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Discussion: If Aaliyah were alive, would she have Ciara's career?
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
But BEY AND DC 4 claimed she was their idol/stanned/Li opened the door so she had some type of influence.
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Of course they did. They were obviously friends and had tremendous respect for one another but speaking objectively, the influence does not reflect in their own music.
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Of course they did. They were obviously friends and had tremendous respect for one another but speaking objectively, the influence does not reflect in their own music.
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Well influence doesn't only have to reflect in music, it can be work ethic, fashion, etc. But I guess.
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Aaliyah also helped curate the Romeo Must Die soundtrack and had DC3 put on there so let's not, they stayed supporting eachother.
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
Well influence doesn't only have to reflect in music, it can be work ethic, fashion, etc. But I guess.
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Girl you know I was clearly referring to influence in music.
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Originally posted by Djbrian
I find it comical that Bey stans use other artists peaks to justify their notion of Aaliyah not being big but when other use Adele, Britney, Xtina among others to down play Bey they try to use Beys consistency against those claims. What makes you think Aaliyah wouldn't consistently deliver platinum/multi platinum albums in the future when her star was only getting bigger each year passing.
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The fondamental difference here is that when Bey went solo, her sales were always on par with Xtina and Britney. DIL-In the zone-Dirty all sold about the same amount and it kept going like that until one or two came out on top. It's a rational outcome. You can not be selling significantly less than some singers at a giving period of time and for a long time and just magically turn out bigger or huge. It makes no sense. It's not about peaks, it's about how your sales compare to the others at a given time.
Sorry but it's completely illogical to say that she could have in any way outlast or overtook Brandy and Monica. It's simply illogical. They were out at the same time and she wasn't a newbie just entering the industry ( katy, Gaga, Ri).
Anyway it's sad she died so young, she had a sultry voice and Timbo gave her amazing prods but I just feel like some of her stans in general lack a sense of reality, no offence.
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Originally posted by TMTURKEY
Aaliyah was the blueprint for these girls, the sooner you realize that without Aaliyah there would be no DC,Brandy, or Monica.
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Brandy debuted in 1994 just like Aaliyah and Brandy from the jump had the bigger career so how would they be no Brandy without Aaliyah?
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I don't know, I'm not going to pretend I care.
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Originally posted by BnPac
The fondamental difference here is that when Bey went solo, her sales were always on par with Xtina and Britney. DIL-In the zone-Dirty all sold about the same amount and it kept going like that until one or two came out on top. It's a rational outcome. You can not be selling significantly less than some singers at a giving period of time and for a long time and just magically turn out bigger or huge. It makes no sense. It's not about peaks, it's about how your sales compare to the others at a given time.
Sorry but it's completely illogical to say that she could have in any way outlast or overtook Brandy and Monica. It's simply illogical. They were out at the same time and she wasn't a newbie just entering the industry ( katy, Gaga, Ri).
Anyway it's sad she died so young, she had a sultry voice and Timbo gave her amazing prods but I just feel like some of her stans in general lack a sense of reality, no offence.
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Let's cut the bs about "some of her stans in general lack a sense of reality", Rih's "mixtapes" weren't that hot, Janet's first albums that ppl don't like to talk about weren't that hot either but where did they end up ? So clearly an artist that didn't peak like her peers and kept improving like the acts mentioned earlier, it's a safe assumption that she COULD'VE been fine.
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Originally posted by Deemy
Brandy debuted in 1994 just like Aaliyah and Brandy from the jump had the bigger career so how would they be no Brandy without Aaliyah?
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Aaliyah debuted before her.
BRANDY AND MONICA both have said with their own mouths Li OPENED THE DOOR.
CLEARLY, the R.Kelly scandal put a major speed bump in Li's career and her broke/flop as management weren't any better.
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
Let's cut the bs about "some of her stans in general lack a sense of reality", Rih's "mixtapes" weren't that hot, Janet's first albums that ppl don't like to talk about weren't that hot either but where did they end up ? So clearly an artist that didn't peak like her peers and kept improving like the acts mentioned earlier, it's a safe assumption that she COULD'VE been fine.
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I thought I mentioned the newbie factor in my post. And I also thought I mentioned my post wasn't related to peaks. Lol whatever.
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Originally posted by Archetype
I don't know, I'm not going to pretend I care.
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Doesn't care but commented....
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Originally posted by BnPac
I thought I mentioned the newbie factor in my post. And I also thought I mentioned my post wasn't related to peaks. Lol whatever.
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Clearly, I brought up the peaks because I chose to and its RELEVANT to the topic in general but "Lol whatever."
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
Doesn't care but commented....
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I really don't care about her music. I do care, however, about the sick and disgusting people who continue to milk the hell out of her posthumously, including her own family.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
Clearly, I brought up the peaks because I chose to and its RELEVANT to the topic in general but "Lol whatever."
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You didn't bring it up, another member did and it was adressed in my post that you quoted while using it as a novelty/conter-argument.
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Originally posted by TMTURKEY
Aaliyah was the blueprint for these girls, the sooner you realize that without Aaliyah there would be no DC,Brandy, or Monica.
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Oh, please. If anything, TLC was the actual blueprint for all those acts you just mentioned. Actually, they were the blueprint for the 90s period.
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Originally posted by BnPac
You didn't bring it up, another member did and it was adressed in my post that you quoted while using it as a novelty/conter-argument.
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His/her examples are good. Rihanna wasn't selling like Ciara when they came out but with time and consistency she surpassed her the same goes for Janet and some of her peers excluding Madonna. Prince is another 1 whose 1st few albums didn't sell much compared to his peers but once he found his stride he became bigger than the majority if them.
You also neglected to mention or comment on how her popularity surpassed both Brandy and Monica in the 00s. Also you forgot to mention how her sales are right on par with Brandy and how she outsold Monica despite them being more popular.
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Originally posted by Djbrian
I find it comical that Bey stans use other artists peaks to justify their notion of Aaliyah not being big but when other use Adele, Britney, Xtina among others to down play Bey they try to use Beys consistency against those claims. What makes you think Aaliyah wouldn't consistently deliver platinum/multi platinum albums in the future when her star was only getting bigger each year passing.
Monica and Brandy were more popular than her but in no way does that mean she was unsuccessful especially considering the fact that she is only 100k behind Brandy and they both are way ahead of Monica in album sales. Mind you Aaliyahs music wasn't conventional R&B or Pop like most of her peers which is why her albums and singles were slow burners. Anybody who was old enough back then could see that the tide in popularity shifted and Aaliyah was more popular than both Monica and Brandy once 2000 came along.
I think people forget she passed a month and some change after her last album was released. It did well for the time it was out and considering that her team was amping up the promo because they only had until the end of the year before she had to finish filming Queen and both Matrix films, once she came back from the video shoot she had the VMAs( this was the reason she never performed WNAR) and rumor has it the View as well..it would have made it to multi platinum like her past albums before self titled. Also the direction her music was going would have gained her more fans.
Ultimately the reason why she was less popular the Brandy and Monica in 90s was the reason why she would have outlasted them commercially, her not being a conventional R&B girl played to her favor in the 00's and hurt the others.
And as far as Bey goes she was able to perform and has had/have a successful career in movies, endorsements and most importantly her work ethic is crazy, all of those things are what have carried Bey throughout the years. Aaliyah was already established in films, was known as a good performer, had the fashion industry buzzing, and had that same work ethic( anyone that knows her schedule her last few years can attest to that).
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clock them
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She could have Brandy or Monica career now
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Originally posted by Djbrian
His/her examples are good. Rihanna wasn't selling like Ciara when they came out but with time and consistency she surpassed her the same goes for Janet and some of her peers excluding Madonna. Prince is another 1 whose 1st few albums didn't sell much compared to his peers but once he found his stride he became bigger than the majority if them.
You also neglected to mention or comment on how her popularity surpassed both Brandy and Monica in the 00s. Also you forgot to mention how her sales are right on par with Brandy and how she outsold Monica despite them being more popular.
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Tea.
But Aaliyah haters claim we lack a sense of reality
Many acts were CUTE/FLOP/STEADY sellers before making it BIG but of that could never happen to Aaliyah11!!!1.
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Aaliyah is the Blueprint when it comes to contemporary R&B.
Some girls would NOT be as big as they are now,
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