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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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"It's rigged" more like you're just a ****ing idiot
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Originally posted by Mariah4life
Clinton is favored among women by 23 points (57-34 percent), blacks by 83 (87-4 percent), Hispanics by 48 (68-20 percent), and voters under 30 by 18 (49-31 percent).
Trump is the choice among whites by 10 points (49-39 percent), men by 5 (45-40 percent), white evangelical Christians by 50 (69-19 percent), and whites without a college degree by 16 (52-36 percent).
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Trump's demos are hilarious and tragic at the same time. 
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Originally posted by Swine
'Despite public polling showing Romney behind Obama in the swing states of Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, and New Hampshire, tied with Obama in Virginia, and just barely ahead of Obama in Florida, the Romney campaign said they were genuinely surprised by the loss, having believed that public polling was oversampling Democrats. The Romney campaign had already set up a transition website, and had scheduled and purchased a fireworks display to celebrate in case he won the election.
On November 30, 2012, it was revealed that shortly before the election, internal polling done by the Romney campaign had shown Romney ahead in Colorado and New Hampshire, tied in Iowa, and within a few points of Obama in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, and Ohio. In addition, the Romney campaign had assumed that they would win Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia. The polls had made Romney and his campaign team so confident of their victory that Romney did not write a concession speech until Obama's victory was announced.'
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Thank you for this throwback. I'd forgotten about R-Money's overconfidence. 
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I'm ready for all the movies having female presidents. Some already have this year alone. |
None will be as iconic as Selina Meyer. 
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Have there even been any concessions speeches this year at all? I feel like nobody has properly conceded.  |
I don't think you really have to concede during primaries. You just... "Suspend your campaign."
I think that Bernie more or less made a concession speech. I never really followed the GOP contenders, but I'm assuming that they didn't because, unlike Bernie, they're not willing to support the person that beat them.
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Go ahead. Hillary will probably have him poisoned by a spy in his administration anyways.
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Hillary is ruthless indeed when it comes to Putin. Read: http://www.politico.eu/article/why-putin-hates-hillary/
Maybe it will scare the Russians. I expect no more meddling from them anyways. They know Trump will lose, and more leaks won't change that. They could use it against her to at least hurt her legitimacy somewhat as a punishment for when Hillary does something they dislike.
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Trump can and will say whatever he wants. I actually can't imagine Trump giving a concession speech  |
I was trying to picture his concession speech the other day and couldn't see him doing one either  at least not one with class and dignity.
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Clinton's lead OMG What happened? 
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Originally posted by Retro
While I don't think there's any way for the Libertarians to even get 15% in the final vote or most polls, and while I also think a good first term would basically ensure a second for Hillary if she chooses to seek it, I would be more than content with the GOP being deleted and replaced by the Libertarian party.
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I'm telling you...even if Hillary has a good first term that doesn't mean she is a shoe in to get reelected...for all intensive purposes George HW Bush had a good first term, but still lost cause the democratic nominee "Bill Clinton" was more charismatic, and ran a better campaign.
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Originally posted by Sirnight
The GOP is indeed bad, but I can't personally see how the Libertarians would be any good either. The US is plagued with inequalities and they are not going to get resolved if the government just "stays out of it".
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The US government has been trying to fix inequalities since 1860...government can't fix those issues. They can put band aid's on the problem, but they can't really fix it...only time can do that.
If Rand Paul can't gain traction as a quasi-Libertarian, then a full on Libertarian has no chance. They have to get normal looking, telegenic candidates...ie the opposite of Gary Johnson.
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Oh my god when did the 538 now cast jump to 88.6% odds for Clinton
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If Trump continues to burn bridges, Clinton could have ha 1984.
Reagan won all states but Minnesota and DC in the '84 election.
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Originally posted by Mike91
I just wanna know, if Clinton wins in a landslide (lbr Trump will feel the wrath of white moderate women voters this November), can Trump still claim it was rigged?
It's why us Bernard stans can't claim the primary was rigged since he lost by a huge amount.
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He lost because it was rigged lmao. Like the corruption has been exposed People (Hillary supporters) are just too proud to admit they're being taken advantage of and it'll keep getting worse until things really go in the shitter and everyone can get off their high horse.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Where is the proof of voter fraud that caused him to lose tho? Bc staffers at the DNC disliking him doesn't quite cut it.
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Originally posted by hairofglory
He lost because it was rigged lmao. Like the corruption has been exposed People (Hillary supporters) are just too proud to admit they're being taken advantage of and it'll keep getting worse until things really go in the shitter and everyone can get off their high horse.
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Oh my god. He lost by 3 million votes. They didn't rig anything. Facts.
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Originally posted by Icarus
Oh my god. He lost by 3 million votes. They didn't rig anything. Facts.
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I ain't talking about votes, I'm talking about the massive, unfair, corrupt advantage she had in campaign financing, the media, and connections. You have people on the air whose jobs depend on them supporting Hillary and you think that somehow will lend itself to a fair election? Her entire campaign has been about why the American people owe this to her...for her years of "experience" or whatever you'd like to call the global mess she's contributed to. She's been propped up beyond belief by some of the wealthiest people in the world to push the agenda that best serves them.
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Originally posted by hairofglory
I ain't talking about votes, I'm talking about the massive, unfair, corrupt advantage she had in campaign financing, the media, and connections. You have people on the air whose jobs depend on them supporting Hillary and you think that somehow will lend itself to a fair election? Her entire campaign has been about why the American people owe this to her...for her years of "experience" or whatever you'd like to call the global mess she's contributed to. She's been propped up beyond belief by some of the wealthiest people in the world to push the agenda that best serves them.
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She's been in the spotlight for decades, of course her campaign will get a lot of media coverage. None of that accounts for the MILLIONS of votes she received over Bernie. You can't claim rigging when the raw numbers prove otherwise. Give it up
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Originally posted by TaggedGalaxy
She's been in the spotlight for decades, of course her campaign will get a lot of media coverage. None of that accounts for the MILLIONS of votes she received over Bernie. You can't claim rigging when the raw numbers prove otherwise. Give it up
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The numbers don't prove **** The leaked emails on the other hand prove a hefty amount. Your choice to not be concerned about them.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/anything-...000000585.html
Donald Trump's incendiary statements, and GOP reaction to them
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“Sure, I got deferments. But — excuse me, Chuck, let me finish. Would you really want a president who was dumb enough to let himself get drafted? I mean, it wasn’t hard to get out of it, believe me. My doctor said I had a bump on my heel or something, I don’t know. I don’t even think he was a doctor, frankly. The government is just very, very stupid, OK? Which is why only I can fix it.” —“Meet the Press,” Aug. 28
House Speaker Paul Ryan: “Let me just be very clear about one thing, which is that we don’t think it’s dumb to wear the uniform of the United States armed forces. But the real issue here is that no one wants to be in a situation where we have to have a draft, period, and we believe that’s much more likely to happen if Hillary Clinton is elected president. Also, we urge all Americans to have their feet checked regularly by an actual doctor.”
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“I know religion better than the pope, believe me! And Romans wouldn’t have crucified anybody on my watch! Weak! Sad!” —Twitter war with Pope Francis, Sept. 5
Former Gov. Mike Huckabee: “Of course Donald didn’t mean the Savior was weak. His choice of words was unfortunate. I think the point Donald was trying to make is that religion has been under attack from liberal, activist judges from the beginning of time, really. You can draw a direct line from Pontius Pilate to Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I believe Donald will protect our religious liberties, which is why I support him.”
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“Look, all I’m saying, Anderson, is that this hajj, this pilgrimage, is happening right now, and we have not seen the president in public for a couple of days. Do I think Barack Obama is in Mecca running around in circles and planning a terrorist attack right now? I’m not saying I know that for a fact. But we have satellites. It’s something we should look at.” —CNN interview with Anderson Cooper, Sept. 9
Sen. Marco Rubio: “Every election is a choice, OK? Would I choose Donald Trump over myself? No, I obviously would not. Would I choose Trump over, say, John Hinckley? Yes, I would. Would I choose Trump in a three-way race with John Hinckley and Charles Manson? That’s a tougher one. Maybe I go with Manson. It depends on what the parole board says. But anyway, this election is a choice between Trump and Hillary Clinton, and I firmly believe endorsing Trump is critical to my future. So fine, if he insists Obama is a Muslim, let’s just go with that.”
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“You want to see a wall that kept a lot of people safe? Go to Berlin! You see all the Muslims streaming in now? You think Putin doesn’t regret tearing down the wall? What kind of idiot gave the Russians that advice? I have German friends calling me up and begging me, ‘Donald, Donald, please, when you get done with your wall, come over here and rebuild ours!’ It’s sad, frankly.” —Speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Sept. 30
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus: “Who’s to say that if Ronald Reagan were alive today, he wouldn’t be the first one to demand the Russians ‘rebuild that wall’? I can’t know that. You can’t know that. The only person who would really know is Reagan, and he’s dead. So Donald Trump is the closest thing to Reagan that we have, really, and I continue to believe that he is our party’s nominee.”
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“No, I did not call you the devil. What I said — excuse me, let me finish, Hillary — what I said is that Bernie made a deal with the devil, which in this case was you. Frankly, you can’t be the devil, because the devil is great, OK? The devil is in charge of all the suffering in hell, and that’s a position of serious leadership. That takes a winner. You might be some kind of minor demon or something.” —Second presidential debate, Oct. 9
House Speaker Paul Ryan: “Yeah, I saw it. No, the devil is not great. The devil is not a winner. What do you want me to say? I marched out there and I endorsed him, OK? There’s no backsies. I put the sticker on my car already. It’s not one of those magnet deals. It’s really on there. I’d have to repaint the entire bumper. This thing is happening, OK?”
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“Happy holidays to my Jewish friends! If only the Book of Life sold as many copies as ‘Art of the Deal’! No. 1 bestseller! Keep trying!” —Yom Kippur tweet, Oct. 11
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: “Naturally I reject any comparison of Mr. Trump’s work with God’s own. I do appreciate that he doesn’t always bow to this rampant political correctness, but I also think there has to be a line, although I defend his right to say those things. So as I’ve said all along, I respect, renounce, support and disagree with Mr. Trump. That’s as clear as I can be.”
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“Frankly, I never wanted the job anyway. Why would I say all this stuff if I wanted to be president? C’mon! This was so great for my family, it’s just amazing. Tiffany’s getting her own show. Barron’s YouTube channel is through the roof! He’s caught so many Pokémons traveling around, you wouldn’t believe. Just an amazing experience.” —Election eve news conference, Nov. 7
House Speaker Paul Ryan: “Oh, for the love of Christ! Seriously? This is why I spent the last six months not talking about poverty and tax reform? And the sticker is on there, man! I tried Goo Gone, the Magic Eraser, all of it! So yeah, I’m not happy. And yeah, I endorse him. What choice do you think I have now?”
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The Rubio comment.
Huckabee...
I bet Paul Ryan is so exasperated by Trump...it was an easy election to win against a weak, untrustworthy democratic candidate; and Trump is flushing this election down the toilet.
I still believe that if the GOP were to dump Trump now, they'd still have a chance to win the election... Ryan/Rubio could beat Clinton/Kaine, honestly.
...but they won't because they would be accused of circumnavigating the voters will, unless Trump says/does something so heinous, and unforgivable that they have no other choice.
...I guess ill wait for Kasich/Haley 2020, i guess.
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Originally posted by hairofglory
I ain't talking about votes, I'm talking about the massive, unfair, corrupt advantage she had in campaign financing, the media, and connections. You have people on the air whose jobs depend on them supporting Hillary and you think that somehow will lend itself to a fair election? Her entire campaign has been about why the American people owe this to her...for her years of "experience" or whatever you'd like to call the global mess she's contributed to. She's been propped up beyond belief by some of the wealthiest people in the world to push the agenda that best serves them.
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No candidate got more negative media coverage this election than Hillary. The media bias argument is cute but very little evidence to suggest it (like most Reddit conspiracies)
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The bolded part of your argument doesn't make sense, you could apply this to any candidate I could say Bernie's campaign was about why the American people owed it to him to make him Pres, for his years fighting for progressive issues in the Senate.
There's no evidence that wealthy people donating to Hillary will have any affect on her policies. (Meanwhile Bernie voted against the Brady Bill five times after his campaign was funded by the NRA. I'm sure it was a coincidence though)
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The numbers don't prove **** The leaked emails on the other hand prove a hefty amount. Your choice to not be concerned about them. |
 what are you even talking about? The numbers don't prove ****? We live in a democracy sis where the people vote for elected officials. She received over 3 million more votes. It's quite a simple concept really.
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Throwback Thursday, remember when the Trump campaign unveiled this plan on May 29th?
Adding insult to injury with PA/NH, Hillary's up by 10 points in Michigan and why were they going to waste their time with California?
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New York's not going to flip either and Kaine possibly snatching Virginia away from him
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by hairofglory
He lost because it was rigged lmao. Like the corruption has been exposed People (Hillary supporters) are just too proud to admit they're being taken advantage of and it'll keep getting worse until things really go in the shitter and everyone can get off their high horse. |
No, he like, literally lost because he had less voters. That's how you lose. Nobody cares about some staffers trying to spin a story in this state or that state. Nobody cares that Debbie hated him and was unfair. Those things are not outright rigging and don't stop his Twitter/Tumblr armies from voting, and if he ever had more support than Hillary those people didn't vote and that's that.
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Originally posted by hairofglory
I ain't talking about votes, I'm talking about the massive, unfair, corrupt advantage she had in campaign financing, the media, and connections. You have people on the air whose jobs depend on them supporting Hillary and you think that somehow will lend itself to a fair election? Her entire campaign has been about why the American people owe this to her...for her years of "experience" or whatever you'd like to call the global mess she's contributed to. She's been propped up beyond belief by some of the wealthiest people in the world to push the agenda that best serves them.
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You couldn't name a single person whose job "depends on them supporting Hillary." That isn't a thing. That's massively illegal besides campaign surrogates (which every candidate has) and an above post has already demonstrated quite well that almost all coverage of Hillary was negative. That doesn't make sense. Her campaign has indeed looked at her years of experience, yes. If you want to blame the entire state of the world on one woman that you don't believe really has any power? That's on you, babe.
Your last line is laughable btw considering the wealthy stand to gain only from Trump's vaguely conservative policies and not the financial platform Hillary has laid out
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Originally posted by hairofglory
The numbers don't prove **** The leaked emails on the other hand prove a hefty amount. Your choice to not be concerned about them.
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MESS in my state, the Riverside County GOP posted this
It was deleted, but the county GOP Chairman was exposed when he gave two different responses to it:
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Riverside County GOP Chairman Scott Mann said he was “horrified” by the tweet, and promised to take action against the person responsible.
“I was made aware of derogatory tweet this afternoon toward Secretary Clinton when the Press-Enterprise called me for comment. I was horrified and had the tweet taken down immediately,” Mann said in an email to the Times on Wednesday afternoon. “While some may think it was political satire, it clearly has no place in American political dialogue. As chairman of the Republican Party of Riverside County, I apologize to everyone and anyone who was offended by it.”
According to the Press-Enterprise, Mann’s response earlier in the day was much different. The paper reported that in an email he stated: “That meme is nothing more than political satire. It simply expresses how Ms. Clinton seemingly has gotten away with every scandal and political flip-flop in her public life — from classified email and Benghazi to her changing positions on healthcare, TPP, NAFTA, gay marriage, etc.”
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The self-expose'
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