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Single: Marina and the Diamonds - "Primadonna"
Member Since: 8/6/2012
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Originally posted by Electra&TheHearts
I honestly don't understand why her peers (Florence, Ellie, Paloma, Eliza) have all risen to success and she's still stalled in the same position unable to break through.
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To be honest I don't think Marina's ironic pop princess act is working for her. I think most listeners don't get it and instead she just comes off as obnoxious. The fact that her sound has been watered down into Dr. Luke electro blandness doesn't help either.
TFJ was a nearly perfect pop album -- brash, hooky songs with Marina's signature tongue-in-cheek quirk. It's too bad it wasn't her breakthrough US album, because Electra Heart plays all the wrong cards in my opinion.
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primadonna flops time to drag marina. Honestly the reason she's flopping is not because of dr.lukes "watered down" electro pop or because EH plays all the cards wrong.. It's the mere fact she hasn't had the exposure she needs. Because ive gotten so many people into primadonna and some have even proceeded to buy EH and love it. The US is a big country. It's hard to capture it with one TV promo and a couple radio tours. She needed more promo. And she didn't get it and that really sucks. Oh well
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I'm still praying for that sleeper hit.
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Originally posted by SuBarbieA
I'm still praying for that sleeper hit.
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Me and u both.
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Member Since: 4/29/2012
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Sad it's flopped
The song still ****s
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Member Since: 8/6/2012
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Originally posted by ddeizaguirre
primadonna flops time to drag marina. Honestly the reason she's flopping is not because of dr.lukes "watered down" electro pop or because EH plays all the cards wrong.. It's the mere fact she hasn't had the exposure she needs. Because ive gotten so many people into primadonna and some have even proceeded to buy EH and love it. The US is a big country. It's hard to capture it with one TV promo and a couple radio tours. She needed more promo. And she didn't get it and that really sucks. Oh well
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I'm not trying to drag her, I just think that the sound and image of TFJ would have been a better entree into the US market than Electra Heart.
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Member Since: 4/17/2012
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Originally posted by PoisonPill
To be honest I don't think Marina's ironic pop princess act is working for her. I think most listeners don't get it and instead she just comes off as obnoxious. The fact that her sound has been watered down into Dr. Luke electro blandness doesn't help either.
TFJ was a nearly perfect pop album -- brash, hooky songs with Marina's signature tongue-in-cheek quirk. It's too bad it wasn't her breakthrough US album, because Electra Heart plays all the wrong cards in my opinion.
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I have to totally disagree here. Electra Heart is a masterpiece. It's brutally emotional and heart wrenching with literally perfect delivery. This is her breakthrough album. If it doesn't happen, that sucks, but myself personally, if you look at my "My Main Obsessions" signature, I'm 100000000000000000000% happy with her being on that level. She's not there yet, but that level of presence is readily available to her, should she choose to abandon the mainstream route (which makes a lot of sense for her; her music only has traces of mainstream music in it.)
Edit: When I say "on that level," I mean fanbase size. And I guess since Moloko has been defunct for almost 10 years, you can discount that when I say that haha.
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Member Since: 4/26/2012
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Originally posted by PoisonPill
To be honest I don't think Marina's ironic pop princess act is working for her. I think most listeners don't get it and instead she just comes off as obnoxious. The fact that her sound has been watered down into Dr. Luke electro blandness doesn't help either.
TFJ was a nearly perfect pop album -- brash, hooky songs with Marina's signature tongue-in-cheek quirk. It's too bad it wasn't her breakthrough US album, because Electra Heart plays all the wrong cards in my opinion.
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I have to disagree, TFJ was a great album but was not appealing to most listeners, her vocals, the productions and the Marina quirkyness was just never going to sell. And it didn't. Out of her peer group Marina was one of the worst sellers with her debut, only Little Boots sold a similar amount. I seriosuly doubt Marina managed to make a profit.
She had three options when they wrapped up the TFJ era, that was either make TFJ part 2 (which would probably fare the same as the TFJ), or make an indie album dropping the pop elements and the quirkyness, or finally make a big pop record dropping the indie elements. Marina went with what she wanted to do all along.
I don't think Dr. Luke watered down Marina at all but made her more accessible. And even so he only produced 3 songs out of 17 tracks. Marina is still very much central to the project. Marina already made TFJ there was no point in making it again, she had to evolve as an artist, and I do believe that EH is her best chance at breaking through but unfortunately that hasn't happened for her, but I don't think its the material that's holding her back. The fact the public have only heard 2 songs (which is a stretch because P&C got no attention at all).
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Originally posted by ddeizaguirre
primadonna flops time to drag marina. Honestly the reason she's flopping is not because of dr.lukes "watered down" electro pop or because EH plays all the cards wrong.. It's the mere fact she hasn't had the exposure she needs. Because ive gotten so many people into primadonna and some have even proceeded to buy EH and love it. The US is a big country. It's hard to capture it with one TV promo and a couple radio tours. She needed more promo. And she didn't get it and that really sucks. Oh well
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Exactly! She just hasn't had the exposure that she needs. If Primadonna made it to the top 20 on pop radio I think it would really catch on. But I don't think the money is there for her.
She tweeted today that HTBAH is being filmed in Denmark, when Marina said earlier that it was going to be filmed in America. Methinks her US label has lost faith in her after Primadonna has stalled and they're no longer willing to finance the video, so I'm expecting another cheap video sadly. Marina's never been able to convince her financiers to have that confidence in her to invest more money.
They should have focused on the UK and Europe and made EH a success here first and then at the end of the year sent Primadonna to US radio, her US label would see the success she's had abroad and would be more willing to push her in the US.
I just hope she's not dropped after this and she gets another album...but right now nothing is certain.
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Member Since: 8/2/2010
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Originally posted by Electra&TheHearts
I have to disagree, TFJ was a great album but was not appealing to most listeners, her vocals, the productions and the Marina quirkyness was just never going to sell. And it didn't. Out of her peer group Marina was one of the worst sellers with her debut, only Little Boots sold a similar amount. I seriosuly doubt Marina managed to make a profit.
She had three options when they wrapped up the TFJ era, that was either make TFJ part 2 (which would probably fare the same as the TFJ), or make an indie album dropping the pop elements and the quirkyness, or finally make a big pop record dropping the indie elements. Marina went with what she wanted to do all along.
I don't think Dr. Luke watered down Marina at all but made her more accessible. And even so he only produced 3 songs out of 17 tracks. Marina is still very much central to the project. Marina already made TFJ there was no point in making it again, she had to evolve as an artist, and I do believe that EH is her best chance at breaking through but unfortunately that hasn't happened for her, but I don't think its the material that's holding her back. The fact the public have only heard 2 songs (which is a stretch because P&C got no attention at all).
Exactly! She just hasn't had the exposure that she needs. If Primadonna made it to the top 20 on pop radio I think it would really catch on. But I don't think the money is there for her.
She tweeted today that HTBAH is being filmed in Denmark, when Marina said earlier that it was going to be filmed in America. Methinks her US label has lost faith in her after Primadonna has stalled and they're no longer willing to finance the video, so I'm expecting another cheap video sadly. Marina's never been able to convince her financiers to have that confidence in her to invest more money.
They should have focused on the UK and Europe and made EH a success here first and then at the end of the year sent Primadonna to US radio, her US label would see the success she's had abroad and would be more willing to push her in the US.
I just hope she's not dropped after this and she gets another album...but right now nothing is certain.
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I keep thinking the same but you know what I still have hopes in marina she's an incredible artist with a devoted fanbase... I don't think it's over for her. Her name keeps spreading I just think they should let primadonna ride out. A few negative updates isn't the end of the world. Things could still turn around for her.
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Originally posted by ddeizaguirre
I keep thinking the same but you know what I still have hopes in marina she's an incredible artist with a devoted fanbase... I don't think it's over for her. Her name keeps spreading I just think they should let primadonna ride out. A few negative updates isn't the end of the world. Things could still turn around for her.
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I don't think they should bother sending another single to US radio until they're done with the campaign everywhere else. Unless by some sort of miracle Primadonna ends up smashing that is. She's got too many European commitments in the coming months, so it doesn't make sense to send out another single when she's not going to be able to support it anyway.
Her management/label need to realise its better to make EH a success in one territory than for it to continue in the manner it has. They should have sent HTBAH to UK radio at the start of summer, but because they wasted all this time waiting to see if Primadonna would be a hit in the US they've now ensured its going to go to radio when all the heavyweights are releasing their debut singles off of new albums. Its going to get lost in the crowd.
HTBAH will probably replicate Radioactive's success, she's not a big enough artist to compete the artists releasing songs/albums in the last quarter of the year, no matter how good her single is.
They need to forget the US for now, its nothing more than a pipe dream, they can revisit when they're done in Europe.
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Member Since: 4/17/2012
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Originally posted by ddeizaguirre
I keep thinking the same but you know what I still have hopes in marina she's an incredible artist with a devoted fanbase... I don't think it's over for her. Her name keeps spreading I just think they should let primadonna ride out. A few negative updates isn't the end of the world. Things could still turn around for her.
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Her career will not be over until she wants it to be. It just may take a turn into more indie territory. That's neither good nor bad; both have benefits. But she's around as long as she wants to be. She has enough fans to be a solid, well paid indie artist.
Sia is an indie artist, and her fanbase is ENORMOUS.
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Originally posted by MyNameIsMiro
Sia is an indie artist, and her fanbase is ENORMOUS.
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But the majority of the radio audience has only heard her singing hooks for Guetta and Flo Rida...
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Originally posted by MyNameIsMiro
Her career will not be over until she wants it to be. It just may take a turn into more indie territory. That's neither good nor bad; both have benefits. But she's around as long as she wants to be. She has enough fans to be a solid, well paid indie artist.
Sia is an indie artist, and her fanbase is ENORMOUS.
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My big fear is that Marina has wracked up a whopping huge bill. Dr. Luke is not cheap, the Radioactive/Oh No! videos were not cheap, tailor made costumes are not cheap. I think 679 would love to hang onto Marina, but Atlantic might step in a force them to drop her if they can't see her being able to make back all the money already spent on her.
679 aren't exactly in the financial position to support artists unable to pay back their costs. Plan B is their only profitable artist.
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Member Since: 4/17/2012
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Originally posted by PoisonPill
But the majority of the radio audience has only heard her singing hooks for Guetta and Flo Rida...
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So? Who cares about that? It's irrelevant.
When you make a ton of money and get to make whatever music you want, isn't that the entire dream for an artist to begin with? Sia doesn't want to be famous anyways; it's why she's essentially retired from releasing her own material. Because despite not having a label, she was becoming seriously huge. Not many indie artists have albums that debut as high as hers do - it's really rare, and 99% of those people discovered her because of Breathe Me. Believe me, maybe less than 5% of people that would consider themselves Sia fans discovered her through anything she did this year. A huge, huge majority is Colour The Small One and Some People Have Real Problems.
I don't understand why it would be such a big deal for Marina to have the same happen to her. She could make whatever music she wanted, write songs for other people to make extra money, and make a ton of money from touring due to her dedicated fanbase. Yeah, it's not $20 million set for 8 lives over financial success, but it's more money than most people would even know what to do with, and total freedom. I don't care which direction she goes, but maybe it's right for her.
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Member Since: 4/17/2012
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Originally posted by Electra&TheHearts
My big fear is that Marina has wracked up a whopping huge bill. Dr. Luke is not cheap, the Radioactive/Oh No! videos were not cheap, tailor made costumes are not cheap. I think 679 would love to hang onto Marina, but Atlantic might step in a force them to drop her if they can't see her being able to make back all the money already spent on her.
679 aren't exactly in the financial position to support artists unable to pay back their costs. Plan B is their only profitable artist.
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All we can do is hope HTBAH hits big. The frustrating thing about record labels is their apparent inability to commit. It's so frustrating to watch. If she just had more money put behind her, it'd pay off. She is left-field, but extremely accessable. I honestly thought Primadonna was going to be huge, and I always saw Starring Role coming second and being huge too - I can't understand how they screwed it up. I've literally only had one person I played it for not like it.
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Guys, stop arguing. Primadonna will obviously smash!! #delusionaloptimism
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I agree with most of the points made here. One thing I have stressed in the past and still to this day is that Marina should've done a scattered release. She doesn't have the profile to just do that. Also, she can't drop singles in the UK and then dart off to America. Marina still hasn't really cracked the UK when you compare her to the other indie girl contemporaries. They should've spent April - End of the year focusing on the UK & Europe and then spent 2013 cracking the US.
Electra Heart itself is fine as a pop album with good accessible singles, so that wasn't the problem. What's jarring to me is how her record label let her record a big pop album with expensive producers but can't cough up the cash to back her up? You don't really hear of people getting dropped nowadays, if worst comes to worst, it'll be "mutual agreement" - though 679 are like in love with Marina, so her future is hard to predict. In some ways this era has done wonders for Marina. But I imagine her label were expecting her to smash this era and she hasn't..
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Member Since: 4/7/2012
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For those interested, The Family Jewels has sold around 180,000 copies.. Electra Heart is coming upto 60,000.
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Originally posted by teen-idle
I agree with most of the points made here. One thing I have stressed in the past and still to this day is that Marina should've done a scattered release. She doesn't have the profile to just do that. Also, she can't drop singles in the UK and then dart off to America. Marina still hasn't really cracked the UK when you compare her to the other indie girl contemporaries. They should've spent April - End of the year focusing on the UK & Europe and then spent 2013 cracking the US.
Electra Heart itself is fine as a pop album with good accessible singles, so that wasn't the problem. What's jarring to me is how her record label let her record a big pop album with expensive producers but can't cough up the cash to back her up? You don't really hear of people getting dropped nowadays, if worst comes to worst, it'll be "mutual agreement" - though 679 are like in love with Marina, so her future is hard to predict. In some ways this era has done wonders for Marina. But I imagine her label were expecting her to smash this era and she hasn't..
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This is my main problem too. Greg Kurstin and Dr. Luke are not cheap. They funded that, but they can't give her proper promotion? It doesn't make sense. It's like they wanted her to flop.
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