prejudice and discrimination are not considered acts of racism, but I think the equations are trying to say that prejudice and discrimination are components of the overall thing that is racism. While not being the concrete definition of racism, discrimination and prejudice are part of the many many things that make up racism.
-White people are dumb for acting like they will ever be affected by racism. Dumb Starbucks jokes or whatever will do no harm to their race. There is hardly ever prejudice or discrimination against white people. And there is not, nor will there ever be, anything institutional that will diminish their rights.
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Precisely
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Originally posted by Nii.
What I got from this was: -White people are racist. No big surprise.
-White people have never had any type of racism in the past, because they were the ones doing racist acts.
-Because white people have never had any type of racism in the past, they are privileged.
-Equality is the goal, but there are still some remnants of racism in which the privilege plays a significant role in.
-To abolish racism to a full extent, white people must accept their privilege and help PoC.
-Race will never go away so it should not be "ignored"; everyone's race and culture should be celebrated (Note, celebration is not appropriation. Each race should be admired individually by unanimous peoples, without being appropriated).
-The bad actions of a certain race's past (AKA WHITE PEOPLE) should take the blame and attempt to try and make up for it. While there is no way that these white actions could be made up for, acceptance of the blame and working to fix the wrongdoings of ancestors would be ideal.
-White privilege gives white people the advantage to try and help stop racism altogether, and in turn actually help PoC without ****ing up.
-Also I was reading a few pages back (I skipped to the last page after like 3) that this PowerPoint is trying to say prejudice and discrimination are not considered acts of racism, but I think the equations are trying to say that prejudice and discrimination are components of the overall thing that is racism. While not being the concrete definition of racism, discrimination and prejudice are part of the many many things that make up racism.
-White people are dumb for acting like they will ever be affected by racism. Dumb Starbucks jokes or whatever will do no harm to their race. There is hardly ever prejudice or discrimination against white people. And there is not, nor will there ever be, anything institutional that will diminish their rights.
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Exactly. What is so hard to understand?
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
that's all the result of poverty, the racism of the war on drugs, etc. which has disproportionately affected people of color and relates to the lack of opportunities for many people of color in those positions lol
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then why aren't black girls, who are growing up in these same environments, also being affected like this? Shouldn't the poverty, racism of the war on drugs, etc be affecting them too? Or do black girls all get birthed in middle income families
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
then why aren't black girls, who are growing up in these same environments, also being affected like this? Shouldn't the poverty, racism of the war on drugs, etc be affecting them too? Or do black girls all get birthed in middle income families
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They are, honey.
Do you think all Black girls grow up to become heads of companies because you read some statistics?
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