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TV Show: Scream Queens | #RenewalNewsSOON | #Pray4Chanel | #Over
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I said it's "really bad" because the humor isn't funny.
Would you care to explain to me how this isn't a whodunnit? Aside from dodgy humor and an army of bitches, it literally fits everything about that genre. You're literally trying to change this show's GENRE to argue who the killer is  |
I know what the genre is. It does follow a whodunnit structure. But you thinking it's going to appeal "good guys" in the end by making the main villain (who is the protagonist, even though she's an anti-hero, instead of the traditional protagonist character) ALSO the killer at the end is what's incorrect.
And you continuing on with this ridiculous "I'm a horror movie expert! I know everything about horror! So I know exactly what's going on and what's going to happen here!" grandeur is obnoxious.
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If you want me to clock with you with the actual definition of DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER, then I will hun.
Like bye. Point buried.
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Dude, I know that it's not real life Dissociative Identity Disorder. Films NEVER get these right. If you really don't understand me saying "John's twist was similar to the twist in High Tension. Or My Bloody Valnetine 3D" means... well, I don't even know.
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Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L
I know what the genre is. It does follow a whodunnit structure. But you thinking it's going to appeal "good guys" in the end by making the main villain (who is the protagonist, even though she's an anti-hero, instead of the traditional protagonist character) ALSO the killer at the end is what's incorrect.
And you continuing on with this ridiculous "I'm a horror movie expert! I know everything about horror! So I know exactly what's going on and what's going to happen here!" grandeur is obnoxious. |
..... what? You're first paragraph makes no sense. That's not what I'm saying at all.
I didn't say that. I said this is the rule across the genre and post exceptions if you can think of some. The fact you're strawmanning and not posting exceptions implies you can't think of any. Also, you have repeatedly taken personal attacks at me and told me I have no idea what I'm talking about this entire discussion, so you have zero ground to stand on when complaining about me coming off as obnoxious because I'm acting "know it all"-ish (ironic too, considering you actually lectured ME about not understanding the genre)
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Originally posted by Repo
I said it's "really bad" because the humor isn't funny.
Would you care to explain to me how this isn't a whodunnit? Aside from dodgy humor and an army of bitches, it literally fits everything about that genre. You're literally trying to change this show's GENRE to argue who the killer is |
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A whodunit or whodunnit (for "Who [has] done it?" or "Who did it?") is a complex, plot-driven variety of the detective story in which the audience is given the opportunity to engage in the same process of deduction as the protagonist throughout the investigation of a crime. The reader or viewer is provided with the clues from which the identity of the perpetrator may be deduced before the story provides the revelation itself at its climax. The investigation is usually conducted by an eccentric, amateur, or semi-professional detective.
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Literally what this show is.
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Guys... come one! This'll all be sorted out in 24 hours!
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Ohhhhh yes it does
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these essays, it ain't that serious
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Literally what this show is.
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http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...lish/whodunnit
Informal: A story or play about a murder in which the identity of the murderer is not revealed until the end.
I'm obviously referring to the SLASHER subgenre, not the mystery subgenre. This is just willful ignorance at this point
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Grace looks so much better when she's not wearing her ridiculous hats (and the outfits that go along with them).
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Pierce, kiss my ass.
And Repo, I said that at the time for the reasons that everyone can agree on: The show was made to glorify characters like Chanel. It's made for that.
But at the same time, I knew it was very possible for Chanel to be the killer.
Meanwhile, now, I KNOW what you're saying about Chanel survive even if she's the killer, but I'm telling you there is evidence that that IS NOT going to happen.
This isn't a sudden moment of them hinting it's Grace (like Pete saying "I'm a murderer" at the end, or a weird stare that he or Wes make in a mirror). This is season-long evidence, and Ryan's been saying this whole time that it's a whodunnit that you'll learn more about THROUGH THE SEASON, not a last-second twist?
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See, I know the show makes several homages. But it doesn't have its entire, core setup inspired and modified to other things. Is there ever any show or movie you've seen exactly like this? All the bitchy characters being our central characters and all the pore "good" characters dying moreso than the "bad" ones? Why would that suddenly change at the end?
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Lord, when will you realize that this is a whodunnit and not an episode of the Twilight Zone?
There isn't supposed to be a giant twist at the end. It's not supposed to be a murderous episode of Punk'd. It's not supposed to be horrifyingly shocking like AHS (even though that was still horrilbly obvious). We're supposed to be figuring out who the killer is. That's the whole point of it. And all points lead to GRACE.
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This is a whodunnit, and we are supposed to be figuring out who the season is throughout the entire season, and all season-long hints point towards Grace, and going into the finale, we're supposed to see that.
And why you seem to think they'll say "Oh, see all this proof you've gotten along 11 points that it's this person? It's not!" right at the end is beyond me. I get other boring slashers do that, but this is not some dumb slasher where the reveal at the end sits backseat to the carnage and kills. Where were the hints all along Scream 3 that the killer was Roman? Where were the hints all along Scream 2 or Scream 4 who the killer was? There weren't any. They were just random twists. They weren't being played for the mystery. They were played for the kills & the mind**** ending.
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http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...lish/whodunnit
Informal: A story or play about a murder in which the identity of the murderer is not revealed until the end.
I'm obviously referring to the SLASHER subgenre, not the mystery subgenre. This is just willful ignorance at this point
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That's exactly the same thing I posted; its revealed at the end, but theres clues pointing to the killer throughout the story. And willful ignorance is right, you got that down pat honey.
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That's exactly the same thing I posted; its revealed at the end, but theres clues pointing to the killer throughout the story. And willful ignorance is right, you got that down pat honey.
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So... like Scream? Scream 2? Scream 3? Scream 4? Valentine? Urban Legend? Terror Train? I Know What You Did Last Summer (where you don't even meet the killer )? Sorority Row? Where each time the killer was meant to be a big shock 
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So... like Scream? Scream 2? Scream 3? Scream 4? Valentine? Urban Legend? Terror Train? I Know What You Did Last Summer (where you don't even meet the killer )? Sorority Row? Where each time the killer was meant to be a big shock |
But the point we're making is that Scream Queens isn't acting like those. It's not supposed to be a shocking twist at the end.
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And why you seem to think they'll say "Oh, see all this proof you've gotten along 11 points that it's this person? It's not!" right at the end is beyond me. I get other boring slashers do that, but this is not some dumb slasher where the reveal at the end sits backseat to the carnage and kills. Where were the hints all along Scream 3 that the killer was Roman? Where were the hints all along Scream 2 or Scream 4 who the killer was? There weren't any. They were just random twists. They weren't being played for the mystery. They were played for the kills & the mind**** ending.
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But... but... but... all of them have hints? All of them were written with the killer in mind, and WHO the killer is doesn't contradict anything we're shown in the film. They didn't pull the killer out of a hat in the last act
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But the point we're making is that Scream Queens isn't acting like those. It's not supposed to be a shocking twist at the end. |
Where are you getting this from when Ryan and the cast keep talking about how no one is guessing the killer? 
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This is a whodunnit, and we are supposed to be figuring out who the season is throughout the entire season, and all season-long hints point towards Grace, and going into the finale, we're supposed to see that.
And why you seem to think they'll say "Oh, see all this proof you've gotten along 11 points that it's this person? It's not!" right at the end is beyond me. I get other boring slashers do that, but this is not some dumb slasher where the reveal at the end sits backseat to the carnage and kills. Where were the hints all along Scream 3 that the killer was Roman? Where were the hints all along Scream 2 or Scream 4 who the killer was? There weren't any. They were just random twists. They weren't being played for the mystery. They were played for the kills & the mind**** ending.
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Originally posted by Repo
So... like Scream? Scream 2? Scream 3? Scream 4? Valentine? Urban Legend? Terror Train? I Know What You Did Last Summer (where you don't even meet the killer )? Sorority Row? Where each time the killer was meant to be a big shock |
Grace being the RD IS MEANT to be a big shock to the GP. Their neanderthal looking selves thing PETE of all people is the killer. But for people with actual brains, it's pretty damn clear as crystal that the Hat Lover is the slasher.
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Grace being the RD IS MEANT to be a big shock to the GP. Their neanderthal looking selves thing PETE of all people is the killer. But for people with actual brains, it's pretty damn clear as crystal that the Hat Lover is the slasher.
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You and C/H/A/N/E/L can't even align you're arguments, but at least this basis makes some sense. The only reason I don't think it's Grace is because of
Her and Pete being attacked by, ya know, the Red Devil
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But... but... but... all of them have hints? All of them were written with the killer in mind, and WHO the killer is doesn't contradict anything we're shown in the film. They didn't pull the killer out of a hat in the last act
Where are you getting this from when Ryan and the cast keep talking about how no one is guessing the killer? |
But, they never explain HOW x, y & z events happen. Those always just end with the reveal of the motive like, "Oh, you're actually related to me, and so I tried to kill you". And no clues were made to point to that in, like, anything.
And mess @ you saying that when Ryan also said no one guessed the theme for season 4 of American Horror Story.
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Will we ever know who Chanel #4 is 
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Will we ever know who Chanel #4 is |
No. She's dead. She doesn't matter.
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But, they never explain HOW x, y & z events happen. Those always just end with the reveal of the motive like, "Oh, you're actually related to me, and so I tried to kill you". And no clues were made to point to that in, like, anything.
And mess @ you saying that when Ryan also said no one guessed the theme for season 4 of American Horror Story. |
Do you really think they're going to go full-on PLL on us and dedicate 80% of the finale to flashbacks explaining every single killing? :deadbananana: And IDK. I remember CALLING Jill as 4's killer in the theater (never attacked solo despite being new heroine, no redherrings thrown her way despite not being in the clear, etc.) The hints to these are usually done to be very subtle and not in your face, which is why I'm leaning towards Chanel. I was thinking Grace, but as I said, we know something happens in the finale which kinda rules her out
Technically, they didn't Heh But it's not JUST him either, Emma makes a big deal out of it too.
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