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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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But I still don't think it would be right for all states, there should be a proportional increase in each state.
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So in short, you probably agree more with Hilary's plan since a national minimum wage needs to be applied nationally. We know small town rural areas would not be able to keep up with that wage increase. It's absurd to think otherwise
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This is his biggest weakness, honestly. He focuses so much of his rhetoric on Wall Street and super pacs and fails to even bring up examples of why it's a bad thing. He just assumes people watching the debates agree with his points. He needs to provide examples and expand his understand beyond that.
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According to the consumer price index, 75 cents in 1950 buys the same amount of stuff as $7.38 in 2015
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This seems so hard to believe for some reason 
Everything feels a lot more expensive today (college, housing, gas, etc) 
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South Carolina Govenor, Nikki Haley, is going for Rubio
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South Carolina Govenor, Nikki Haley, is going for Rubio
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Rubio will not beat Trump. They need Bush
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So in short, you probably agree more with Hilary's plan since a national minimum wage needs to be applied nationally. We know small town rural areas would not be able to keep up with that wage increase. It's absurd to think otherwise
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I think that $12 is more realistic BUT Hillary has basically already compromised before even being in office. When you're buying a car you shoot for as low as possible, not somewhere in the middle. By starting with $12 she might be able to get to $10 which is still too low.
There's really no way to predict what kind of effect it would have on rural areas, and keep in mind that it would be a gradual increase throughout the years. They would able to adjust with time.
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A customer at work today told me to vote for Trump. 
I had never seen one of them out in the wild before. I feel violated.
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So FiveThirtyEight's more pro-Bernie scenario, which they say aligns with about a 50-50 national polling split, doesn't even yield a solid win for him.
It would result in him winning 28 more states, 29 including NH. He'd win the pledged delegate count by just three, and may not even win that (considering how caucuses work, it's feasible that Hillary could snatch a couple more or several more than my estimates indicate).
This would lead to a contested convention, and unless a full sixty superdelegates suddenly switch from Hillary (who has a majority already) over to Sanders, he would technically lose the nomination.
Iowa and NH were almost evenly in the middle of their two projections, so it doesn't look likely that Bernie is going to pull the numbers and all the states that the 50-50 option would yield for him. Recent polling for Super Tuesday also leans more toward their pro-Clinton outcome, suggesting it will be closer to that than the other.
I won't do projections for their scenario in which Clinton leads by 12 because it's not yet necessary - that would just be a decisive victory for her, whereas the other would still actually be a possible narrow win for her.
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My friend's idea, I just said why not. I'll ask him what he did, since he asked and turned in the papers. All I did was sign mine 
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I wish i coulda seen it  he was gloating as we were leaving the precinct, and then a couple minutes later, Obama is declared President-elect 
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Originally posted by Bloo
This is his biggest weakness, honestly. He focuses so much of his rhetoric on Wall Street and super pacs and fails to even bring up examples of why it's a bad thing. He just assumes people watching the debates agree with his points. He needs to provide examples and expand his understand beyond that. Bringing up Wall Street, campaign finance reform, etc. is NOT appropriate in a discussion about foreign policy (especially when you're up against a former Secretary of State). Also, in a GE, foreign policy matters a lot more than in the democratic primary.
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I just want to note that in seven of the twelve states polled by PPP and released today, Clinton actually leads in terms of who voters trust more with going after Wall Street. She leads in eight on the issue of raising incomes for average Americans.
She leads all but Vermont one the issues of: Commander in Chief, race relations, immigration, and women's issues.
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So FiveThirtyEight's more pro-Bernie scenario, which they say aligns with about a 50-50 national polling split, doesn't even yield a solid win for him.
It would result in him winning 28 more states, 29 including NH. He'd win the pledged delegate count by just three, and may not even win that (considering how caucuses work, it's feasible that Hillary could snatch a couple more or several more than my estimates indicate).
This would lead to a contested convention, and unless a full sixty superdelegates suddenly switch from Hillary (who has a majority already) over to Sanders, he would technically lose the nomination.
Iowa and NH were almost evenly in the middle of their two projections, so it doesn't look likely that Bernie is going to pull the numbers and all the states that the 50-50 option would yield for him. Recent polling for Super Tuesday also leans more toward their pro-Clinton outcome, suggesting it will be closer to that than the other.
I won't do projections for their scenario in which Clinton leads by 12 because it's not yet necessary - that would just be a decisive victory for her, whereas the other would still actually be a possible narrow win for her.
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Iowa was 50/50 in their projections. They had Bernie winning NH by like 75%.
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A slideshow of Hillary Clinton political cartoons has been the most read item on Politico for four days now, above all Scalia articles and everything else.
There are a few things to discern from that, not all of them comforting with regard to the state of American politics.
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I just want to note that in seven of the twelve states polled by PPP and released today, Clinton actually leads in terms of who voters trust more with going after Wall Street. She leads in eight on the issue of raising incomes for average Americans.
She leads all but Vermont one the issues of: Commander in Chief, race relations, immigration, and women's issues.
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What does this mean? They think she'll go after Wall Street more than the others?
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@Mike we're talking about this
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What does this mean? They think she'll go after Wall Street more than the others?
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They think, for whatever reason, she'd be more successful in that endeavor. 
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They think, for whatever reason, she'd be more successful in that endeavor. |
Why would she bite the hand that feeds her? Makes no sense.
But if that's what those people believe...
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Why would she bite the hand that feeds her? Makes no sense.
But if that's what those people believe...
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Because it doesn't...?
We all, including the candidates, go in circles with this issue, but she has a significantly lower percentage of Wall Street campaign funds than Obama did, has a solid and comprehensive Wall Street plan, and had a detailed history and record in calling out the financial industry before the economic crisis actually even occurred and throughout.
The notion that she wouldn't be tough on Wall Street because of a couple speeches when she was out of office and because of marginal contributions to her campaign is legitimately just a Bernie and Bernie supporter myth with absolutely no backing or truth.
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I'm sure Damien M will show up sometime today!
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Originally posted by Bernie Sanders
You don't necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country.
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He's kind of a really dangerous socialist when you think about it.
He wants to increase estate tax
He wants to kill Wall Street (how on earth does he think America will function without a thriving stock market?)
He doesn't want people to pass on property to their kids
Taxes are going to be > 50% for some/most people
etc etc
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If you haven't already, you guys MUST read Hillary's new VOGUE interview.
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At one point, she launched into a story about how difficult it was for people in developing nations to comprehend how she could lose to President Obama and then wind up becoming his Secretary of State. “They were confused,” she said. “In their countries, even in burgeoning democracies, if you oppose somebody, you run against somebody, you end up being exiled or imprisoned, not Secretary of State!” The audience laughed. “When they first asked me, I was on my very first trip, in February 2009. This was in Indonesia and I was in front of a big audience on their very popular morning TV show, which translated into ‘The Awesome Show!’ ” More laughter. “And I was so worried they were going to ask me to dance or sing. I think that would be a disaster for my country.” She dropped her voice into its lower register and got serious. “We ran a hard campaign against each other. He said things that hurt my feelings, I said things that hurt his feelings. It was tough! But he won and I lost. And I said, ‘I want to do everything I can to get you elected,’ and I did. I did everything I could think of to do.” More applause. “And then he asked me to be Secretary of State, and I said yes for the same reason. And you know what that reason is? We both love our country. And we in this country not only have to make our democracy work, we’ve got to make it work for the rest of the world, who will look at us and say, ‘This is what a democracy is.’ ”
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After some friendly chitchat, Clinton wants to discuss what happened to Christine Quinn, who ran for mayor of New York in 2013, and whom I profiled for New York magazine. Quinn was the clear front-runner for more than a year, and then lost to Bill de Blasio. Snobbery, I say. Certain New Yorkers just couldn’t bring themselves to pull the lever for someone so brash—they couldn’t picture her in the job. “How much do you think the woman thing mattered?” she asks as she munches on a salad out of one of those clear plastic takeout bowls. A lot, I say, but I don’t think people could tell you what they didn’t like. It was visceral. And then, as sort of a joke, I say that the cover photograph that made Quinn look like a vampire certainly didn’t help. “They did that to her deliberately,” she says with an edge of disgust in her voice. “I couldn’t understand it. She’d been around. It’s not like she came out of nowhere. People knew her. I just thought she was treated really badly.”
The exchange tees me up perfectly to ask: If New York City still isn’t ready for its first female mayor, is the United States ready for its first female president? Why is this still such a hurdle for women in our country? “You know,” she says with a sigh, “I really don’t know. I think it’s gotten better. But I think there still is a very deep set of concerns that people have, which very often they’re not even aware of or they couldn’t articulate. There’s nothing overt about it in most instances. People are very convinced they want to vote for the right person. And then . . . you know, you get little hints that maybe they’re not as comfortable with a woman being in an executive position. Especially in a big, rough-and-tumble setting like New York City or the United States of America. But I think it’s changing. I’ve noticed a big improvement between now and the last time I ran.”
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“I do think I’m a better candidate,” says Clinton. “Maybe that has to do with being very comfortable with what I’m doing and why I’m doing it. And convinced that I’d be a good president, having now watched it up close: my husband’s administration, being in the Senate—especially after 9/11—being Secretary of State, spending a lot of time with the national security team and President Obama. I just have a lot of confidence in. . . .” She pauses for a moment, searching for the right words. “Some people run for president and they don’t know what they don’t know. Some people run for president and they know how hard the job is, but they may not be entirely convinced that this daunting task is one that can be taken on. I know how hard it is, and I feel very ready and very confident to take it on.”
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“Can you say ‘Grandma’?” he asks a few times, when suddenly: “Gramma!” Marc sent it to his mother-in-law that day for inspiration. “It. Was. The. Best,” Clinton says when I ask her about it. “It was just to die for. That’s why I did so well! Somebody said to me, ‘That debate must’ve been the best thing that’s ever happened to you.’ I said, ‘Nope. Getting the video of Charlotte saying ‘Grandma’ under coercion from her parents was the best thing that’s ever happened to me.”
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When Clinton is the only woman in a room, she has a particular way of introducing herself: Hand jutting straight out, head up, she looks right into the eyes of men who are all taller than she. Her body language seems to be saying: I am, at the very least, your equal; I am also probably the most powerful person here. I noticed it in 2009, during her first year as Secretary of State, when I followed her for a day through the United Nations General Assembly for a Vogue profile. She would be standing in some hallway with Abedin and her delegates, making small talk or cracking wise. But when the moment came to enter the chamber to meet, say, the all-male Iraqi delegation, she would stiffen her spine, stride into the room, and make her presence felt. (Clinton laughs knowingly at this observation: “You know, you do have to demonstrate you belong there in the role that you’re in.”)
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One of the most consistent raps against Clinton is that she doesn’t have that one big achievement as senator or Secretary of State—that piece of legislation; that peace accord—that she can point to as her legacy. It was all, in the words of one Democratic pollster I spoke to, “small beer”—a manly put-down if ever there was one. Says Kornacki, “John Kerry can say, after this Iran deal, ‘Look, I was Secretary of State for four years and here’s my legacy: this enduring pact that disarmed Iran.’ What can Hillary Clinton point to along those lines? Nothing like that.”
Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright doesn’t think that criticism is fair. “She restored America’s reputation. People didn’t know what to make of us after the Bush administration. Hillary had this capability of dealing with every world leader and explaining who we were, who we are, who we want to be, in a way that is a huge accomplishment given what had preceded it.” For Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, many of the trips Clinton made as Secretary of State don’t get counted toward her legacy but should. “She went to charities in Africa where they were helping women survive being brutally raped in horrible conflicts, helping them be able to learn how to love the children that came from rape and how to be mothers and how to reintegrate and heal their wounds. Previous Secretaries of State didn’t spend time doing that. But she did. So she was always drawing attention to the least among us.”
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Albright and Clinton went to Wellesley exactly ten years apart, which means they celebrate the same reunion years. “You can see how many friends she has from there,” says Albright. “I also think that there are—and always have been—great expectations for her. And so people are expecting everything, you know? They stop seeing her as human. She has become an embodiment of expectations.”
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One day at a town hall in Urbandale, Iowa, a thirteen-year-old girl gets up and asks Clinton when she first decided to run. Here she tells a story about how, when she was at the tail end of her tenure as First Lady, she was encouraged to try for Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s seat in the Senate. She resisted for months. And then one day, she went to an event in New York City honoring female athletes that was centered on a documentary called Dare to Compete. “I was at this high school,” she says, “and the captain of this basketball team, a very impressive young woman, introduced me, and so I went up to the podium, and she was a lot taller than me, and she bent over and she said, ‘Dare to compete, Mrs. Clinton. Dare to compete.’ I went, ‘Oh, my gosh.’ I was just dumbfounded. Because I spent a lot of my time encouraging young women to really pursue their dreams, to go as far as they could, break the glass ceiling, and here was this young woman calling me out! And that’s when I told myself, ‘You better think seriously about this.’ ”
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There is way more in the article (and it's really long), but it's such a great read.
http://www.vogue.com/13393672/hillar...2016-election/
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I'm finally starting to see negative Bernie articles about his lying and empty promises. Thank goodness. It went too long just seeing anti-Hillary articles on facebook.
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Where can I see them? I would like to share them on Facebook 
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