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Discussion: Do you think eating meat will be illegal in the future?
Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Nano
You still didn't address the argument of why we're the only meat eaters that have to cook the meat for it to be edible.
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We don't, actually. There are plenty of meat dishes that are served raw, such as sushi and steak tartare.
Certain meats have to be cooked not because we can't digest it otherwise, but because of the concern of food-borne parasites and bacteria. Salmonella is often found in raw poultry, for instance. Animals don't have the self-awareness to understand or assess the risk of food poisoning, hence why they never see the need to cook meat.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Nano
You still didn't address the argument of why we're the only meat eaters that have to cook the meat for it to be edible.
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Originally posted by UnusualBoy
Animal meat doesn't give you cancer nor ****, unless you mean processed food but that is another thing.
Anyway the humans being have been eating meat ever since they put their feet on earth so I don't know how that would change now? What I am totally against to is the horrible treatment they give the animals before they kill them.
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I stopped reading there.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
I didn't lie.
Eating meat isn't natural, we did not evolve to eat meat.
Our bodies still can't properly digest meat.
Our bodies were not designed to eat meat.
Maybe do a little research before you come for me?
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Take your own advice rather than allowing someone to feed you information because it sounds right.
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Member Since: 12/16/2008
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Anyway, this is an endless argument because the cocky vegans will tell you to not eat meat and give their excuses and the other people will simply not give a **** about it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Retro
Humans don't need to cook meat to digest it, obtain nutrients, or even to kill all the organisms that pose a threat to us. You are spreading myths and fallacies perpetuated by vegan and vegetarian groups to skew things toward themselves.
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1027
As you can see there, it's pretty common for animals that don't cook their food to become sick, and contract parasites, and whatever. We're not that special.
Your first quote assumes that for some reason, a human in nature would leave a dead fish out in the open for hours; spoiler alert, we wouldn't! We'd eat it!
Your second blatantly ignores scientific study on human tooth structure.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.VY7ory5Viko
And finally, you continue to disregard the fact that, without cooked meat as a historical food source, you would not be capable of even typing these arguments or having them in the first place.
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For instance there are several types of parasites and pathogenic bacteria that can be transmitted to humans by eating uncooked or poorly cooked meat. By cooking the meat properly, these organisms are killed. For most of us, these infections might make our lives a little unpleasant
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Nano
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I included that very intentionally to show that we DO NOT cook meat because of the digestion and consumption of meat itself (oh, and if you'd read, we still don't need to). Thank you for drawing attention to it! 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Retro
Humans don't need to cook meat to digest it, obtain nutrients, or even to kill all the organisms that pose a threat to us. You are spreading myths and fallacies perpetuated by vegan and vegetarian groups to skew things toward themselves.
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1027
As you can see there, it's pretty common for animals that don't cook their food to become sick, and contract parasites, and whatever. We're not that special.
Your first quote assumes that for some reason, a human in nature would leave a dead fish out in the open for hours; spoiler alert, we wouldn't! We'd eat it!
Your second blatantly ignores scientific study on human tooth structure.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.VY7ory5Viko
And finally, you continue to disregard the fact that, without cooked meat as a historical food source, you would not be capable of even typing these arguments or having them in the first place.
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90% of raw meat can still make you sick though.
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Originally posted by Nano
How the animals get treated doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things, the fact is that they are still murdered.
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^^^
I do understand why they defend themselves though, they've been brought up in a culture that tells them eating meat and killing other animals for food is natural.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Nano
How the animals get treated doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things, the fact is that they are still murdered.
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Burn the animal welfarists with this scalding tea!
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
90% of raw meat can still make you sick though.
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And because of entirely separate organisms that evolved independently of us and our prey.
I think we're done here.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Retro
I included that very intentionally to show that we DO NOT cook meat because of the digestion and consumption of meat itself (oh, and if you'd read, we still don't need to). Thank you for drawing attention to it! |
Do other omnivores have issues like the one in the quote I posted? Genuinely curious.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
I do understand why they defend themselves though, they've been brought up in a culture that tells them eating meat and killing other animals for food is natural.
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Tragic.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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I'm munching on some beef jerky while reading this thread. It's hella good, y'all should try some. 
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And by the way, I'm sorry, but I don't particularly care about that cow dying or that chicken getting beheaded. Paint me as a horrible person as I know you will, but it tastes good, provides me an easily accessible source of nutrients (regardless of whether I cook it), and goes will with cheese. That's all I have to say on the "ethics" of this subject.
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Why are we still talking about evolution and whether we can or cannot actually meat though? The fact is that we don't need to yet continue to do so collectively as a society because we're letting our taste buds decide for us. That's much more troubling in my opinion.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Nano
Do other omnivores have issues like the one in the quote I posted? Genuinely curious.
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ddd; yes if you read my whole paragraph, all animals are actually prone to disease and parasites. 
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Member Since: 4/12/2011
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Um no. We humans are designed to eat meat.
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Originally posted by Optimus
No Lol. People have been eating meat for centuries.
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Since Homo Habilis, to be exact. Meat allowed our ancestors' brain to develop so the specie could evolve and here are we now Homo Sapiens Sapiens, an omnivore specie. Meat provides you with the highest quality proteins (only under egg proteins) that contain ALL the essential amino acids, something which vegetables do not (you can combine them tho).
Another reason is B12 vitamin, which is needed to live and is only found in animals so...
By the way eating no meat =/= eating healthier, what kind of lies...
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by TheNight
Why are we still talking about evolution and whether we can or cannot actually meat though? The fact is that we don't need to yet continue to do so collectively as a society because we're letting our taste buds decide for us. That's much more troubling in my opinion.
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Because meat is easily accessible and provides for a more easily arranged (and often cheaper) fully balanced diet.
I don't get the issue? Are we still on animal ethics or whatever?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by little legend
How can someone be so selfish,insensitive and i dont know what else
I'll pray for you first....
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I'm not justifying animal cruelty, and I'm not saying the well being of these animals isn't important - of course it is. But human life is far more valuable than the the existence of that fly lurking on your bedroom wall.
I have a dog, and I love her dearly. But let me give you a hypothetical, burning building... there's a strangers baby and my dog trapped inside and I only have time to save one or the other; I'd save the strangers baby every single time... I'd like to think any other decent human being would do the same.
Human life is obviously more valuable; but don't assume that I meant the lives of other animals aren't at all.
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Member Since: 6/30/2011
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No? Wtf. We'll be ending hunger by cloning farm animals and ****.
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Member Since: 11/27/2008
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No. Meat provides protein, something we need
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