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Fan Base: Nicole Scherzinger
Member Since: 7/16/2010
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Originally posted by Poisonous
Wow. I guess streaming counts way more..  |
Streaming counts really more. That is why it's sad Nicole and her team didn't invested in big collabo's to keep her on the mind of people and potentially the streaming audience. She easily can get #1 on iTunes with promo, but aslong as the streaming audience wouldn't support her, she will lose against viral hits and crowdpleasers.
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Originally posted by J-esper
Streaming counts really more. That is why it's sad Nicole and her team didn't invested in big collabo's to keep her on the mind of people and potentially the streaming audience. She easily can get #1 on iTunes with promo, but aslong as the streaming audience wouldn't support her, she will lose against viral hits and crowdpleasers.
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I agree.. One thing I admire about Nicole and which is her downfall is lack of features... Many artists would hop on relevant features to get hits and Nicole always hits it solo..
Depending on which label she's on, I think they should push for a feature this time around.
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Member Since: 3/5/2014
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She was at the Lip Sync Battle studio yesterday... 
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Originally posted by iamluisfelipe
She was at the Lip Sync Battle studio yesterday... |
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 she really can't catch a break
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Originally posted by J-esper
she really can't catch a break |
nope 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I really despise the fact that streaming is now the primary factor for charting, it's so ridiculous. There are people like myself who don't stream music, we download it. I listen to music everyday from songs I downloaded but of course that won't count on the charts since I'm not streaming it. It's so stupid.
I can buy a song then play it like 1000 times but of course that won't matter since apparently streaming is more important now. It's so stupid. I like to purchase CD, I like to download music. I f***king hate streaming.
Just knowing that some 6 years old streaming music 24/7 contributes more to the music charts than me spending my money on a CD purchase is ridiculous.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Im waiting for her comeback, im so fu**** thirsty! Give me some new Nicole!
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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About streaming music in the UK charts.
Why Is The UK Singles Chart So Stagnant? Radio 1's Head Of Music: “The Playing Field Is Not Level”
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Chris Price: “We’ve moved away from measuring this one-off purchase behaviour, that’s essentially why this has happened. We’ve moved away from somebody walking into HMV and being a physical single, or downloading a 99p download from iTunes, and we’re moving much more towards measuring engagement over time. It’s less like somebody walking into a shop and making a purchase, and more like somebody sitting at home in their bedroom and listening to something several times over.”
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Nicole fans we have to stream Nicole's music 24/7 in our bedrooms it's the only way now. Don't even bother buying it. Streaming now counts around 45% (or more) of the chart.
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She will need radio support and the single being added to Spotify playlists. Without that, she's over. Without that, she wont even make it top40. Bookmark me
James was number 2 on iTunes the whole week and not that strong on spotify and debuted at #25. I really don't see a new single doing so well on iTunes without pre-order...
She will have to release a real banger and promote it like cray-cray to make it big.
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Originally posted by iamluisfelipe
She will need radio support and the single being added to Spotify playlists. Without that, she's over. Without that, she wont even make it top40. Bookmark me
James was number 2 on iTunes the whole week and not that strong on spotify and debuted at #25. I really don't see a new single doing so well on iTunes without pre-order...
She will have to release a real banger and promote it like cray-cray to make it big.
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What I don't get is why the music industry is supporting streaming. Shouldn't they be supporting music purchases instead? Streaming is great to check out an album before purchasing it, but we should be putting more value on purchases than how many times a song is played on someone's bedroom.
The UK is ahead in the world for using streaming as the primary charting measurement. The USA still has radio play and sales to balance out streaming, but eventually it will succumb to streaming. The only country in the entire world that uses purely sales for charting now is Japan (they don't include airplay or streaming, only physical and digital sales).
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Originally posted by StarlightShimmers
What I don't get is why the music industry is supporting streaming. Shouldn't they be supporting music purchases instead? Streaming is great to check out an album before purchasing it, but we should be putting more value on purchases than how many times a song is played on someone's bedroom.
The UK is ahead in the world for using streaming as the primary charting measurement. The USA still has radio play and sales to balance out streaming, but eventually it will succumb to streaming. The only country in the entire world that uses purely sales for charting now is Japan (they don't include airplay or streaming, only physical and digital sales).
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Well, the industry is changing, right? Streaming is a great platform to discover new artists and to find music easily. We can't deny Spotify is also more democratic when it comes to its users, once you don't have to pay to use it (even tho your streams still count for charts and to make money for that artist).
The thing is: the charts were always about what is popular now. And streaming, like it or not, shows how popular a song is. For me, it's a fair system. And the problem, for me, its that streaming has more weight over sales now. I mean, when streams were added to the charts, back in 2014, Spotify wasnt that big. So they really need to re-think that math. Cause right now, even if you're the biggest selling single of the week, you can even debut out of top10. Which isn't fair, cause if you're selling that much, your song IS popular.
But if they add youtube and radio to the charts, things can go even messier, since viral videos/songs on youtube can make it to the chart. And we all know the ageism behind the radio, so...
In the end of the day, it's not getting any easier for Nicole. Or for any other artist from 00's.
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Originally posted by iamluisfelipe
Well, the industry is changing, right? Streaming is a great platform to discover new artists and to find music easily. We can't deny Spotify is also more democratic when it comes to its users, once you don't have to pay to use it (even tho your streams still count for charts and to make money for that artist).
The thing is: the charts were always about what is popular now. And streaming, like it or not, shows how popular a song is. For me, it's a fair system. And the problem, for me, its that streaming has more weight over sales now. I mean, when streams were added to the charts, back in 2014, Spotify wasnt that big. So they really need to re-think that math. Cause right now, even if you're the biggest selling single of the week, you can even debut out of top10. Which isn't fair, cause if you're selling that much, your song IS popular.
But if they add youtube and radio to the charts, things can go even messier, since viral videos/songs on youtube can make it to the chart. And we all know the ageism behind the radio, so...
In the end of the day, it's not getting any easier for Nicole. Or for any other artist from 00's.
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The problem is that the industry doesn't have to change. I don't consider Spotify as democratic at all since you don't have ownership over the music and you're paying a fee to listen to music that you don't own, that is not democratic, that is communism.
However, I do agree that overall streaming is a good indicator of knowing what's popular. The problem is that, again, not everyone streams. There are people like myself who don't stream.
As a compromise, it should be weighted evenly between streaming and music sales, 50/50. But right now streaming counts more than sales and that is absolutely ridiculous. Radio and YouTube shouldn't even be counted, first of all radio stations have a monopoly on what songs they'll play and second using YouTube views for charting is just really wrong since some songs don't have music videos, and some people may like a song but not the music video.
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Originally posted by StarlightShimmers
The problem is that the industry doesn't have to change. I don't consider Spotify as democratic at all since you don't have ownership over the music and you're paying a fee to listen to music that you don't own, that is not democratic, that is communism.
However, I do agree that overall streaming is a good indicator of knowing what's popular. The problem is that, again, not everyone streams. There are people like myself who don't stream.
As a compromise, it should be weighted evenly between streaming and music sales, 50/50. But right now streaming counts more than sales and that is absolutely ridiculous. Radio and YouTube shouldn't even be counted, first of all radio stations have a monopoly on what songs they'll play and second using YouTube views for charting is just really wrong since some songs don't have music videos, and some people may like a song but not the music video.
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Communism? What? You know free-users have to listen ads, right? In the end, it doesnt matter if you're paying the premium account or using the free one, cause the artists are being paid in the SAME way (not more, not less).
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Streaming for me is very tricky, I don't use it myself, since I HATE the artist exclusive environment there is now with especially Apple Music and TIDAL having exclusives and even though I sometimes spend 200 euro's on music in a month for physical music, I am not gonna spend money on several subscriptions 
My problem mainly with streaming is that it seems there is no limit. I know a song has to be streamed a lot to be counted equal to a sale, but the thing is that a song gets bought, people basically have some kind of thinking process about it before they pre-order or buy a song and most people buy a song once.
Streaming works in a different way. People play playlists in the gym, while running etc. which consist mainly of a lot of these upcoming hits and every stream counts basically, so if you repeat a song the whole day and 1000 people would do that, you get a lot of streams for a particular song, without knowing if someone is actually listening.
I am still a bit shocked how fast the chart systems wanted to include streaming into a chartssystem formely based on purely sales because sales ≠ streaming. And different countries still measure them differently, so I am still a bit confused why they rushed this without a good system.
If Nicole wants a succesful single, her music should come in the coming weeks. She will need time for people to buy and stream her songs and maybe radio to add her if they would slowly embrace her. If she would just release it, promote it on XFactor and be done with it, she might not even reach the top 40 tbh. The charts are far more about longtivity and investing in the long run now. If she and her label are gonna invest in this, they need to find someone to attach to the song that is popular through streaming already to add to her chances.
It will be very tricky for her in the long run
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Even though it's not that commercial, the vibe/sound that Jahmene's new album has is what I would love nicole to explore in the future at some point.
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Originally posted by J-esper
Even though it's not that commercial, the vibe/sound that Jahmene's new album has is what I would love nicole to explore in the future at some point.
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I only listened to the first track, "Is this the time" and I think it's pretty good. It'd suit Nicole well (what doesnt, actually? haha).
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Originally posted by iamluisfelipe
Communism? What? You know free-users have to listen ads, right? In the end, it doesnt matter if you're paying the premium account or using the free one, cause the artists are being paid in the SAME way (not more, not less).
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Well that means streaming sucks. Anyway, like I said, I think streaming is a nice way to listen to a song or album before buying it, but it shouldn't be used as a chart measurement in my opinion.
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Member Since: 12/13/2011
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I think once the new era rolls out, we should do a hashtag on twitter for Nicole to put Pretty and OMS as bonus tracks... Just a thought. 
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Member Since: 3/5/2014
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Originally posted by Poisonous
I think once the new era rolls out, we should do a hashtag on twitter for Nicole to put Pretty and OMS as bonus tracks... Just a thought. |
Does she have the rights over them? I know she was trying to get the rights, but since the mixtape is now dead...
And tbh she will come with that old story: "those songs dont represent me anymore or who I am" blah blah blah
But we should do it anyway 
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