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Discussion: Michael or Madonna: More acclaimed?
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Originally posted by KingKunta
My point what does Joey Caltrone have to do with this discussion about Michael Jackson and Madonna? The discussion was about them so why are you bringing up irrelevant information?
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Because you said that Madonna is more acclaimed than Michael because she has more music.
And then I said that´s not true. Because Joey has more music out than Madonna and Michael combinated, and yet he´s below both of them in the most acclaimed artist rank.
whi am I bringing up irrelevant information?
Because your argument is not true. And Joey is the proof 
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Originally posted by Madonno
You know.... is so sad when people said that Madonna is "embarrassing herself" nowadays because of her music and her point of view based on FUNNY, like Bitch I'm Madonna.
You call her talentless, attention *****, desperate... But you know what? You´re wrong.
Musicians are artist. Artist are supposed to express something from their own experiences of point of view the life. And the world, recently in the modern life, has asume that you don´t need to be talented for been considered an artist. Picasso wasn't talented in therms of technique. But he was capable of express a different world from his point of view.
Nowadays, he´s considered a great artist And he died making art. You said Madonna isn´t an artist because she cannot sing like Michael Jackson, she cannot "dance" like Michael Jackson, etc.. But for people who really know about art she is and ever will be an artist. She express herself in a very unique way through the world and blablablabla.
And thirty years before, she´s still making music and expressing herself. In the other hand, Michael Jackson, with all her talented, her ability for dance and make music... was absorbed by the "ego" and wasn't capable of manage her own life for express his point of view. And he died because of that, he mutilated his body because of that.
You can call Madonna a *****, an attention seeker, a desperate woman. But at the end of the day, she is the only one of her peers that still remain because she was/is and ever will be the only one capable of manage her life and still expressing herself and her point of view with art. And combination that with her personal life. Look at her children: all of them happy, educated an centred in life. Normal childrens. What the point of be "talented" as Michael Jackson, having a spectacular voice as Whitney, if any of them was capable of make art until their last breathe?
I personal prefer the only one who is centred.
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Originally posted by Madonno
Because you said that Madonna is more acclaimed than Michael because she has more music.
And then I said that´s not true. Because Joey has more music out than Madonna and Michael combinated, and yet he´s below both of them in the most acclaimed artist rank.
whi am I bringing up irrelevant information?
Because your argument is not true. And Joey is the proof |
I said she is higher on acclaimedmusic.net because she has more material, not overall...
I stated both MJ and Madonna are extremely acclaimed, so i'm wordering why you are bringing up Joey Caltrone? He's probably below them because he isn't in either of their leagues in critical acclamation. He probably doesn't have a Thriller not A Like A Prayer. He's probably acclaimed but not as much as MJ or Madonna, so bringing he's still irrelevant in this argument.
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I can't believe at the delusion in here.
Madonna would never ever ever ever be more acclaimed or respected as MJ!
People don't even see Madonna as a talent barely a artist, when being compared to MJ
Madonna is great but even she can't compare to The King. MJ is considered The Greatest of all time, the BEST to ever do it!
Madonna in all her greatest and glory could NEVER and I mean NEVER!
Madonna used sex scandal and controversy to get ahead in her career ... While Michael used his TALENT and took the world by storm!
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Originally posted by KingKunta
And lowest points in his career? If you're referrring to HIStory and Invincible, his only two studio albums not present on acclaimedmusic as the low point in his career, then that means Madonna has had several low points in her career. Erotica and Bedtime stories in the early 90s, American Life in the early 2000s, and everything after confessions of a dance floor 2006- present, so how does that make her more consistent critical acclaimation wise?
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Erotica and Bedtime Stories were low points when it comes to sales, but not acclaim. Actually, they are even more praised in retrospective when all the controversies are over, and many critics stated that Erotica marked Madonnas artistic peak.
American Life pissed the whole US because she showed them a mirror and dared to openly criticize the US foreign policy, for what she received huge backlash, radio ban (and earned my utmost respect even when it doesnt mean anything.)
AL was a much more positively received in countries outside US.
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Originally posted by KingKunta
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Grammar Nazi:
-someone who is too stupid to think of a reasoned response to any argument so resorts to attacking someone's grammar and spelling instead.
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English is not his native language, nor its mine.
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Originally posted by Materialboy215
I can't believe at the delusion in here.
Madonna would never ever ever ever be more acclaimed or respected as MJ!
People don't even see Madonna as a talent barely a artist, when being compared to MJ
Madonna is great but even she can't compare to The King. MJ is considered The Greatest of all time, the BEST to ever do it!
Madonna in all her greatest and glory could NEVER and I mean NEVER!
Madonna used sex scandal and controversy to get ahead in her career ... While Michael used his TALENT and took the world by storm!
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We are talking about critics not ''people'' 
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Originally posted by Materialboy215
I can't believe at the delusion in here.
Madonna would never ever ever ever be more acclaimed or respected as MJ!
People don't even see Madonna as a talent barely a artist, when being compared to MJ
Madonna is great but even she can't compare to The King. MJ is considered The Greatest of all time, the BEST to ever do it!
Madonna in all her greatest and glory could NEVER and I mean NEVER!
Madonna used sex scandal and controversy to get ahead in her career ... While Michael used his TALENT and took the world by storm!
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Naw that's The Beatles
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Erotica and Bedtime Stories were low points when it comes to sales, but not acclaim. Actually, they are even more praised in retrospective when all the controversies are over, and many critics stated that Erotica marked Madonnas artistic peak.
American Life pissed the whole US because she showed them a mirror and dared to openly criticize the US foreign policy, for what she received huge backlash, radio ban (and earned my utmost respect even when it doesnt mean anything.)
AL was a much more positively received in countries outside US.
English is not his native language, nor its mine.
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If they weren't low points then why are completly absent on acclaimedmusic? It's really cute how almost all of you were using this website earlier to justify her being more acclaimed, but now you all want to change the subject when you see it isn't as helpful as you thought it would be.
Also if english is his first language or not first of all i can't even decipher a lot of that, secondly it's completly irrelevant to the discussion. This thread was about MJ or Madonna was more acclaimed and now he is bringing up biased crap about their personal lives. I came in this thread to discuss if MJ or Madonna was more acclaimed, and I proved it was MJ. I'm not about to argue about either of their personal lives, but if both you and that poster need to stoop that low to prove some sort of point go right ahead, but don't expect me to engage in it, at least not in this thread.
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Originally posted by KingKunta
If they weren't low points then why are completly absent on acclaimedmusic? It's really cute how almost all of you were using this website earlier to justify her being more acclaimed, but now you all want to change the subject when you see it isn't as helpful as you thought it would be.
Also if english is his first language or not first of all i can't even decipher a lot of that, secondly it's completly irrelevant to the discussion. This thread was about MJ or Madonna was more acclaimed and now he is bringing up biased crap about their personal lives. I came in this thread to discuss if MJ or Madonna was more acclaimed, and I proved it was MJ. I'm not about to argue about either of their personal lives, but if both you and that poster need to stoop that low to prove some sort of point go right ahead, but don't expect me to engage in it, at least not in this thread.
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Firstly, I havent used acclaimedmusic, and the key words in my comment are "in retrospective". Madonna received a huge backlash during that era and it was reflected also in the reviews, the album received a lot of flak due to the controversial themes it dealt with. But its impact is huge and people started to realize how game changing the album really is and finally see the quality of the songs also thanks to how the society and the approach to female sexuality changed over the years.
Secondly, I havent brought up MJs personal life and struggles at all, I have never tried to insult him and I dont agree with what he said so why are you addressing this to me?
Finally, I just find it very arrogant when a native English speaker makes fun of someone who is trying his best to get his point across in foreign language, instead of politely correcting him and making a good counter argument. Thats stooping too low in my book.
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Michael Jackson is the most awarded artist in history. He is the more acclaimed act. He is also an inducted act in:
The Rock N' Roll Hall Of Fame (twice)
The Songwriters Hall Of Fame
The Dance Hall Of Fame
...and has two albums and two songs in the Grammy Hall Of Fame.
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
They're basically equally acclaimed, but I think Madonna will win out. MJ's acclaim is heavily centered on Thriller, which has probably already saturated its status as a critical darling.
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That's actually not really true. While Thriller will appear higher on "Greatest Albums Ever" type lists, Off The Wall is Michael's most critically acclaimed record in terms of reviews. Thriller was acclaimed, but it's unprecedented commercial power and impact is what makes you (and probably many) presume it's Michael's best-reviewed LP.
And it would be unfair to say Michael's acclaim was centered on a single album. Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous are all hugely acclaimed records.
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Originally posted by Rusty
That's actually not really true. While Thriller will appear higher on "Greatest Albums Ever" type lists, Off The Wall is Michael's most critically acclaimed record in terms of reviews. Thriller was acclaimed, but it's unprecedented commercial power and impact is what makes you (and probably many) presume it's Michael's best-reviewed LP.
And it would be unfair to say Michael's acclaim was centered on a single album. Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous are all hugely acclaimed records.
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In terms of reviews Like a Prayer is more acclaimed than Off the Wall&Thriller.
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Originally posted by XStaticProcess
In terms of reviews Like a Prayer is more acclaimed than Off the Wall&Thriller.
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Based on what? They are reviewed by mostly different publications, though ones they share actually give them the same scores:
5 stars - AllMusic
5 Stars - Q
5 Stars / Favorable - Rolling Stone (star systems not in place in 1979 but considering they rank it higher than any Madonna album on their lists let's call that one a tie to be a good sport to Madge)
...except for one shared reviewer:
Robert Christgau:
Off The Wall - A
Like A Prayer - B+
The rest are exclusive to either record and so are not really comparable (though all are top tier in terms of praise for both). In terms of retrospective acclaim, one album is a Grammy HOF inducted record, and one is not, while RS lists LAP at #239 on their list of the greatest albums ever, and OTW at #68.
I would have said both are just top tier in terms of mainstream commercially big records that got critically acclaimed, but since you're trying it: Off The Wall is the more acclaimed record.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Based on what? They are reviewed by mostly different publications, though ones they share actually give them the same scores:
5 stars - AllMusic
5 Stars - Q
5 Stars / Favorable - Rolling Stone (star systems not in place in 1979 but considering they rank it higher than any Madonna album on their lists let's call that one a tie to be a good sport to Madge)
...except for one shared reviewer:
Robert Christgau:
Off The Wall - A
Like A Prayer - B+
The rest are exclusive to either record and so are not really comparable (though all are top tier in terms of praise for both). In terms of retrospective acclaim, one album is a Grammy HOF inducted record, and one is not, while RS lists LAP #239 on their list of the greatest albums ever, and OTW at #68.
I would have said both are just top tier in terms of mainstream commercially big records that got critically acclaimed, but since you're trying it: Off The Wall is the more acclaimed record.
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Yes Off the Wall is more acclaimed overall but in terms of reviews Like a Prayer is ahead.Check that Metacritic scores before 2000s thread.
And yes Thriller and Off The Wall are more acclaimed than every Madonna album in terms of lists.But Madonna is still more acclaimed overall in terms of lists.
MJ wins in awards tho.
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mj why is this even a question though. mazenx10000000
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Firstly, I havent used acclaimedmusic, and the key words in my comment are "in retrospective". Madonna received a huge backlash during that era and it was reflected also in the reviews, the album received a lot of flak due to the controversial themes it dealt with. But its impact is huge and people started to realize how game changing the album really is and finally see the quality of the songs also thanks to how the society and the approach to female sexuality changed over the years.
Secondly, I havent brought up MJs personal life and struggles at all, I have never tried to insult him and I dont agree with what he said so why are you addressing this to me?
Finally, I just find it very arrogant when a native English speaker makes fun of someone who is trying his best to get his point across in foreign language, instead of politely correcting him and making a good counter argument. Thats stooping too low in my book.
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The definition you posted of a "grammer nazi."
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Grammar Nazi:
-someone who is too stupid to think of a reasoned response to any argument so resorts to attacking someone's grammar and spelling instead.
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First of all like I told you a lot of that crap is hard to decipher, if he wants to write big essays like that attacking a dead man he could at least work on his english before doing it, especially since nobody told him to start talking about it in the first place, and second of all just like I told you before what he wrote has nothing to do with what was orginally being discussed, if MJ or Madonna is more acclaimed and now that he sees he lost that argument he wants to result to personal attacks to MJ. Why would you post this definition and then critisize me for not responding to it, when I clearly just explained my reason for not responding or as you say "making a good counterargument," because that's not what I came in this thread to do. If you two want to talk about how weak MJ was as a person all day then nobody is stopping you, but like I said i'm not about to engage in it with either of you. The man is dead and gone and if he wants to make fun of and critisize his life go right ahead, but that it just screams how insecure in Madonna he is, especially since the man is dead. No matter what you say that's low.
Either way i'm done with this conversation and thread. I came here to discuss if MJ or Madonna was more acclaimed. I proved it was MJ and that was all I came here to do, not discuss either of their personal lives.
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