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Why do people deny Janet is a legend?
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She is a legend but they probably weren't born during her peaks.
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It's mostly Britney stans fuming that Janet outcharted and outsold Myah Marie Jean and snatched a #1 album at 49 years old while Britney won't even have a recording deal at 49 years old, let alone chart
Not to mention Janet being the pop blueprint while Britney only influenced the likes of Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, Heidi Montag to start a music carreer
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Originally posted by Luma
She is a legend but they probably weren't born during her peaks.
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I wasn't listening to music during Madonna or Mariah's peaks and I know they're legends 
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I don't know a single person who knows who she is
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Originally posted by Nait Phoenix
The reason for her denial is because she was always seen as the younger sister of Michael Jackson, who was already a global icon when she debuted, and hardly as her own person. Thing is, though, without Janet, Michael's legacy would've been tarnished beyond repair as well, but people tend to let that go since it worked out and there's little evidence that points it out as such. That being said, denying her being a legend is a crime in itself, because all the pop artists nowadays who still cling to their dancing roots name either Michael or Janet as their inspiration. Britney, Mariah, Justin Timberlake, Bruno Mars, Adam Levine, Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Jennifer Lopez, Shakira, BoA, Cheryl, Lee Hyori, Girls' Generation, Wonder Girls, etc. have all in one way or the other been influenced and have admitted to being influenced by Janet Jackson in some form. So, to say she is not a global icon is fair, she's a global icon to a lot of your global icons, and is partially responsible for them being big superstars today… Say she's not a legend; without her, some of your favorite artists that you consider budding legends wouldn't be who they are today…
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Wow, very well said! I agree with much of this. 
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Originally posted by Chimier
It's self-importance. When you have the tools at your disposal to research and choose not to, or you do, and still deny, it's self-importance.
Lacks cultural capital? She's referenced in popular culture ALL the time. And if you haven't come across a lot of popular culture Janet references, that simply means you haven't come across them, not that she's lacking.
Considered by whom? Which poll or census do you guys take to find these things out? Is she considered that in Ireland or by SOME people you've come across who live in/are from Ireland? Because that's not the same thing at all.
Janet is important in a WORLDWIDE context. She introduced a new sound to popular music (EVERYWHERE) with New Jack Swing. Her performance presentation influenced artists on a WORLDWIDE scale.
You guys, whether you admit it or not, only say such nonsense because she hasn't sold as much as Mariah, Madonna, Whitney or whoever, hence the "I never heard..." or "she has no classics here..." etc. If she had another 50 million to her sales, none of these conversations would be happening.
What y'all don't understand is that you don't have to necessarily buy a person's records to be influenced by them. People can listen (and did listen) to songs on the radio and get influenced by an artist, or watch live performances. And with Janet being a performer, that's very essential.
For example, many Asian artists are very inspired by Janet and her performing. Is she one of the best-selling foreign artists there on par with Mariah? No.
What if Artist A directly influences Artists B-G and Artists B-G end up being more popular in certain parts of the world and influence artists in those areas? Is that not spreading the influence of Artist A on a worldwide scale? SURE is.
Sales have to do with a specific kind of popularity: CHART popularity. Were these songs/was this album promoted or presented in such a way that make me wanna go out and buy them/it? Do they catch my eye and ear? That's really all sales boil down to. Not influence.
Celine Dion is 2nd only to Madonna in sales and she in no way has had the influence on music or pop culture than Janet has, regardless of her 569840503948304959 album sales.
Y'all wanna talk about "context", but can never seem to discuss anything IN its correct context.
That doesn't matter, nor does is it relevant to the topic at hand.
Oh please stop. That doesn't wash at all. Being unaware of an artist's influence due to difference in culture has no bearing on the artist's status. It simply means you don't know.
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Ya'll stay letting Chimier book ya'll.
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Originally posted by slobro
It's mostly Britney stans fuming that Janet outcharted and outsold Myah Marie Jean and snatched a #1 album at 49 years old while Britney won't even have a recording deal at 49 years old, let alone chart
Not to mention Janet being the pop blueprint while Britney only influenced the likes of Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, Heidi Montag to start a music carreer
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This is exactly why Janet gets dragged on this site. Her album opened with 106k, less than Britney Jean despite bundling her album with tour tickets, and you rush to use her to try an discredit some artist you dislike.
The Army isn't even discrediting Janet and a considerable number of them have been fans of hers longer than you have 
Enjoy your warning point, though 
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Originally posted by slobro
It's mostly Britney stans fuming that Janet outcharted and outsold Myah Marie Jean and snatched a #1 album at 49 years old while Britney won't even have a recording deal at 49 years old, let alone chart
Not to mention Janet being the pop blueprint while Britney only influenced the likes of Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, Heidi Montag to start a music carreer
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Semi-agree with the first part of this. But I've noticed for quite a while now, long before Unbreakable was even announced, the Army far more than any other fan base being the majority of members who would continue to deny that Janet is a legend. So there must be other reasons behind it, but I don't know.
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Originally posted by Eternium
This is exactly why Janet gets dragged on this site. Her album opened with 106k, less than Britney Jean despite bundling her album with tour tickets, and you rush to use her to try an discredit some artist you dislike.
The Army isn't even discrediting Janet and a considerable number of them have been fans of hers longer than you have
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I don't think Billboard added bundles. Also, per billboard:
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"Somewhat unusually, Unbreakable hit No. 1 without the benefit of a single press interview by Jackson to promote the album."
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Britney had a top 10 hit, and a lengthy promo schedule for BJ, while Janet's promo schedule included random retweets and a trip to Paris fashion week.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
I don't think Billboard added bundles. Also, per billboard:
Britney had a top 10 hit, and a lengthy promo schedule for BJ, while Janet's promo schedule included random retweets and a trip to Paris fashion week.
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They count because she charged more than 99 cents for them.
I'm not discrediting Janet, I'm just saying that the only reason the Army seems to be hostile towards Janet is because it's generally in response to shade.
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She's not a legend. but she's an icon.
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Originally posted by Pristine
This is the same forum where 'Britney Jean Appreciation' threads are started. One can only take it so seriously.
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Originally posted by Chimier
You guys need to get over your self-importance.
"She's not a legend because EYE have never heard one song of hers"
"She isn't a legend because EYE only knew about her when I came on ATRL"
"She's not a legend because EYE don't hear about her where I live"
Yawn. Change the record. You don't know/didn't hear because YOU don't know/didn't here. Your lack of knowledge has no effect or bearing on Janet's influence and legacy or the history she made.
She's a legend. One of the greatest ever. Just say "I was born in 1996, all I know is Britney" and move on.
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Originally posted by Pecinta Mariah
She is a legend /endthread
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This.
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Originally posted by Eternium
They count because she charged more than 99 cents for them.
I'm not discrediting Janet, I'm just saying that the only reason the Army seems to be hostile towards Janet is because it's generally in response to shade.
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I don't think so. Madonna sold 359k with tour bundles, but Billboard didn't include them in their tally, hence why she opened at #2 with 121k or something like that.
http://www.billboard.com/biz/article...in-madonna-and
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Originally posted by Chimier
You guys need to get over your self-importance.
"She's not a legend because EYE have never heard one song of hers"
"She isn't a legend because EYE only knew about her when I came on ATRL"
"She's not a legend because EYE don't hear about her where I live"
Yawn. Change the record. You don't know/didn't hear because YOU don't know/didn't here. Your lack of knowledge has no effect or bearing on Janet's influence and legacy or the history she made.
She's a legend. One of the greatest ever. Just say "I was born in 1996, all I know is Britney" and move on.
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Drag them
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Originally posted by Rentboy
She's overshadowed by her brother who is a real legend. She pales in comparison.
And her voice is so weak & fragile.
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I hate this bum**** logic.
EVERYBODY PALES IN COMPARISON TO MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON'S 40 YEAR CAREER.
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Because I'm from Europe and her entire discography is virtually unknown to me
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
Janet is a legend to global audience just as much as Kylie is in the US.
Janet is only a legend in the US
Kylie is legend outside of US
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Janet has sold more records domestically and globally then Kylie 
Come again
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Member Since: 1/18/2012
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Originally posted by Eternium
They count because she charged more than 99 cents for them.
I'm not discrediting Janet, I'm just saying that the only reason the Army seems to be hostile towards Janet is because it's generally in response to shade.
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Aside from people like "Anticipating" who attack her anytime they can.
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because she isnt
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