Yes I'm aware it's from a movie and as an Asian myself I think it's hilarious. As an Asian when I say "me love you long time" I do it for the humour and sarcasm, if anyone actually thinks Asians speak like that I'mma crack their ass. And so what with the fake Caribbean accent? I mean actors speak in fake accents all the time, singers should be allowed to do the same. I mean I know Madonna speaks with a fake posh British accent sometimes and no one gave a f***.
Actually, a lot of people mocked Madonna back then for her fake accent and still do. And I don't know why you're getting so defensive and going off-topic. I don't think there was anything wrong with her fake accent in "Right There," but a lot of people thought it was dumb. Going back to the original point, it's not really Pacific Islander.
As for the "me love you long time" thing, I think it's corny and, yes, a lot people really think East Asians speak like that. They learn things from popular media.
Actually, a lot of people mocked Madonna back then for her fake accent and still do. And I don't know why you're getting so defensive and going off-topic. I don't think there was anything wrong with her fake accent in "Right There," but a lot of people thought it was dumb. Going back to the original point, it's not really Pacific Islander.
As for the "me love you long time" thing, I think it's corny and, yes, a lot people really think East Asians speak like that. They learn things from popular media.
Caribbean, that's still tropical. Anyway my original point is that Right There and Baby Love have that tropical vibe.
@mikedjordj
I do think Right There is one of her best songs, so fun.
BTW, why does everyone want Nicole to do urban music? I mean her last album was urban and that didn't go as well as planned, maybe she just needs to do something different... As a fan I'd just like Nicole to make good music whatever genre it is, doesn't have to be urban, just has to be good.
@StarlightShimmers I know but songs like Right there, Electric Blue... can help her to get better place in the charts!
Songs like on the rocks, run are ok but they don't have potential!
The only problem I have with that fake accent in Right There is that it felt more or less like a gimmick and experiment that sounded fun in the studio but wasn't thought out to actually fit in a live setting. I mean performance wise she does a tight job, but damn I cringe everytime the moment she sings the first word. It really doesn't sounds good to me A woman that can sing beautiful classical and musical songs and even hit the right notes on more rock influenced songs, that tries to sing with a fake accent that really makes her sound really as a poor vocalist live.
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BTW, why does everyone want Nicole to do urban music? I mean her last album was urban and that didn't go as well as planned, maybe she just needs to do something different... As a fan I'd just like Nicole to make good music whatever genre it is, doesn't have to be urban, just has to be good.
Big Fat Lie suffered from poor production though, the only song that was really urban was Bang. A big portion was basically pop music and the rest was pop influenced by urban elements like First Time and Electric Blue. The production gave it at some points more mixtape-esque vibes, which I don't mind personally.
But I guess a lot people would like her to do urban influenced pop music, but actually done by people who have a better ear to fit current trends, while still delivering fresh and top notch material.
The Dream and Tricky really did a sloppy job with Big Fat Lie. For producers who delivered hits as Umbrella and Single Ladies, they really gave Nicole crap in comparison. Not saying either Umbrella or Single Ladies are the best songs ever, but those songs had something instant and catchy, with simple but effective lyrics. Big Fat Lie missed that for a big part, The album is a grower as a whole with loads of loose ends that easily could have solved.
Though anyways. At this point we really should be happy with whatever we get from her. I really don't mind whatever genre she does. Aslong as she gets people who can actually write a good song lyrically and know how to handle a good production.
The only problem I have with that fake accent in Right There is that it felt more or less like a gimmick and experiment that sounded fun in the studio but wasn't thought out to actually fit in a live setting. I mean performance wise she does a tight job, but damn I cringe everytime the moment she sings the first word. It really doesn't sounds good to me A woman that can sing beautiful classical and musical songs and even hit the right notes on more rock influenced songs, that tries to sing with a fake accent that really makes her sound really as a poor vocalist live.
Big Fat Lie suffered from poor production though, the only song that was really urban was Bang. A big portion was basically pop music and the rest was pop influenced by urban elements like First Time and Electric Blue. The production gave it at some points more mixtape-esque vibes, which I don't mind personally.
But I guess a lot people would like her to do urban influenced pop music, but actually done by people who have a better ear to fit current trends, while still delivering fresh and top notch material.
The Dream and Tricky really did a sloppy job with Big Fat Lie. For producers who delivered hits as Umbrella and Single Ladies, they really gave Nicole crap in comparison. Not saying either Umbrella or Single Ladies are the best songs ever, but those songs had something instant and catchy, with simple but effective lyrics. Big Fat Lie missed that for a big part, The album is a grower as a whole with loads of loose ends that easily could have solved.
Though anyways. At this point we really should be happy with whatever we get from her. I really don't mind whatever genre she does. Aslong as she gets people who can actually write a good song lyrically and know how to handle a good production.
Big Fat Lie is FAR from Pop. Your Love is as pop as it gets with this album. All the songs have a dark, vibe-y feel. Nothing about the production screams POP. Big Fat Lie is not commercial, the songs don't have typical pop choruses, nothing about the arrangements or the structures sound like Pop.
I disagree with people saying the production on Big Fat Lie is sloppy. Do you guys even realize what Nicole was aiming to do with this album? She's opened up about a lot of things. The album is dark and feels a bit depressing, but it's actually very uplifting. Just, take your time with each song, listen closely to every lyric and you might understand what Nicole tried to achieve with this album.
I feel like this album was a gift for the fans, to get to know Nicole and her story. I've been listening to the album a lot more lately, and i always find new appreciation for every song after every listen.
I seriously don't find ANY song to be bad. I even started appreciating the greatness that is On The Rocks.
This album literally feels like Nicole. NO ONE ELSE. Which is the most important part. I would rather have Nicole serve me with 10 Big Fat Lies than 10 Killer Loves, which are generic and trendy.
You don't see NICOLE in Killer Love. You don't hear NICOLE in Killer Love. Yeah, the singles did better and the album sold more because it was commercial and appealed to the POP fans.
But that's not where Nicole is at this time of her career. As she grows older, the less she has to deal with the Pop nonsense. She is a real artist, with great musicianship. She is slowly working on her legacy.
I would rather Nicole release quality songs that don't really smash now, but might have an impact after a few years, than release pop garbage and then fall into oblivion after a few years. Because that's what happens with Pop starts. After they reach a certain age, they disappear.
Do you see Katy Perry making it past 33? NO. Because yeah, the songs she's releasing right now appeal to the younger generation and to the pop fans. But after she's 33 and older, people won't listen to any of her songs about lollipops and marshmallows, and candy clouds and teenage dreams. Then, she will disappear because that's as far her artistry goes.
Nicole is much bigger than Pop music. Y'all should realize that and accept the fact that Nicole is done trying to fit in the pop bubble and release garbage music to get a few hits. She'll do music that inspire her, and can inspire others too.
She DID inspire me with Big Fat Lie. I might be one of the few, but some of the songs on that album touched me. You can hear every story behind every song. That is RARE.
I definitely think "Right There" is one of her best singles. Jim Jonsin did a great job with the production and it made the song different from those Ester Dean-Stargate songs. I'm fine with Ester Dean's fake accent in the song, but a lot of people that it was corny and an attempt to emulate to Rihanna. And like J-esper pointed out, it was hard to recreate live and her performances suffered for it. That first American Idol performance was terrible and really killed the song from the beginning.
I don't get the need for urban Nicole either. I'm fine with her doing anything as long as it sounds good. Big Fat Lie was terrible because she tried so hard to be something when it should be natural. I'm glad she's working with unknown producers and DJs. I hope she has the guts to just release something instead of playing with it over and over until the time passes and it's too late.
Also, I think going for musical theatre and power ballads would be a good idea since she needs brush off the "Don't Cha" PCD image people have tied to her.
@cypriot: How does Big Fat Lie "feel like Nicole" when she didn't write or produce any of the songs on it? It was her attempt to pander to all those "we want urban Nicole" comments and come up with a quality body of work, but it just didn't work.
I definitely think "Right There" is one of her best singles. Jim Jonsin did a great job with the production and it made the song different from those Ester Dean-Stargate songs. I'm fine with Ester Dean's fake accent in the song, but a lot of people that it was corny and an attempt to emulate to Rihanna. And like J-esper pointed out, it was hard to recreate live and her performances suffered for it. That first American Idol performance was terrible and really killed the song from the beginning.
I don't get the need for urban Nicole either. I'm fine with her doing anything as long as it sounds good. Big Fat Lie was terrible because she tried so hard to be something when it should be natural. I'm glad she's working with unknown producers and DJs. I hope she has the guts to just release something instead of playing with it over and over until the time passes and it's too late.
Also, I think going for musical theatre and power ballads would be a good idea since she needs brush off the "Don't Cha" PCD image people have tied to her.
@cypriot: How does Big Fat Lie "feel like Nicole" when she didn't write or produce any of the songs on it? It was her attempt to pander to all those "we want urban Nicole" comments and come up with a quality body of work, but it just didn't work.
Are you being serious or just trolling? you don't HAVE to write a song for it to represent you. What kind of nonsense? Nicole was there through EVERY part of recording, to mastering to CREATING this album. She had the MOST creative control over it. Each song was written BASED on Nicole and her stories.
You obviously haven't really LISTENED to this album if you make such statements. The songs are about Nicole's story. She is sharing her story, her pain, her struggles, what she's been through.
She doesn't have to be the one holding the pen in order for a song to sound like NICOLE. She recorded this album with JUST The Dream and Tricky, in a house, just the three of them. She obviously shared her stories, what she wanted to sing about, EVERYTHING, and the boys helped craft each song. But all the songs are 100% Nicole. If you can't see that, then you don't see Nicole as the artist that she is, or the person that she is. She even talked about the process of recording this album in a lot of interviews.
Go back and listen to some of those interviews, receive your education and THEN make claims that this album doesn't sound like Nicole.
I've already listen to the album many times and watched all the interviews. Just because she says multiple times that the album is her doesn't mean it is. And songs written based on Nicole's experiences and struggles? What? Like the title song "Big Fat Lie," which has the emotional depth of a Britney Spears song? Give me a break.
By the way, Nicole has co-written and co-produced plenty of songs in the past. The fact that she didn't touch any of them and just spoke to them says volumes.
I've already listen to the album many times and watched all the interviews. Just because she says multiple times that the album is her doesn't mean it is. And songs written based on Nicole's experiences and struggles? What? Like the title song "Big Fat Lie," which has the emotional depth of a Britney Spears song? Give me a break.
By the way, Nicole has co-written and co-produced plenty of songs in the past. The fact that she didn't touch any of them and just spoke to them says volumes.
Not one of her most PERSONAL songs.
You just destroyed any credibility you had with that comment. I can't take anything serious from you from now on, after that.
Do you even realize what Nicole has gone through in this industry? How many people tried taking over her, and destroy her artistry and musicianship? Or are you just talking just for the fun of it?
The majority of the songs she has recorded were PUSHED on her by labels e.t.c
And this is why I get impatient where i hear these booty songs, because i'm like, Really girl?
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You feel impatient? How do you think I feel? They trynna have me rap, i don't know how to rap, ok?
For a person who's pretending to be a Nicole fan, you are awfully uneducated.
Try listening to this interviews, and you might learn a thing or two. And THEN tell me Big Fat Lie is not all Nicole.
The fact that you're convinced that "Big Fat Lie" is a great, personal song with emotional depth is disturbing and shows your own lack of credibility along with your strong stan bias for Nicole. The song has as much substance as a Katy Perry song or "Lucky" by Britney Spears (which is actually pretty much the same type of song). It's really superficial and sounds like something written by an adolescent.
I'm not sure why you included that interview line about "AmenJena" as your argument because it just proves my point. That's actually a good example of a personal song that Nicole actually co-wrote and is not on Big Fat Lie.
And I don't know why you're pointing me to those interviews when I've watched the Black Hollywood one (pretty sure I posted in this base when it was posted on Vimeo last year) and listened to the Soundcloud one when you posted it.
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Do you even realize what Nicole has gone through in this industry? How many people tried taking over her, and destroy her artistry and musicianship? Or are you just talking just for the fun of it?
What on earth does that have to do with Big Fat Lie? Again, you're confirming my point. None of those struggles are displayed on songs in the album. Again, not very personal.
The fact that you're convinced that "Big Fat Lie" is a great, personal song with emotional depth is disturbing and shows your own lack of credibility along with your strong stan bias for Nicole. The song has as much substance as a Katy Perry song or "Lucky" by Britney Spears (which is actually pretty much the same type of song). It's really superficial and sounds like something written by an adolescent.
I'm not sure why you included that interview line about "AmenJena" as your argument because it just proves my point. That's actually a good example of a personal song that Nicole actually co-wrote and is not on Big Fat Lie.
And I don't know why you're pointing me to those interviews when I've watched the Black Hollywood one (pretty sure I posted in this base when it was posted on Vimeo last year) and listened to the Soundcloud one when you posted it.
What on earth does that have to do with Big Fat Lie? Again, you're confirming my point. None of those struggles are displayed on songs in the album. Again, not very personal.
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I ain't never had my heart broken
When I say that, I should start choking
I could say I never lacked a father figure
But I only seek out men to be my father figure
I'm never alone, I'm so famous
But still I'm prescribed pills to make it painless
I'm so pretty, huh, got it so goodie, huh
California days, they say it never rains
But why does it seems my make-up's never dry
And if my life's like a perfect sky
Why I feel gray inside?
And if I'm living such a wonderful high
Why don't I feel alive
But I'm a keep my tears to me
But the truth between me and you
Just know I'm living a big fat lie
Lie, lie, lie, lie
You know I love to lie
Lie, lie, lie, lie
I'm living a big fat lie
Lie, lie, lie, lie
You know I love to lie If you look past my features, just a little deeper
I'm living a big fat lie
Airbrush on my pictures
Make my legs a little thinner
Eyes just a little lighter
Now make my ass just a little bigger
Yeah, now autotune my tone
Big smile, take a bow
Go with it, read the prompter
California days, they say it never rains
But why does it seems my make-up's never dry
And if my life's like a perfect sky
Why I feel gray inside?
And if I'm living such a wonderful high
Why don't I feel alive
But I'm a keep my tears to me
But the truth between me and you Just know I'm living a big fat lie
Lie, lie, lie, lie
You know I love to lie
Lie, lie, lie, lie
I'm living a big fat lie
Lie, lie, lie, lie
You know I love to lie
If you look past my features, just a little deeper
I'm living a big fat lie
Only a problem has all the answers
That's the secret
And I don't wanna fail you
But I wish I could tell you
It's our little secret
(You know I love to lie)
Lie, lie, lie, lie
You know I love to lie
(You know I love to lie)
Lie, lie, lie, lie
I'm living a big fat lie
(You know I love to lie)
Lie, lie, lie, lie
You know I love to lie
If you look past my features, just a little deeper
I'm living a big fat lie
BYE
AGAIN, Nicole doesn't have to WRITE the song on her own for it to serve her purpose and tell her story. What kind of nonsense is this? She shares her story with The Dream and Tricky and they help create the song TOGETHER. If she doesn't like something, she changes it. She was there throughout everything, from creating to mastering the album. She didn't have any label people there to tell her what to record or what to sing about. She recorded songs that meant something to her, that told her story.
Why is that hard for you to accept that? you don't have to hold the pen to create a song that's all you.
AGAIN, Nicole doesn't have to WRITE the song on her own for it to serve her purpose and tell her story. What kind of nonsense is this? She shares her story with The Dream and Tricky and they help create the song TOGETHER. If she doesn't like something, she changes it. She was there throughout everything, from creating to mastering the album. She didn't have any label people there to tell her what to record or what to sing about. She recorded songs that meant something to her, that told her story.
Why is that hard for you to accept that? you don't have to hold the pen to create a song that's all you.
Bye? Those lyrics are just like "Lucky" by Britney Spears except with photoshop and autotune references. There is nothing meaningful about it. It's really superficial like something written by an angsty high school "artist." Give me a break.
And no, she doesn't to have to write it herself to tell her own story, but there's not much of a story in the album. "Just a Girl" was another failed attempt to be meaningful. What major struggle was supposed to be conveyed in that song? Just because there was no label telling her what to do doesn't make it meaningful and neither is being there for the mastering of the album.
Again, "AmenJena" is a meaningful song (regardless of who wrote it) and the fact that Nicole co-wrote just confirms how personal it is. It's no surprise that it's a song of quality, not "Big Fat Lie" or "Just a Girl." Next you'll be telling us how "Electric Blue," "First Time" "Bang" are also meaningful, personal songs.
Bye? Those lyrics are just like "Lucky" by Britney Spears except with photoshop and autotune references. There is nothing meaningful about it. It's really superficial like something written by an angsty high school "artist." Give me a break.
And no, she doesn't to have to write it herself to tell her own story, but there's not much of a story in the album. "Just a Girl" was another failed attempt to be meaningful. What major struggle was supposed to be conveyed in that song? Just because there was no label telling her what to do doesn't make it meaningful and neither is being there for the mastering of the album.
Again, "AmenJena" is a meaningful song (regardless of who wrote it) and the fact that Nicole co-wrote just confirms how personal it is. It's no surprise that it's a song of quality, not "Big Fat Lie" or "Just a Girl." Next you'll be telling us how "Electric Blue," "First Time" "Bang" are also meaningful, personal songs.
You don't even know what you're talking about
So, talking about how the industry is trying to CHANGE her, and her appearance, and her voice, to try and make her superficial and fit in the bubble is 'angsty high school artist'?
What was she suppose to sing about?
Why don't you write a few lyrics since you're all about the quality?
Anyways, i'm done with this silly conversation which is leading nowhere. At the end of the day, you have your opinion/taste, and i have mine. Nothing you've said will change the way i see things, and i'm sure that stands with you as well. So let's just leave it at that.
So, talking about how the industry is trying to CHANGE her, and her appearance, and her voice, to try and make her superficial and fit in the bubble is 'angsty high school artist'?
What was she suppose to sing about?
Why don't you write a few lyrics since you're all about the quality?
Anyways, i'm done with this silly conversation which is leading nowhere. At the end of the day, you have your opinion/taste, and i have mine. Nothing you've said will change the way i see things, and i'm sure that stands with you as well. So let's just leave it at that.
And that line right there really reinforces how silly and biased you are. That's exactly what a 12-year-old replies with when they disagree with someone.
A song with a line about people photoshopping her pictures and autotuning her tone is not deep and meaningful no matter how you try to spin it. Without your logic, songs like "Lucky" and "Firework" are hugely meaningful when in reality, they're superficial and lacking substance. I bet if Nicole sang those songs, you would write speeches about how they were poetic masterpieces.
"Big Fat Lie" was supposed to be a song about how the supposed glamour and fame of her time in the spotlight (PCD) was not how it appeared to be because in reality, she was actually suffering behind closed doors. She explicitly said that she might not be doing well commercially solo, but she's happier doing things herself. She's talked about the experience in multiple interviews so you should be familiar with it. Unfortunately the actual song doesn't deliver. It's not very personal. It's a generic idea of fame and money not being as great as it's cracked up to be, the ugly side of it and being sad about it like "Lucky" is.
By the way, "try to make her superficial"? Nicole has always sold a superficial, sexy image from the beginning of her career with Eden's Crush to this day. It's her doing even when she didn't even have a label (after Interscope dropped her) behind her so I highly doubt that's an actual complaint from her. She chooses to be that sex siren for who knows what reason.
Big Fat Lie is FAR from Pop. Your Love is as pop as it gets with this album. All the songs have a dark, vibe-y feel. Nothing about the production screams POP. Big Fat Lie is not commercial, the songs don't have typical pop choruses, nothing about the arrangements or the structures sound like Pop.
I disagree with people saying the production on Big Fat Lie is sloppy. Do you guys even realize what Nicole was aiming to do with this album? She's opened up about a lot of things. The album is dark and feels a bit depressing, but it's actually very uplifting. Just, take your time with each song, listen closely to every lyric and you might understand what Nicole tried to achieve with this album.
I feel like this album was a gift for the fans, to get to know Nicole and her story. I've been listening to the album a lot more lately, and i always find new appreciation for every song after every listen.
I seriously don't find ANY song to be bad. I even started appreciating the greatness that is On The Rocks.
This album literally feels like Nicole. NO ONE ELSE. Which is the most important part. I would rather have Nicole serve me with 10 Big Fat Lies than 10 Killer Loves, which are generic and trendy.
You don't see NICOLE in Killer Love. You don't hear NICOLE in Killer Love. Yeah, the singles did better and the album sold more because it was commercial and appealed to the POP fans.
But that's not where Nicole is at this time of her career. As she grows older, the less she has to deal with the Pop nonsense. She is a real artist, with great musicianship. She is slowly working on her legacy.
I would rather Nicole release quality songs that don't really smash now, but might have an impact after a few years, than release pop garbage and then fall into oblivion after a few years. Because that's what happens with Pop starts. After they reach a certain age, they disappear.
Do you see Katy Perry making it past 33? NO. Because yeah, the songs she's releasing right now appeal to the younger generation and to the pop fans. But after she's 33 and older, people won't listen to any of her songs about lollipops and marshmallows, and candy clouds and teenage dreams. Then, she will disappear because that's as far her artistry goes.
Nicole is much bigger than Pop music. Y'all should realize that and accept the fact that Nicole is done trying to fit in the pop bubble and release garbage music to get a few hits. She'll do music that inspire her, and can inspire others too.
She DID inspire me with Big Fat Lie. I might be one of the few, but some of the songs on that album touched me. You can hear every story behind every song. That is RARE.
let's agree to disagree then since I agree with Inverted with the personal part and even though the album is not straight up commercial pop music, it is still pop at it's core. A song like On The rocks was written from a commercial pop perspective though. The chorus is meant to stick, just like Your love and some other songs on the album.
The pop genre is much broader than simply commercial music. I have listened every song countless times. I even like it better as a piece than KL. I was probably one fo the few people who kept defending the album on several forums. But initially as time striked buy, I just noticed that some songs just suffer either productional or lyricwise, atleast for me personally and I begin to see some complains at certain songs. I don't say the songs are bad though, atleast not for me personally. I get what she tried to do. The problem is that I still feel that she suffered because of financial reasons. I feel if she didn't recorded the album inbetween labels, but actually had financial support during the recordingsessions that certain songs would have been taken more care of. She should have made herself more involved, to actually tell her story. I mean it's nice she was there during the whole process and handpicked songs, maybe got some songs written with her in mind and some songs rewritten for her. but I feel she actually has talent enough to do it herself. She co-wrote almost whole HNIN, various PCD songs etc. I know she doesn't have to write everything, but I feel she has more to say than what Big Fat Lie told. Which I agree with Inverted. It is a more a sugarcoated commercial message for fame, like Lucky,
I certainly don't need KL part II or a straight up commercial album. Because she is at an age that I don't see commercial pop music opening any doors for her anymore.
