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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Trump would be wise in my opinion to just leave Bush in the past. He's playing into exactly what his opponents want.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by HausofNiko
How do you think Bill would do as a First Man? Will he be active like Michelle, Hillary, Jackie and others, or will he be just there since he's already been a president?
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If there is one thing I can assure you about Bill it's that he will definitely be... active 
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Trump would be wise in my opinion to just leave Bush in the past. He's playing into exactly what his opponents want.
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Normally I'd agree with you but for some reason he seemed to build on his lead talking about the Bush family.
Although it was very stupid of him during the debate to talk about 9/11 and WMD in South Carolina 
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Trump would be wise in my opinion to just leave Bush in the past. He's playing into exactly what his opponents want.
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If he had went at Cruz like that I would agree with you. Going at Bush and letting Marco and Cruz cut each other up was the smart move. Kasich is out of money and I don't see him making it to Super Tuesday, and I expect Carson to drop out after SC as well.
In other words, it didn't hurt Trump, I think some polls have him +16 and some expanding his lead in SC. I don't see Bush dropping out but I think Trump was taunting him and going after his pride; maybe just to keep him in the race a bit longer.
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Trump is smart, he's already angling for the general election. He sees the finish line.
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George W. will be having hostile press when he starts campaigning this week.
He'll be asked about Trump all the time - and Trump's friend Roger Stone is dropping his anti-Bush book Jeb and the Bush Crime Family on Tuesday. Promo.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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https://www.facebook.com/VIsForVolun...type=3&theater
Mess 
I'm very upset about many things that came from the DNC this cycle, I do think there are a lot of games and a lot of corruption in the Democratic Party (my views align way more with the Green Party but I don't know how much integrity they have, I haven't done my research)
I do disagree tho with what that post says about not supporting Hillary when she wins the convention in order to make a statement; allowing someone like Cruz, Trump, Bush or Rubio to get the nomination would be absolutely destructive. I'm ready to support Hillary and recruit my friends if she gets the nomination.
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Just read another older article about a young Hillary Rodham written back in 2007. I know most of her background, but it's always interesting to get a in-depth glance of her from back in the day when she transformed from the family raised Republican to the college evolved Democrat.
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In September 1968, Hillary Diane Rodham, role model and student government president, was addressing Wellesley College freshmen girls — back when they were still called “girls” — about methods of protest. It was a hot topic in that overheated year of what she termed “confrontation politics from Chicago to Czechoslovakia.”
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As the nation boiled over Vietnam, civil rights and the slayings of two charismatic leaders, Ms. Rodham was completing a sweeping intellectual, political and stylistic shift. She came to Wellesley as an 18-year-old Republican, a copy of Barry Goldwater’s right-wing treatise, “The Conscience of a Conservative,” on the shelf of her freshman dorm room. She would leave as an antiwar Democrat whose public rebuke of a Republican senator in a graduation speech won her notice in Life magazine as a voice for her generation.
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She attended both the Republican National Convention in Miami (bunking at the Fontainebleu Hotel, ordering room service for the first time — cereal and a daintily wrapped peach) and the Democratic donnybrook in Chicago (smelling tear gas at Grant Park, watching a toilet fly out the window of the Hilton hotel).
The day after the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was slain, she joined a demonstration in Post Office Square in Boston, returning to campus wearing a black armband.
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Friends say she had a playful streak, was game for road trips to Vermont and Cape Cod, and liked to call people by goofy nicknames. “She would sometimes refer to herself in the third person as “the Hill,” or “the Hill woman,” said her Wellesley classmate Nancy Pietrafesa, whose childhood moniker, Peach, sometimes became Peacharoo or Peacharooni in Hill-speak.
Unlike many of her peers, she never experimented with illegal drugs, Mrs. Clinton said. She embraced collegiate social rituals, attending mixers, showing up to Harvard football games (often with a book, a friend recalls) and planning a strawberries-and-cream bridal shower atop the Wellesley Bell Tower for a roommate, Johanna Branson.
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Still, she was something of a sponge for all the angst and argument engulfing her generation. Ms. Shapiro recalled going to do errands one afternoon when Ms. Rodham handed her an unopened bottle of perfume she had bought and asked her to return it to the store.
“I asked why,” Ms. Shapiro recalled. “Her answer was that it was an extravagance she felt guilty about indulging in when there was so much poverty around us. We were increasingly sensitive to issues of what we now call white privilege. ”
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When Dr. King was killed on the balcony of a Memphis motel on April 4, 1968, Ms. Rodham was devastated. “I can’t take it anymore,” she screamed after learning the news, her friends recalled. Crying, Ms. Rodham stormed into her dormitory room and hurled her book bag against the wall. Later, she made a telephone call to a close friend, Karen Williamson, the head of the black student organization on campus, to offer sympathy.
Ms. Rodham, who met Dr. King after a speech in Chicago in 1962, had admired his methodical approach to social change, favoring it over what she considered the excessively combative methods of groups like the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee, or S.N.C.C., pronounced snick.
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After Dr. King’s assassination provoked riots in cities and unrest on campuses, Ms. Rodham worried that protesters would shut down Wellesley (not constructive). She helped organize a two-day strike (more pragmatic) and worked closely with Wellesley’s few black students (only 6 in her class of 401) in reaching moderate, achievable change — such as recruiting more black students and hiring black professors (there had been none). Eschewing megaphones and sit-ins, she organized meetings, lectures and seminars, designed to be educational.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/us...05clinton.html
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Bernie imma need you NOT to attend church services please
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Finally caught up on that messy debate. 
As if this election could get more chaotic, Trump's new hostility towards the Bushes and the Scalia factor 
This election will go down in history like '00, '92, and '80.
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Bernie imma need you NOT to attend church services please |
I thought he was Jewish?
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I though he was Jewish?
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He's an atheist. But even the Dems have to religious pander in SC.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Trump would be wise in my opinion to just leave Bush in the past. He's playing into exactly what his opponents want.
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No one liked the George W years (otherwise Jeb wouldn't have the sky high unfavorables w/Republicans that he does, almost like he killed someone)
And if Trump wins SC (which he will) the Bush legacy is dead and buried.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
He's an atheist. But even the Dems have to religious pander in SC.
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Wow.
And people expect him to win a GE?
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All Hilary has to do is run an ad about him being an atheist in SC and 75% of blacks won't touch him. Sad but true.
He'll also never win Florida in the general election when the GOP plays ads showing his support for Fidel Castro.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Damien M
No one liked the George W years (otherwise Jeb wouldn't have the sky high unfavorables w/Republicans that he does, almost like he killed someone)
And if Trump wins SC (which he will) the Bush legacy is dead and buried.
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I think he's trying to ruin any positive impact Bush may have now that he's going to campaign for Jeb.
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Not practicing organized religion doesn't necessarily make you an atheist, although I certainly hope he is one.
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"I am not a single issue candidate and this is not a single issue country. Because if we were going to achieve everything about banks and money and politics, would that end racism?" she said, as Sanders sat in front of her. "Would that make it automatically going to happen that people will be able to get the jobs they deserve, the housing the need, the education their children should have? ... We have work to do."
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 Throwing out the racism card just to get pity votes. Sad.
Instead of attacking her opponent, how about she talk about her own plans?
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