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ATRL: Rape Prevention Tips Anger men
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Graduation
This has to be one of the most ignorant things I've read on ATRL.
Anyways, why is it so hard for men to just shut up and listen. This isn't about how they feel. It's about women wanting to feel safe and protected and not as if by simply being in public she's inviting sexual contact on herself. If you're one of the several decent men that does not rape people, this isn't about you.
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You're actually gross
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
Posts: 14,915
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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn
Belongings can be replaced, you can buy another one of whatever you lost and that's where it ends. Can a woman gain back her trust in men after she's raped? Can she erase her memories of what happened? What if she's pregnant or is infected with an STI? Can she just forget like she would if her phone was stolen? You can't compare humans to objects, it's a terrible analogy and simply doesn't apply.
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Oh my god. I'm not talking about how people feel when they are raped vs how they feel when they have their purse snatched. The person you quoted was talking about women being told how to protect themselves from being robbed and that's what I was talking about too. Don't try to make it seem like I'm trying to downplay rape because I'm not. I'm saying there are things you can do to protect yourself and there's nothing wrong with telling that to women and girls.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I need meninism because women think they have rights, tho 
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 20,070
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Originally posted by Stackhouse
But you're just shutting down potential for more activism with these attitudes. It turns people off the fight, and honestly anti-rape campaigners aren't in the position to refuse advocates.
Idk it just seems like you're trying to excuse your abrasive attitudes
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Honey, if my attitude stops anyone from fighting against rape culture, then they're to blame - not me. Anyone who thinks rape culture is a serious issue won't be put off because of someone's abrasive attitude.
I'm not abrasive towards people who are against rape culture, but when people start questioning the offenders being blamed instead of the victims, it's difficult to stay "calm and collected" or whatever.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 39,572
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Originally posted by Sasha.
1. I never said it was any less of a problem, it's just that I never hear anything about it unless it's in conjunction to a discussion about female rape. "But men get raped too!!!" Okay, yes, so start a discussion about that instead of asking feminists to accommodate their fight to please men.
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If it was that big of a problem then y'all would already have made a list of "ways to keep women from raping"... but you haven't.
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Well, it read that way, but okay.
And I'm not asking you to 'accomodate their fight to please men', I just think that making it a universal issue to prevent sex crimes on a wider scale is a good idea. It's like gays fighting for gay rights, and then completely neglecting bis or transgenders.
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Originally posted by Sasha.
2. It's not supposed to be comedy, it's mocking the advice that are given to women on a daily basis.
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You wouldn't mock a murder, you wouldn't mock racism, you shouldn't mock a sex crime. Regardless of intention, it's a pretty crass 'joke'.
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Originally posted by Sasha.
3. No one expects you to put a stop to rape, but talking about it, and making sure people hear about it, is an absolutely perfect way of getting the word out there and start making a change.
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Well I'm hardly supporting it, I'm not shutting it down, I'm just saying that the debate should be widened to protect as many people as possible from sex crime. If anything, I'm just adding to a debate and getting word out there. I wouldn't rape anyone, I'm pretty clear that I would never find it okay to rape anyone, I don't see how broadening a debate could hurt anyone in the same way as shutting down the severity of sex crime based on the gender of the victim.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
Posts: 8,021
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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn
Male rape is a separate but very serious problem. Saying 'men get raped' full stop is fine, but when you say 'men get raped too' its erasing the suffering of male rape victims and using it to further your agenda of silencing female rape victims.
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The problem is that when we say "men get raped", nobody listens.
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And the whole 'men love sex so can't be raped' is a creation of patriarchy anyway which is what feminists are fighting in the first place.
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Oh, really? You mean like this feminist?
https://rootveg.wordpress.com/2014/1...ist-imperative
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The picture we get here is that he remained inert to maintain the integrity of his art, while a woman proceeded to “rape” him. Given that women cannot actually rape men...
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Or this feminist?
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This is not to say that men and boys cannot be raped — certainly they can and do experience sexual assault (generally at the hands of other males). At the same time, it isn’t clear what exactly happened to LaBeouf and whether or not it constitutes “rape.”
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Or how about Mary P. Koss?
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archive...ad-of-the-day/
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Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.
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You know, I'd be more willing to listen to the whole "patriarchy hurts men too!" if more feminists actually stuck by it. You can't say that the patriarchy is responsible for restricting men from expressing their feelings and then shout "MALE TEARS" at any man who tries to express that he's hurt. You can't say that the patriarchy is responsible for male rape not being taken seriously and then deliberately use language that excludes them from the conversation.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Crystalline
And I'm not asking you to 'accomodate their fight to please men', I just think that making it a universal issue to prevent sex crimes on a wider scale is a good idea. It's like gays fighting for gay rights, and then completely neglecting bis or transgenders. |
The difference is women are statistically victims of rape more so than men, while (black female) trans people have the highest murder rate in the gay community.
False equivalence, really.
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
Posts: 14,915
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I NEVER see men talk about male rape until they try to inject it into a conversation about female rape. Kinda like white people with racism.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Member Since: 3/3/2012
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Originally posted by Toya
I NEVER see men talk about male rape until they try to inject it into a conversation about female rape. Kinda like white people with racism.
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And Chill Bill is the clear example, men try to find every radical feminist blog that talks about how female-on-mae rape isn't real to prove their agenda.
They don't care about men, they only care about not being labelled "potential rapist"
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
Posts: 14,915
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
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Nope I haven't. Because men don't talk about ANY of that until they feel left out because women are talking about female rape, just like you right now.
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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A
And Chill Bill is the clear example, men try to find every radical feminist blog that talks about how female-on-mae rape isn't real to prove their agenda.
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That's honestly what it seems like
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A
And Chill Bill is the clear example, men try to find every radical feminist blog that talks about how female-on-male rape isn't real to prove their agenda.
They don't care about men, they only care about not being labelled "potential rapist" |
I'm pretty sure the ones trivialising male rape are the ones who don't care about men, but I fully understand that female rape is a huge issue as well. I just think making jokes about rape isn't funny, and advising people to 'blow a rape whistle' if they feel they may lose control and rape someone is crass and unhelpful to everyone, makes fun of real issues and does damage to rape victims of all genders and walks of life.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 39,572
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Originally posted by Toya
Nope I haven't. Because men don't talk about ANY of that until they feel left out because women are talking about female rape, just like you right now.
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That's more to do with society telling women to be wary of potential rapists, and doesn't say the same thing to men. Women are more likely to be concerned about being raped than men are, but when both are raped it's of the same importance and they shouldn't be treated as separate issues.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A
And Chill Bill is the clear example, men try to find every radical feminist blog that talks about how female-on-mae rape isn't real to prove their agenda.
They don't care about men, they only care about not being labelled "potential rapist" |
I just posted several examples of men discussing male rape, on their own volition, and now you're just putting the blinders on and going, "Nope, nope, never happened!"
And Feminist Current isn't a "radical" feminist blog. It's a popular feminist news site with a large audience.
But if you're going to keep insisting that I don't care, fine. I'll post a thread about male rape victims in the lounge right now.
EDIT: Gee whiz, no responses! What a surprise. 
Which brings me to my main point: nobody gives a **** about male rape victims unless you include female ones in the discussion. We talk about male rape victims in threads like these because it's the only way we'll actually get a response.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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If you're offended by this you're probably a rapist or have a rapist mindset... I can't really think of any other reason for why you'd be offended by this.
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
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Originally posted by Crystalline
That's more to do with society telling women to be wary of potential rapists, and doesn't say the same thing to men. Women are more likely to be concerned about being raped than men are, but when both are raped it's of the same importance and they shouldn't be treated as separate issues.
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Yes, we're told to be wary of potential rapists because women are targeted by rapists much more often than men. So if a woman wants to start a conversation about it, men need to stop jumpin in like double dutch just because they feel ignored for a moment. There are women who don't think male rape is a big deal just like there are men who don't think female rape is a big deal. They're both in the minority. Most of us know they're both important issues.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Toya
Yes, we're told to be wary of potential rapists because women are targeted by rapists much more often than men. So if a woman wants to start a conversation about it, men need to stop jumpin in like hop scotch just because they feel ignored for a moment. There are women who don't think male rape is a big deal just like there are men who don't think female rape is a big deal. They're both in the minority. Most of us know they're both important issues.
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It isn't that they feel 'left out', it just seems logical that tackling rape would mean tackling rape for all people.
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
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Originally posted by Crystalline
It isn't that they feel 'left out', it just seems logical that tackling rape would mean tackling rape for all people.
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Yeah that's what some white people say when blacks discuss racism.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Toya
Yeah that's what some white people say when blacks discuss racism.
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So, we shouldn't be tackling racism against whites or rape against men then, because it's less important, based on one's skin colour/gender?
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
Posts: 14,915
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Originally posted by Crystalline
So, we shouldn't be tackling racism against whites or rape against men then, because it's less important, based on one's skin colour/gender?
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Of course we should. It's just a shame and awfully convenient that white people only seem to wanna talk about the racism they face when blacks are talking about the racism they face or that men only seem to wanna talk about male rape when women are discussing female rape. It makes it look like they don't really care and are only bringing it up because they feel like they're being attacked JUST because someone is talking about racism/rape.
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