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News: Homework is harmful for your health
Member Since: 5/14/2012
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
People generalize.... on both sides.
This is not new, and is not news.
...also define "excessive". I think it is reasonable to require 1-2 hours of homework a night at most. (less if some given over weekend)
The only people in my school who have more than that are AP students, and it is their choice to take advanced courses.
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1-2 hours? If I had that much I would never complain. I have seven classes a day. On a good day, I may only get homework in 5 out of those 7, and that's way more than 1-2 hours. And I take all general.
I have no issue with it, but the excessive amount is what bothers me, and sometimes, it's not helping me learn anything new or reiterate what I was taught. It's just busy work. 
Also, let me throw in the homework over the weekend as well cause... 
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by psychodj
1-2 hours? If I had that much I would never complain. I have seven classes a day. On a good day, I may only get homework in 5 out of those 7, and that's way more than 1-2 hours. And I take all general.
I have no issue with it, but the excessive amount is what bothers me, and sometimes, it's not helping me learn anything new or reiterate what I was taught. It's just busy work. |
That is one reason why I prefer an A/B schedule where students only have 4 classes a day. 7 seems excessive and FORCES homework in a way since (as a teacher) it is so hard to cover material in 45 minute chunks.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Not some of the people in this thread acting brand new as hell 
Please don't act like you haven't had one day that you didn't want or was stressed to do hours of homework. We get it, it's apart of the curricular but you don't want to put so much stress on a student then complain when that student has incomplete or doesn't have the work at all.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Delita_chan
Okay, let's get rid of homework. Then when you get to college, are slapped with the heavy load of homework PER class, and aren't prepared to deal with it, you'll cry that the schools didn't prepare you for what was coming. Boo-hoo.
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I am the last person EVER to complain about homework. I've been doing late-high school, early-college level work since junior high school (extensive research papers 6+ pages in length, sometimes single spaced and endless powerpoint presentations and we learned how to make resume's in the 7th grade among other random life skills that are actually useful). However, that was a a lot for our age. Everyone in my school was pressured as hell. When we all got to high school, we were overly prepared and most of us (who I still keep in contact with) breezed through it and are breezing through college. Granted, that's not everyone's case and I can more than see how people in other states and around the US feel when it comes to ridiculous homework loads. No one should be doing 2 hours worth of homework, nightly, per class (and most students have 5 - 8 classes and some are AP, gifted, or double period) which unfortunately, is the case.
Kids at that ripe 7th grade to 11th grade age don't all have that kind of focus to do that much work unless they've been primed for it mentally since very young, have the full support of their families and the determination. For some of you in this thread to insist that doing excessive amounts of homework to the point where you're just keeping busy and no longer learning is okay, is disturbing. You're either emitting your hatred of the workloads you had to deal with at that age on these kids still in school OR you're simply out of touch with how homework heavy the education system (in some states of the US) has gotten.
I could go further into this topic but I won't. If you're not getting the point by now, you're truly stuck in your bad ways. For that, just read this quote a few more times.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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If you maybe stopped procastinating, you would be less stressed and learn more. The homework is not the problem, it's you. Y'all are lazy as hell and procastinate too much which leads to stress.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Robotic
If you maybe stopped procastinating, you would be less stressed and learn more. The homework is not the problem, it's you. Y'all are lazy as hell and procastinate too much which leads to stress.
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Please tell me more about my own life, it's intriguing!
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Originally posted by -brian
Exactly, every teacher thinks this... and in high school I had 9 periods (8 teachers) every day. Each class was 40 minutes so the teachers barely taught anything. Add that to soccer practice and other things. It was way too excessive  |
40 minutes is a joke honestly. It takes me 10-20 minutes to even get moving in a new concept most of the time.
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Member Since: 5/14/2012
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
That is one reason why I prefer an A/B schedule where students only have 4 classes a day. 7 seems excessive and FORCES homework in a way since (as a teacher) it is so hard to cover material in 45 minute chunks.
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I have 50-55 minute classes with my 5th period class being the longest (an hour and a half).
I have no issue with homework. But its too excessive, especially when it take me hour or more alone to complete an assignment for one class (either economics or anatomy).
Do you see where I'm coming from and what my issue is?
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Wow, I hope you whiners of homework never apply to college - you'll be slapped with more than 2+ hours of homework each night! Don't even think of the graduate program or PhD - even more work! My master's courses required 200 pages of reading per week - PER CLASS. Papers for each class were 17-20 pages each. Add to that the fact that I work full time and took a full-load. Had I not learned to manage my time by getting 2+ hour night homework assignments, I wouldn't have made it.
Bottom line - you don't want to work hard - okay. But don't apply for college and don't expect the best quality of life. Take a minimum wage job so you can have your "free time" to be on ATRL.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Retro
Please tell me more about my own life, it's intriguing!
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If you don't have motivation or love for what you do, you might as well drop out of school. Seriously. You always have that option.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Delita_chan
Wow, I hope you whiners of homework never apply to college - you'll be slapped with more than 2+ hours of homework each night! Don't even think of the graduate program or PhD - even more work! My master's courses required 200 pages of reading per week - PER CLASS. Papers for each class were 17-20 pages each. Add to that the fact that I work full time and took a full-load. Had I not learned to manage my time by getting 2+ hour night homework assignments, I wouldn't have made it.
Bottom line - you don't want to work hard - okay. But don't apply for college and don't expect the best quality of life. Take a minimum wage job so you can have your "free time" to be on ATRL.
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Exactly. Good post. 
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Let me show this to my science teacher tomorrow and teach him that we ain't got the strength to do 10 exercises to each part-chapter when his boring ass lessons teaches us nothing because he makes it too damn boring AND we never get time to do them in class for more than 10 minutes.
In some classes it's needed though, like math and I guess science really but it doesn't help when we don't get to learn anything at school. (Ok, we get to but not in the right way for me)
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It's funny how most here want to "make it" in life, but they don't want to put in the work and time it takes to get there. 
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Robotic
If you don't have motivation or love for what you do, you might as well drop out of school. Seriously. You always have that option.
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My point was that not everyone's struggles with completely unreasonable amounts of homework are due to procrastination or laziness.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Delita_chan
Wow, I hope you whiners of homework never apply to college - you'll be slapped with more than 2+ hours of homework each night! Don't even think of the graduate program or PhD - even more work! My master's courses required 200 pages of reading per week - PER CLASS. Papers for each class were 17-20 pages each. Add to that the fact that I work full time and took a full-load. Had I not learned to manage my time by getting 2+ hour night homework assignments, I wouldn't have made it.
Bottom line - you don't want to work hard - okay. But don't apply for college and don't expect the best quality of life. Take a minimum wage job so you can have your "free time" to be on ATRL.
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You sound like you're a tired servant to society. I suggest you take a vacation.
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Member Since: 5/14/2012
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Originally posted by Retro
My point was that not everyone's struggles with completely unreasonable amounts of homework are due to procrastination or laziness.
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But apparently, we're not going to make it in life. (Even though all the excessive amount of work, I maintain a high GPA and good grades.) 
Keep telling me how my life is going to become since you can see the future.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Delita_chan
Wow, I hope you whiners of homework never apply to college - you'll be slapped with more than 2+ hours of homework each night! Don't even think of the graduate program or PhD - even more work! My master's courses required 200 pages of reading per week - PER CLASS. Papers for each class were 17-20 pages each. Add to that the fact that I work full time and took a full-load. Had I not learned to manage my time by getting 2+ hour night homework assignments, I wouldn't have made it.
Bottom line - you don't want to work hard - okay. But don't apply for college and don't expect the best quality of life. Take a minimum wage job so you can have your "free time" to be on ATRL.
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Maybe my view is colored because I have graduated college already, but I 100% agree.
Even the worst experiences expressed here seem tame compared to a few of my semesters. For example... my student teaching. I am at school from 7 am to 4 pm every day. I get up at 4 so I can spend 2 hours preparing for the day. In the evening I do my own homework (student teachers have classes too). In addition I have interviews, and a credentials file to put together. I then work my other job on weekends.
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Originally posted by psychodj
I have 50-55 minute classes with my 5th period class being the longest (an hour and a half).
I have no issue with homework. But its too excessive, especially when it take me hour or more alone to complete an assignment for one class (either economics or anatomy).
Do you see where I'm coming from and what my issue is?
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Sure, and to be honest I was HORRIBLE with homework in high school.
Are anatomy and economics required classes? Those don't seem very standard.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Flare
I am the last person EVER to complain about homework. I've been doing late-high school, early-college level work since junior high school (extensive research papers 6+ pages in length, sometimes single spaced and endless powerpoint presentations and we learned how to make resume's in the 7th grade among other random life skills that are actually useful). However, that was a a lot for our age. Everyone in my school was pressured as hell. When we all got to high school, we were overly prepared and most of us (who I still keep in contact with) breezed through it and are breezing through college.
ow people in other states and around the US feel when it comes to ridiculous homework loads. No one should be doing 2 hours worth of homework, nightly, per class (and most students have 5 - 8 classes and some are AP, gifted, or double period) which unfortunately, is the case.
Kids at that ripe 7th grade to 11th grade age don't all have that kind of focus to do that much work unless they've been primed for it mentally since very young, have the full support of their families and the determination. For some of you in this thread to insist that doing excessive amounts of homework to the point where you're just keeping busy and no longer learning is okay, is disturbing. You're either emitting your hatred of the workloads you had to deal with at that age on these kids still in school OR you're simply out of touch with how homework heavy the education system (in some states of the US) has gotten.
I could go further into this topic but I won't. If you're not getting the point by now, you're truly stuck in your bad ways. For that, just read this quote a few more times.
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Again, as I stated in my next post, homework also teaches time management. Good for you that you breezed through high school AND college, but what prepared you for it? INSTILLING GOOD WORK HABITS, which is what the homework has done. Do you think you would have had those habits if you'd NOT done homework? There's learning going on - learning hard work and time management.
Please explain how students in ASIA, particularly Japan, are coping with it. And please dont tell me that they all commit suicide, because the reasons for that vary. Elementary students leave school at 3:30 and go to cram school. Many high schoolers leave their educational settings at 10pm. As one who spent time in Japan, I can attest that our "excessive work load" is about normal for that country.
And no, I do not begrudge the workload I dealt with - I am fully appreciative of the valuable skills it instilled in me. Teaching is NOT an easy job - our work loads far exceed the 8-4pm work day. Add my 2nd job at the university and 3 hours of dance courses. Guess what? I can DO IT because I learned how to cope with excessive work loads.
I stand my ground - if you cannot handle workloads, don't apply for college or even graduate schools!
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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It's funny how the people shouting about how great the excessive workloads haven't learned Freshman Psychology; not everyone's brains are the same.
Everyone doesn't have the same focus, ability to process loads of information and memory.
Excessive homework of all doesn't help all get where they want to go in life even if they don't procrastinate and have determination.
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Member Since: 5/14/2012
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Originally posted by Wafflinson
Maybe my view is colored because I have graduated college already, but I 100% agree.
Even the worst experiences expressed here seem tame compared to a few of my semesters. For example... my student teaching. I am at school from 7 am to 4 pm every day. I get up at 4 so I can spend 2 hours preparing for the day. In the evening I do my own homework (student teachers have classes too). In addition I have interviews, and a credentials file to put together. I then work my other job on weekends.
Sure, and to be honest I was HORRIBLE with homework in high school.
Are anatomy and economics required classes? Those don't seem very standard.
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They are. I have no choice. If I don't take them, I don't graduate.
And the thing with college..I see all of you have a lot to do, however, we're all not going to have the same college experience. While yours is very busy and time consuming, mine may or may not be that way so I don't think that's a fair example.
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