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News: Georgia passes 'guns everywhere' bill
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Some comments in here. I can't . So happy to live in Europe.
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Originally posted by Matangi
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I don't think you understand what this law is 
In Germany it's illegal to carry a gun, it's a crime. So you are probably thinking "they are making it legal to commit crimes, wtf?".
However in America it's a constitutional right, not a crime... lots of people consider guns a normal thing you should never leave the house without, like a cell phone or a wallet. It's not like they said "hey it's legal to get drunk and shoot in the air"
Respect other cultures! Don't be close-minded!
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And I'm in the process of moving there, how convenient. I'll meet you all in hell.
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Absolutely false, countries in Eastern Africa have the highest civil homicide rates and places in the war-torn Middle East are way more dangerous.
Anyways you can't own a gun so your argument is irrelevant... what if a pack of rabid chavs was running after you with knives out like in Harry Brown? If you were downbywednesday you could just pull a gun and shoot them down, if you were you, you'd end up stabbed.
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What kind of flawed logic? You basically just admitted if you couldn't get a gun (as you can't here in England) then you have practically no gun deaths... so why don't we ban guns? How is that 'irrelevant'? 
And I could try and outrun a knife-wielding man rather than someone with a gun. There's a reason you survive knife attacks more than gun attacks.
And yes America, SLAY those poor East African countries with a better crime rate, despite being the richest country in the world. Western Europe and the rest of the civilized world's insanely lower crime rates could NEVER.
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Originally posted by Goosey
I don't think you understand what this law is
In Germany it's illegal to carry a gun, it's a crime. So you are probably thinking "they are making it legal to commit crimes, wtf?".
However in America it's a constitutional right, not a crime... lots of people consider guns a normal thing you should never leave the house without, like a cell phone or a wallet. It's not like they said "hey it's legal to get drunk and shoot in the air"
Respect other cultures! Don't be close-minded!
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Originally posted by Euan
People saying 'if we ban guns, criminals will still get them'
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I can tell you that it is impossible to get one
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1 death per week as a result of a gun.
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Do I need to point out the self-clocking or would someone else do it for me?
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Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population
USA - 10.3
France - 3.01
Canada - 2.38
New Zealand - 1.45
Italy - 1.28
Germany - 1.24
Australia - 1.06
Spain - 0.62
UK - 0.25
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Originally posted by Euan
What kind of flawed logic? You basically just admitted if you couldn't get a gun (as you can't here in England) then you have practically no gun deaths... so why don't we ban guns? How is that 'irrelevant'? |
Who cares if you have more or less gun deaths? The method of the deaths doesn't matter, it's the amount of deaths... gun, knife, hammer, does not matter.
By the way you still have plenty of guns over there. If I'm not mistaken murder and assault and carrying knives are all illegal in the UK yet people still do all of those things on a daily basis.
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And I could try and outrun a knife-wielding man rather than someone with a gun. There's a reason you survive knife attacks more than gun attacks.
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Question: someone is trying to attack you with a knife... would you rather have nothing, or a gun?
Question: someone is trying to attack you with a gun... would you rather have nothing, or a gun?
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Originally posted by Goosey
Who cares if you have more or less gun deaths? The method of the deaths doesn't matter, it's the amount of deaths... gun, knife, hammer, does not matter.
By the way you still have plenty of guns over there. If I'm not mistaken murder and assault and carrying knives are all illegal in the UK yet people still do all of those things on a daily basis.
Question: someone is trying to attack you with a knife... would you rather have nothing, or a gun?
Question: someone is trying to attack you with a gun... would you rather have nothing, or a gun?
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This entire post is just so... stupid 
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This entire post is just so... Stupid |
Says the one who thinks decent, law-abiding people shouldn't be allowed to carry guns or should be turned from law-abiding folk into criminals if they chose to do so...
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Says the one who thinks decent, law-abiding people shouldn't be allowed to carry guns or should be turned from law-abiding folk into criminals if they chose to do so... |
Look at the stats I posted above, they speak for themselves. If you can't see that, then you're clearly delusional.
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Georgia why 
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Says the one who thinks decent, law-abiding people shouldn't be allowed to carry guns or should be turned from law-abiding folk into criminals if they chose to do so... |
This almost reads as satire 
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Originally posted by BlazingLovatic
Look at the stats I posted above, they speaks for the self. If you can't see that, then you're clearly delusional.
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You posted only gun deaths. You are being disingenuous. The method does not matter.
Murder rate:
United States = 14,173 murders in 2013 = 4.8
United Kingdom = 722 murders in 2013 = 1.2
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate
So only about four times the amount of murders. You can't say that's because guns are legal, that would only be a theory. I would assume it's because the United States has more socio-economic problems and lacks a social safety net.
Look at Canada:
Canada = 554 murders = 1.6
About the same as the UK, except we can carry knives and own handguns and semi-automatic rifles without registration... obviously the problem is with culture and society and not whether or not some object is legal.
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Originally posted by Goosey
You posted only gun deaths. You are being disingenuous. The method does not matter.
Murder rate:
United States = 14,173 murders in 2013 = 4.8
United Kingdom = 722 murders in 2013 = 1.2
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate
So only about four times the amount of murders. You can't say that's because guns are legal, that would only be a theory. I would assume it's because the United States has more socio-economic problems and lacks a social safety net.
Look at Canada:
Canada = 554 murders = 1.6
About the same as the UK, except we can carry knives and own handguns and semi-automatic rifles without registration... obviously the problem is with culture and society and not whether or not some object is legal.
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Firstly, this is a thread about guns
In Canada there are is 30.8 guns per 100 people, whilst there are 89 in the US. There is an obvious correlation between the amount of guns & the amount of gun related deaths. That's all
Canada: 1.6/30.8 = 0.052
US: 4.8/89 = 0.054
There isn't even a noticeable difference.
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Originally posted by BlazingLovatic
Firstly, this is a thread about guns
In Canada there are is 30.8 guns per 100 people, whilst there are 89 in the US. There is an obvious correlation between the amount of guns & the amount of gun related deaths. That's all
Canada: 1.6/30.8 = 0.052
US: 4.8/89 = 0.054
There isn't even a noticeable difference.
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I fail to understand how gun murders are somehow worse than other types of murders. Who cares how it's done? 
Country 1 has 4000 knife deaths and 20 gun deaths = 4020 deaths.
Country 2 has 800 gun deaths and 800 knife deaths = 1600 deaths.
Going only by "gun deaths" country 2 would be far worse... except you'd be more likely to end up dead in country 1.
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Canada: 1.6/30.8 = 0.052
US: 4.8/89 = 0.054
There isn't even a noticeable difference
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See? Our murder rate is basically the same as yours, except it sounds bad to say "Canada has as much gun deaths per capita as the US".
But who cares? The overall murder rate is about the same, which is what matters.
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Originally posted by Euan
What kind of flawed logic? You basically just admitted if you couldn't get a gun (as you can't here in England) then you have practically no gun deaths... so why don't we ban guns? How is that 'irrelevant'?
And I could try and outrun a knife-wielding man rather than someone with a gun. There's a reason you survive knife attacks more than gun attacks.
And yes America, SLAY those poor East African countries with a better crime rate, despite being the richest country in the world. Western Europe and the rest of the civilized world's insanely lower crime rates could NEVER. |
ddd too much. 
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Originally posted by Goosey
I fail to understand how gun murders are somehow worse than other types of murders. Who cares how it's done?
Country 1 has 4000 knife deaths and 20 gun deaths = 4020 deaths.
Country 2 has 800 gun deaths and 800 knife deaths = 1600 deaths.
Going only by "gun deaths" country 2 would be far worse... except you'd be more likely to end up dead in country 1.
See? Our murder rate is basically the same as yours, except it sounds bad to say "Canada has as much gun deaths per capita as the US".
But who cares? The overall murder rate is about the same, which is what matters. |
If Artist A sells 1 million copies of 5 singles & 1 million albums, whilst Artist B sells 2 million copies of 3 singles, but only 800k albums, Artist B is more successful judging from singles, but Artist B is more successful when you factor in albums. Now you're asking yourself "what the **** does this have to do with this thread". The answer is: absolutely nothing, just like your post which is about a different matter completely.
P.S. The US's homicide rate per 1,000 people is 4.8, whilst the UK's is 1.23, so you're wrong yet again.
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Originally posted by BlazingLovatic
P.S. The US's homicide rate per 1,000 people is 4.8, whilst the UK's is 1.23, so you're wrong yet again.
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You can't prove causation that America's higher homicide rate is due to guns. You can only say there's a "correlation". Like I said social and economic factors play a much larger role in homicide rates.
You seem to be demonizing inanimate objects some people might give this Glock as a Christmas gift, it's something that brings happiness and joy to many people... other people, for strange reasons, choose to (very unwisely) fear it.
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