[Whore of Babylon]

Originally posted by Mariano

Sis... that's exactly the point. You are a viewer. You can only wonder what will happen next. That's the point

It's like a puzzle. You are going to need the other 12 parts, otherwise you have only 1/13th of it - that's NOTHING.

This is all well and true, however, this is the first premiere in the history of the show that doesn't end with a strong enough cliffhanger to keep you guessing. It just kind of threw a bunch of random plot points at you. And knowing Ryan Murphy's history, he probably isn't that sure what he'll do by the end of the season himself.

[Mariano]

Originally posted by Tanguy

Again, you need to chill with your comment. You're always acting like you know better than everyone else. Critics literally think the same as Saintlor (& me), which makes the point VALID. It's not because you disagree that we're wrong.

But you can't have a plot in 1/13th of a story.

Critics are idiots, let's not. They think FS is the best season I mean And again they are not professionals either.

I am sorry, I Know I always do that But really tho, they showed us that Gaga has a plan (she already knew about Will Drake etc.) and we know that some killings are happening (Wes Bentley) and we have different story arcs.

We have the whole Hotel and everything that is happening there, we don't know what that is yet - but that's clearly a beginning of a plot. We have Wes and his family. We don't know who Gaga is yet etc.

That's the point of it

And if you think that "Who gets the iron throne" is called a plot, then bye... It's a PREMISE not a plot. Y'all are uneducated and that's fine, so I will just leave you arguing with the wrong termins. You don't know GoT's full plot yet, because the plot is the whole story

[Lose My Breath]

Originally posted by Tanguy

If you were to ask me what's the plot of the season, I wouldn't be able to tell you, and that's what bothering me.

"What's the show about": Murders in a hotel.
"Where is it going": I don't really know.

Idk, that's also why critics gave the show mixed review. It felt like it didn't go anywhere

That's not true, you would know that

The detective is investigating murders revolving around the 10 commandments, he feels like he's being targeted so he moves into the hotel to protect his family. It just so happens that the hotel he is moving to is where is kidnapped child is being held. Whether he's dead or alive, I don't know, but his dad seems drawn to him.

The hotel is home to a group of "people"? that are murdering those who check-in, obviously there is something supernatural as Kathy Bates lost her son to a drug overdose as well pushing the other woman out of the window.

Lady Gaga seems to be able to "bring dead back", and she seems sort of vampire like.

There is plenty to go on, and obviously more questions will be answered as the show progresses. They don't spill it all up front, no one will finish.

[rN820]

Not sure if this was brought up but...was that Mr. March, Evan Peters character, when John was at that house with his daughter? I swear I saw a top hat and cane !

[Dämon]

Originally posted by Mariano

But you can't have a plot in 1/13th of a story.

Critics are idiots, let's not. They think FS is the best season I mean And again they are not professionals either.

I am sorry, I Know I always do that But really tho, they showed us that Gaga has a plan (she already knew about Will Drake etc.) and we know that some killings are happening (Wes Bentley) and we have different story arcs.

We have the whole Hotel and everything that is happening there, we don't know what that is yet - but that's clearly a beginning of a plot. We have Wes and his family. We don't know who Gaga is yet etc.

That's the point of it

I personally adored Freakshow. Yeah it was messy, but it was a good season overall. I also understand what you're trying to say, that you can't have the whole plot in one episode. That's not what we're saying.

I just don't know where the show's going, which is what pisses me off. I'm sure it'll get better with time, but yeah. The 1st episode just seems... I don't even know.

Originally posted by Lose My Breath

That's not true, you would know that

The detective is investigating murders revolving around the 10 commandments, he feels like he's being targeted so he moves into the hotel to protect his family. It just so happens that the hotel he is moving to is where is kidnapped child is being held. Whether he's dead or alive, I don't know, but his dad seems drawn to him.

The hotel is home to a group of "people"? that are murdering those who check-in, obviously there is something supernatural as Kathy Bates lost her son to a drug overdose as well pushing the other woman out of the window.

Lady Gaga seems to be able to "bring dead back", and she seems sort of vampire like.

There is plenty to go on, and obviously more questions will be answered as the show progresses. They don't spill it all up front, no one will finish.

We'll see how it goes. I liked it, I just don't feel like it was strong enough as the opener.

[Mariano]

I need XO to come and explain y'all, I am sure he will understand what I mean I am never good in explaining things, but just because y'all don't know WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT, doesn't mean there is no plot

[Brunette Ambition]

the scene where the addiction demon first appars in that corner was scary

[Mariano]

Originally posted by Tanguy

I personally adored Freakshow. Yeah it was messy, but it was a good season overall. I also understand what you're trying to say, that you can't have the whole plot in one episode. That's not what we're saying.

I just don't know where the show's going, which is what pisses me off. I'm sure it'll get better with time, but yeah. The 1st episode just seems... I don't even know.

Please go back and read the end of my post, I edited.

What you mean is that you don't know the Premise of this season.

Because a plot is:

Plot refers to the sequence of events inside a story which affect other events through the principle of cause and effect. The causal events of a plot can be thought of as a series of sentences linked by "and so." Plots can vary from simple structures such as in a traditional ballad to complex interwoven structures sometimes referred to as an imbroglio. The term plot can serve as a verb and refer to a character planning future actions in the story.

What you guys are looking for is premise / synopsis.

But then again, if they spill everything in episode 1, they might as well end the series in episode 2.

[Mariano]

Originally posted by rN820

Not sure if this was brought up but...was that Mr. March, Evan Peters character, when John was at that house with his daughter? I swear I saw a top hat and cane !

I was wondering the same, but I thought he can't leave the Hotel (room 64) or ... ?

Someone any idea ?

[Brunette Ambition]

So that suspensless death scene of Sally was the one we all waited for? (she never died before)
Because now she's a ghost and can't die anymore

[Gouldkaty]

Imagine if Jessica replaced Gaga
Mommy and son

[Vertigo Stick]

Originally posted by Mariano

But you can't have a plot in 1/13th of a story.

Critics are idiots, let's not. They think FS is the best season I mean And again they are not professionals either.

I am sorry, I Know I always do that But really tho, they showed us that Gaga has a plan (she already knew about Will Drake etc.) and we know that some killings are happening (Wes Bentley) and we have different story arcs.

We have the whole Hotel and everything that is happening there, we don't know what that is yet - but that's clearly a beginning of a plot. We have Wes and his family. We don't know who Gaga is yet etc.

That's the point of it

And if you think that "Who gets the iron throne" is called a plot, then bye... It's a PREMISE not a plot. Y'all are uneducated and that's fine, so I will just leave you arguing with the wrong termins. You don't know GoT's full plot yet, because the plot is the whole story

Critics look for different things than the average viewer. I can see why the review got mixed reviews because critics are also impatient, but I wouldn't say they are idiots. They're looking for different elements. Personally I enjoyed the pacing..they didn't bring out all the big guns in one episode. It's actually nice. I agree with you that it is obvious they were setting seeds.

Another note, it is refreshing that Jessica is not the lead head bitch. She played the same role for four seasons. Seeing someone else's take is a nice change of pace. Once Gaga grows into her role it'll be even better!

[Gouldkaty]

Are there ghosts in this season?

[Lose My Breath]

Originally posted by Tanguy

I personally adored Freakshow. Yeah it was messy, but it was a good season overall. I also understand what you're trying to say, that you can't have the whole plot in one episode. That's not what we're saying.

I just don't know where the show's going, which is what pisses me off. I'm sure it'll get better with time, but yeah. The 1st episode just seems... I don't even know.



We'll see how it goes. I liked it, I just don't feel like it was strong enough as the opener.

I really didn't like Freakshow, it was the weakest season in my opinion, maybe we just like different things.

Give Hotel a shot, it was for sure develop into something bigger

[Gouldkaty]

Originally posted by Brunette Ambition

the scene where the addiction demon first appars in that corner was scary

I don't think it's the addiction demon, it's just a random monster, the addiction demon is a metaphor.

[Ethereaaal]

And yas @ the preview!!! I didn't immediately notice Lily Rabe in it, but I'm so excited to see her Sarah and her are my faves (besides Queens Jessica and Frances of course)

[Brunette Ambition]

Originally posted by Gouldkaty

Are there ghosts in this season?

yes, sally, mr march

Originally posted by Gouldkaty

I don't think it's the addiction demon, it's just a random monster, the addiction demon is a metaphor.

well the addiction demon is a metaphor for addiction as a monster, so its the demon and not some random monster

[Ethereaaal]

Originally posted by Gouldkaty

Are there ghosts in this season?

It seems like there are ghosts, similar to the ones in Murder House. Not sure though. We need more details from the next episodes

[Gouldkaty]

if any more characters from Murder House will appear I will die

[Opacho]

Mariano is right Some of you are acting as if everything needs to be told in the first episode. If you ask anyone the first episode mainly serves to set the mood of the season. Which this did, brilliantly.