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Discussion: Why is Rihanna criticized for not songwriting or producing?
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Originally posted by lonnie
They use the same songwriters, Bey actually has better marketing than she does. I'm not even going to delve on her army of P.Rs
All these major pop girls use marketing, stop acting like Rih is the only one marketed, unless you are an indie artist then you market yourself everytime you perform a song you've done.
You're clutching at straws
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People question how much input she actually has concerning the creation of her songs. It's not that big of a deal.
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Originally posted by lonnie
Rihanna does what everyone else can do, all she does is sing songs given to her yet she's sold over 180 million records, if she's as talentless as some of y'all are claiming why isn't anyone else doing those numbers? Why isn't everyone having 13 number ones? It's not like they songwriters rih works with exclusively work for her.
Why is it that people still check for her music when she has nothing to offer?
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Can you not figure that out yourself?
Rihanna is the pretty face which fronts a VERY clever and talented promotion/production/media team.
You don't seriously think every part of her success is entirely down to her?
They realized she was a marketable product and assembled a very good team to keep her afloat. Everything from promotion, styling, production/songwriting, media presence. Rihanna is only surrounded by the experts in those fields.
When you spend that much money on someone and their team, you expect it to work, which it does. For now.
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Originally posted by lonnie
They use the same songwriters, Bey actually has better marketing than she does. I'm not even going to delve on her army of P.Rs
All these major pop girls use marketing, stop acting like Rih is the only one marketed, unless you are an indie artist then you market yourself everytime you perform a song you've done.
You're clutching at straws
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And like I stated before, these others popgirls have an actual talent to fall back on. In Beys case, marketing is the cherry on top. Rih's entire career is almost fueled by marketing.
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
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stop hyping ha up she aint collecting nothing
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She's not even criticized for that...
And the OP has a point. There are some great singer who can't write and there are some songwriters who can't sing but Rihanna doesn't really have an outstanding voice, she can't really sing live nor dance as other artists (no shade tho I love her music even tho she doesn't write) but it would be really cool if she got more involved and tried making songs for herself.
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Originally posted by moijejoue
And like I stated before, these others popgirls have an actual talent to fall back on. In Beys case, marketing is the cherry on top. Rih's entire career is almost fueled by marketing.
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Exaclty! she doesn't even pick her singles
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
She's at the very TOP.
And according to that magazine cover, they agree.
There girls need to try harder to discredit her.
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Originally posted by lonnie
They use the same songwriters, Bey actually has better marketing than she does. I'm not even going to delve on her army of P.Rs
All these major pop girls use marketing, stop acting like Rih is the only one marketed, unless you are an indie artist then you market yourself everytime you perform a song you've done.
You're clutching at straws
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Exactly.
Let these other girls explain it:
So, all other parts of the playing field are equal (marketing, catchy hooks, imaging), but for Rihanna who has "no discernible talent" ( ) she is STILL managing to outmatch, outperform and out-achieve these other pop girls with no effort.
Well, well, well. She really is a supernatural icon/goddess/powerhouse after all.
What kinda magical effortless slay?
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Originally posted by Zack
Can you not figure that out yourself?
Rihanna is the pretty face which fronts a VERY clever and talented promotion/production/media team.
You don't seriously think every part of her success is entirely down to her?
They realized she was a marketable product and assembled a very good team to keep her afloat. Everything from promotion, styling, production/songwriting, media presence. Rihanna is only surrounded by the experts in those fields.
When you spend that much money on someone and their team, you expect it to work, which it does. For now.
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Member Since: 12/21/2011
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Originally posted by Zack
Can you not figure that out yourself?
Rihanna is the pretty face which fronts a VERY clever and talented promotion/production/media team.
You don't seriously think every part of her success is entirely down to her?
They realized she was a marketable product and assembled a very good team to keep her afloat. Everything from promotion, styling, production/songwriting, media presence. Rihanna is only surrounded by the experts in those fields.
When you spend that much money on someone and their team, you expect it to work, which it does. For now.
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You totally missed the point of his statement, he said that because people in this thread are acting like she's the only one with the team, when obviously every pop girls has them, some even bigger teams behind them than Rihanna. Does Rihanna even have a PR team? Surely they would not allow things like CBS cussing and things like that.
Accusing Rihanna of things like these when there's popgirls like Katy and Kesha
edit: dead at Rihanna's career being fueled by marketing when she has like 5 performances per era and stops "promo" after two singles. People genuinely liking her has some of you so pressed it's cringeworthy
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Originally posted by Simplyvirtue
what does bey have to do with anything? and clearly she has 5! Like i said if its a hot song and great video ANYONE CAN GET a number 1
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Yes so easy to get a number one yet, Obama assumed office and got re-elected and Bey doesn't have a number one yet, Osama was killed, The royal wedding happened and a riyal child has been born she doesn't have a number one yet, Michael and Whitney died and Ellen Page came out and Kim Kardashian got married thrice and divorced twice and she still doesn't have a number one, yeah you're right it's all so very easy
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Originally posted by lonnie
Yes so easy to get a number one yet, Obama assumed office and got re-elected and Bey doesn't have a number one yet, Osama was killed, The royal wedding happened and a riyal child has been born she doesn't have a number one yet, Michael and Whitney died and Ellen Page came out and Kim Kardashian got married thrice and divorced twice and she still doesn't have a number one, yeah you're right it's all so very easy
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Like I said wtf is the point of mentioning Bey! DEAD at you acting like the girl has 0 tho
and maybe i should be clear! when you DO POP MUSIC #1's are easily attained! tell me the last time a RandB song went #1! ill wait..
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Originally posted by elliotis19
!!!
Exactly.
Let these other girls explain it:
So, all other parts of the playing field are equal (marketing, catchy hooks, imaging), but for Rihanna who has "no discernible talent" ( ) she is STILL managing to outmatch, outperform and out-achieve these other pop girls with no effort.
Well, well, well. She really is a supernatural icon/goddess/powerhouse after all.
What kinda magical effortless slay?
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So being successful through others hard work is something to be proud of? Especially since she can't do it on her own?
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
You totally missed the point of his statement, he said that because people in this thread are acting like she's the only one with the team, when obviously every pop girls has them, some even bigger teams behind them than Rihanna. Does Rihanna even have a PR team? Surely they would not allow things like CBS cussing and things like that.
Accusing Rihanna of things like these when there's popgirls like Katy and Kesha
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You missed the point of my post. Rih doesn't just have any team, she has the BEST team.
After Umbrella, her management capitalized on it to attract the best songwriters and producers, bringing more and more hits.
Rihanna's team find her the best songs because they are experts in their field who know how to market her based on her image.
She gets so many hits submitted to her that she can afford to throw away good songs. That is why you get artists like Selena and Miley fighting for her scraps.
If Rihanna had anything less than the team she's got now, I doubt she would have lasted this long. She was just in the right place at the right time. Doesn't mean she doesn't deserve it, but let's keep it real.
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Because when you don't songwrite or produce you're a singer NOT an artist. Rihanna is just a singer. There's nothing more. That's why she's criticized.
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Originally posted by Zack
Can you not figure that out yourself?
Rihanna is the pretty face which fronts a VERY clever and talented promotion/production/media team.
You don't seriously think every part of her success is entirely down to her?
They realized she was a marketable product and assembled a very good team to keep her afloat. Everything from promotion, styling, production/songwriting, media presence. Rihanna is only surrounded by the experts in those fields.
When you spend that much money on someone and their team, you expect it to work, which it does. For now.
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All of these pop girls have teams. Their labels send their music to radio that's promotion which is a major principle of marketing, they perform their songs, have an image for their eras e.t.c
All of them are marketed, one way or the other. The way you speak of Rih's team one would think you actually belong to it. Rihanna has surrounded herself with the same people she worked with ever since her debut, Carl Sturken, Evan Rogers, Stargate e.t.c.
Everything she has as a marketing tool, all the other girls have too.
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Originally posted by Zack
You missed the point of my post. Rih doesn't just have any team, she has the BEST team.
After Umbrella, her management capitalized on it to attract the best songwriters and producers, bringing more and more hits.
Rihanna's team find her the best songs because they are experts in their field who know how to market her based on her image.
She gets so many hits submitted to her that she can afford to throw away good songs. That is why you get artists like Selena and Miley fighting for her scraps.
If Rihanna had anything less than the team she's got now, I doubt she would have lasted this long. She was just in the right place at the right time. Doesn't mean she doesn't deserve it, but let's keep it real.
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So because Rihanna is the most successful girl, it must mean she has the best team, that my friend is a flawed logic.
Her management is trash, they ****ed up every era since Loud. The best team in the industry has Katy Perry, stop being delusional.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Zack
You missed the point of my post. Rih doesn't just have any team, she has the BEST team.
After Umbrella, her management capitalized on it to attract the best songwriters and producers, bringing more and more hits.
Rihanna's team find her the best songs because they are experts in their field who know how to market her based on her image.
She gets so many hits submitted to her that she can afford to throw away good songs. That is why you get artists like Selena and Miley fighting for her scraps.
If Rihanna had anything less than the team she's got now, I doubt she would have lasted this long. She was just in the right place at the right time. Doesn't mean she doesn't deserve it, but let's keep it real.
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You do realize Rihanna was almost dropped by her label twice? Or that she lacked funding from her label fir numerous things including the S.O.S video which was financed by a completely different company as an endorsement or that she had to personally finance the Disturbia video? Oh wait, no you don't know ****, all you know is what your preconceived notions on Rihanna are period. You'd think you're Jay Brown the way you're going about her team
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Cause she has little input into her music and eras while her stans claim she is in complete control.
which we know Jay brown is when he spilled the tea about him selecting which songs make the album
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Woow she can't dance?
dance is not talent, everyone can learn dancing
She is only 26, her time is yet to come
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