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Fan Base: Archived: Stand Your Ground (#16)
Member Since: 8/27/2011
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Originally posted by iHype.
Award Show boosts are done.
Beyonce performed the whole self-titled at VMA's, and it sold like 10K more.  Her Superbowl boosts were like 5K.
GRAMMYs boosts are like barely 50K now. (Adele being the anomaly because 21 was already selling ungodly amounts)
And ofcourse AMAs, BET Awards, etc aren't shifting albums.
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This is so sad but true.  No wonder my fave's careers are over.
When you think about it, both Gaga and Madonna owe their success to slaying big slot performances, the VMAs and in Gaga's case the Grammys.
Now the GP doesn't care about performance ability and just wants gimmicks and fads they're no longer interested in talent and award show performances are paid more dust than a Rihanna album in stores.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by iHype.
Billboard includes all streams. Imo I think counting all streams is fine, because to me it just seems weird to say "an album was streamed 50 million times, but only 40 million count. We are going to pretend the other 10 million didn't happen". Like, I don't get the whole "remove millions of actual listens". I get that some albums getting most streams from 1-2 hits is annoying though. |
It depends on how you see an album in today's market. If you just consider album as only a collection of individual tracks, then your view of the situation holds. But if you see an album as a set, or a collection of songs, then it becomes difficult to compare the popularity an album with many tracks to one with fewer tracks as things stand. An album with many tracks will generate more streams and be categorized as more popular even though on average they might not be as popular as an album with fewer tracks.
As long as you can buy albums physically, I think the latter definition of an album should prevail. 1 purchase of Views counts for the same as 1 purchase of ANTI, for example, even though Views has 7 more tracks.
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I kind of agree that not all tracks should be included in streaming numbers.
It should be like the average of all the tracks that's used in SPS. That makes more sense.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Originally posted by Artemisia
This seems easy to manipulate... Drake and Kanye's albums have 20 tracks each  . |
I think it'd only be a problem and need a rule if it was an album that had like 40 songs that were 1 minute each (like those instrumental albums). An album that has way too many tracks and they're not even normal length.
Even if Drake has 20 tracks, people still have to sit through 20 full tracks for it to count as 20 streams lol. There's only 2 songs on the album below 3 mins, one being an interlude. It's not like each song is 1 minute and it's actually much shorter than a real album.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
It depends on how you see an album in today's market. If you just consider album as only a collection of individual tracks, then your view of the situation holds. But if you see an album as a set, or a collection of songs, then it becomes difficult to compare the popularity an album with many tracks to one with fewer tracks as things stand. Albums with more tracks will generate more streams and be categorized as more popular even though on average they might not be as popular as an album with fewer tracks.
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I think Billboard sees it more as measuring albums as "projects". Hence them including TEA, and the whole point of digital sales is just to buy singles. Nobody is actually buying 10 different songs from an album. Billboard 200 basically just measures eras as a whole now, and not the album performance it's self. When an album gets a hit it rises on the chart, even if it's sales are falling.
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Considering 2016 has had major releases from huge players like Rihanna, Beyoncé, Meghan, Drake, Ariana, Kanye, etc. the pop industry seems so DIRE and BORING so far. The world needs you, Godga!
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Yeah, you're right. At the end of the day, revenue is what the TEA and SEA formulas are based on, so running the chart with the view of albums as projects made to sell and stream songs makes sense.
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As interesting as it is to measure an album in a more era-concentrated way, it seems... improper.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by HonourableVomit
This is so sad but true. No wonder my fave's careers are over.
When you think about it, both Gaga and Madonna owe their success to slaying big slot performances, the VMAs and in Gaga's case the Grammys.
Now the GP doesn't care about performance ability and just wants gimmicks and fads they're no longer interested in talent and award show performances are paid more dust than a Rihanna album in stores. |
"in gagas case"
Bitch please. Madeads Grammy performance with gorillaz is bigger and better than most
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Yeah, you're right. At the end of the day, revenue is what the TEA and SEA formulas are based on, so running the chart with the view of albums as projects made to sell and stream songs makes sense.
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Originally posted by collin
As interesting as it is to measure an album in a more era-concentrated way, it seems... improper.
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It's kinda like how other industries measure gross.
An album is just as successful as a "project" doing 500K sales 300K in streams as an album doing 700K sales and 100K in streams to Billboard I guess.
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When did Madonna perform with Gorillaz? 
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Originally posted by collin
When did Madonna perform with Gorillaz? |
Grammy's 2006. Mariah outshone ha that night
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Originally posted by collin
When did Madonna perform with Gorillaz? |
Hung up 2006
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Grammy's 2006. Mariah outshone ha that night
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Mariah performed that night?
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I somehow doubt Loseriah could outdo a Madonna/Gorillaz performance.
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Legendriah won 3 GRAMMYs that night + her performance got a standing ovation. The ending to an era that had the biggest song and album of the year, and was one of the greatest comebacks.
Ugh, what a legend.
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Member Since: 7/24/2010
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Sex wiTH Me So amsyyzZiNngg!
Whew!
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SPS represents the album's popularity more, actualy,
- People would not willingly pay $1.29 for each and every one of the album tracks if they were available as singles
- People don't run in a heartbeat to buy or listen to album tracks as as they do to buy and listen to singles they heard on the radio/saw on YouTube/etc.
- 1500 streams equal 1 album, when in fact, no one will play the average song on the album they buy for 150 times unless it's like the best album of al time or something.
- By far more musical exposure.
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Originally posted by NX127
SPS represents the album's popularity more, actualy,
- People would not willingly pay $1.29 for each and every one of the album tracks if they were available as singles
- People don't run in a heartbeat to buy or listen to album tracks as as they do to buy and listen to singles they heard on the radio/saw on YouTube/etc.
- 1500 streams equal 1 album, when in fact, no one will play the average song on the album they buy for 150 times unless it's like the best album of al time or something.
- By far more musical exposure.
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poor gags reaper
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Member Since: 3/16/2012
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Pop is literally so boring now.
We need knee, Ga and the divorcee back. 
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Member Since: 4/28/2011
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and what are they going to do?
no-one (outside of their cults) gives a single **** about them. they'll tank w/ immediate effect.
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