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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Marvin
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I don't see how this is an issue. I also don't get the whole Bernie supporter frenzy over it all of the sudden after NH.
This is how the DNC has operated for decades, the reasons for superdelegates are quite clear regardless of whether you agree with them, and it's his vote. He's not pledged by election via a caucus or primary and he's under no obligation to fall to pressure from Sanders or his supporters.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
This current Trump speech is awful. He is really doing damage to himself re-litigating Iraq when he clearly is not that well versed on it.
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I think he's trying to position himself for the general election albeit a bit too early lol. He's gonna make a push to appeal to blue some Dems
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by Marvin
He never wrote that, he cited it from a study. That was also over 40 years ago. But I guess what happened 40 years ago is enough to make decision on who to vote for? Good thing he never campaigned for conservatives. That would REALLY make him unelectable  |
Do you think Republicans are going to care about whether Bernie was citing a study when they run their attack ads on him?
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by Retro
I don't see how this is an issue. I also don't get the whole Bernie supporter frenzy over it all of the sudden after NH.
This is how the DNC has operated for decades, the reasons for superdelegates are quite clear regardless of whether you agree with them, and it's his vote. He's not pledged by election via a caucus or primary and he's under no obligation to fall to pressure from Sanders or his supporters.
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It just doesn't feel very democratic to purposely go against the vote of the people. I'd be saying the same thing if Hillary was in this situation.
The DNC and superdelegates basically choose who gets nominated whether the people want that candidate or not.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Marvin
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What's wrong with this? He prefers Clinton.
Superdelegates aren't obliged to follow the pledged delegates. Superdelegates have never and will never choose their candidate. They don't have that much power
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Marvin
It just doesn't feel very democratic to purposely go against the vote of the people. I'd be saying the same thing if Hillary was in this situation.
The DNC and superdelegates basically choose who gets nominated whether the people want that candidate or not.
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But that's the point; the DNC has about 20% of the decision. Like I know it might not sound the best but I agree with their reasoning. They're not an officially-sanctioned public elections body in the same way as, for example, a state's Secretary of Stat office; the system has little to do with the actual elections, but instead serves as something to narrow down the endorsement of the Party and the direction that financial support will go. It's a lot more internal than one might envision it.
Like I said when this was all discussed last, the real thing here is that the DNC reserves the right as a legal entity separate from the government to have some measure of influence over who it chooses to represent it on a national stage.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
What's wrong with this? He prefers Clinton.
Superdelegates aren't obliged to follow the pledged delegates. Superdelegates have never and will never choose their candidate. They don't have that much power
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This is why I'm not really concerned with it but it's just a bit worrying that if the superdelegates REALLY wanted Hillary over Bernie even if she lost the popular vote, they could very well do that.
But like you said they're not that powerful. I really hope it doesn't come down to superdelegates because people would revolt against the DNC 
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Originally posted by Retro
But that's the point; the DNC has about 20% of the decision. Like I know it might not sound the best but I agree with their reasoning. They're not an officially-sanctioned public elections body in the same way as, for example, a state's Secretary of Stat office; the system has little to do with the actual elections, but instead serves as something to narrow down the endorsement of the Party and the direction that financial support will go. It's a lot more internal than one might envision it.
Like I said when this was all discussed last, the real thing here is that the DNC reserves the right as a legal entity separate from the government to have some measure of influence over who it chooses to represent it on a national stage.
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Yeah true I never thought of it like that. I guess you can't be mad at them for doing what they want for their business.
On a slightly related note, Tim Canova is running against the DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Well yeah there's always a slightly small chance they do factor in  . But it hasn't ever happened so I wouldn't think too much of it on a pure delegate basis. Superdelegates do however have a good track record of predicting the nominee
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First post-debate GOP poll by SC House Republican Caucus.
1300+ Respondents / Margin of Error: 2.83
Trump 32.65%
Rubio 14.02%
Cruz 13.94%
Bush 13.39%
Kasich 9.87%
Carson 5.79%
Undecided 10.34%
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David is always so messy for the shade he throw at Hillary and Bernie. This is his newest tweet
@davidaxelrod: Coming soon to a debate stage or attack ad near you: Left-leaning economists savage @SenSanders budget math. http://nyti.ms/1R4ziAi
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Originally posted by foxaylove
David is always so messy for the shade he throw at Hillary and Bernie. This is his newest tweet
@davidaxelrod: Coming soon to a debate stage or attack ad near you: Left-leaning economists savage @SenSanders budget math. http://nyti.ms/1R4ziAi |
Those economists are corporate shills obviously.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Well yeah there's always a slightly small chance they do factor in . But it hasn't ever happened so I wouldn't think too much of it on a pure delegate basis. Superdelegates do however have a good track record of predicting the nominee |
I was going to make a comment about how superdelegates are only an issue now because a lot of Bernie fans have never followed an election, and thus were unfamiliar with them, but that would be presumptuous. 
But yeah, if Sanders starts winning tons of states, they'll switch. It's such a non-issue.
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New SC poll from Gravis, Clinton 59, Sanders 41
Trump @ 37%. Ben Carson really needs to drop out.
The crosstabs are super ******, it's a shame we can't see the demographic breakdown per party.
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Originally posted by Benzene
New SC poll from Gravis, Clinton 59, Sanders 41
Trump @ 37%. Ben Carson really needs to drop out.
The crosstabs are super ******, it's a shame we can't see the demographic breakdown per party. |
This random sample also is representative of SC too. So this is good to see as a Clinton fan. I was told by detractors the last CBS/YouGov poll had too many AA in it
Another PPP poll has her up +21 (55-34).
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Anytime a justices has died while in office, they were generally replaced (nominated and confirmed) within a month! Here is every supreme court justice who died in office since the 40s, all of them were replaced within a month, except for Jackson, and I think that was because it was during Brown V Board of Education. History shows having a vacancy for a long time is unprecedented and not ideal simply in terms of efficiency.
| Justice | Death | Replacement Confirmation | Total Vacancy | Fred M. Vinson | September 8, 1953, | October 1, 1953. (Recess Appointment) March 1, 1954 (official) | 22 days or 196 days |
William Rehnquist | September 3, 2005 | September 29, 2005 | 26 days |
Wiley Blount Rutledge | September 10, 1949 | October 3, 1949 | 23 days |
Robert Houghwout Jackson | October 9, 1954 | March 17, 1955 | 159 days |
William Francis Murphy | July 19th, 1949 | August 19, 1949 | 31 days
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I rest my case.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
https://www.facebook.com/VIsForVolun...type=3&theater
Mess
I'm very upset about many things that came from the DNC this cycle, I do think there are a lot of games and a lot of corruption in the Democratic Party (my views align way more with the Green Party but I don't know how much integrity they have, I haven't done my research)
I do disagree tho with what that post says about not supporting Hillary when she wins the convention in order to make a statement; allowing someone like Cruz, Trump, Bush or Rubio to get the nomination would be absolutely destructive. I'm ready to support Hillary and recruit my friends if she gets the nomination.
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That is a mess. Although, Bernie should get more credit. He already has come a lot farther than Ron Paul ever did. 
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Originally posted by RatedG²
This random sample also is representative of SC too. So this is good to see as a Clinton fan. I was told by detractors the last CBS/YouGov poll had too many AA in it
Another PPP poll basher up +21 (55-34).
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There's some quality spinning of these polls on Reddit and Dailykos (or Dailybern these days).
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Most of the poll took place on Valentines Day. So a lot of people were too busy to answer polls. Gotta have had an effect on the polls.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Benzene
There's some quality spinning of these polls on Reddit and Dailykos (or Dailybern these days).
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Oh my god  . I hate dailykos but both sites are like stepping into an HA Goodman world
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Looking likely that Sri Srinivasan will be the nominee for the Supreme Court. If Republicans block him, it'll only make them look bad because he had a 97-0 vote by the Senate in 2013 when Obama appointed him for US Circuit Judge of DC.
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