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Discussion: ARTPOP Explained?
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Ok actually holy ****ing ****.
"I AM WARHOL" is actually brilliant.
That IS a deconstruction of pop art.
I'm on board
By saying she's as awesome/influential as Warhol, she's in effect, completely taking apart his legacy.
Perfect
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But how can people read so much into this when nothing's been released yet?
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Originally posted by Dip Low
That's what you guys aren't getting.
What you say is the message of this album was the message of the fame (which leads me to believe few of you understand the fame)
Now some of you are making new points (like an actual full performance of decay of the blonde instead of fleeting references), which proves that you know that this is at least something different.
She already did Warhol influences in the Fame. Now it's "I AM WARHOL"
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I never said this had the same message as The Fame, people said it had a similar concept.
Anyway, please do tell me why you think she's saying "I AM WARHOL"? Did you talk to her? Did you see a quote that the obsessive super fans somehow missed?
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Originally posted by Dip Low
That's what you guys aren't getting.
What you say is the message of this album was the message of the fame (which leads me to believe few of you understand the fame)
Now some of you are making new points (like an actual full performance of decay of the blonde instead of fleeting references), which proves that you know that this is at least something different.
She already did Warhol influences in the Fame. Now it's "I AM WARHOL"
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Again, you are just blatantly LYING at this point. I'm convinced you are a troll.
NOWHERE IS SHE SAYING SHE IS WARHOL. She is saying that the upcoming era has similar themes to his work.
THAT'S IT.
The point of this post was to say she has ALWAYS had themes from Warhol, so taking themes from him now is not some brand-new, self-evident, obvious, clear-as-day sign of her being so pretentious it's unbearable and her ego is massive and she doesn't know how to make good music and CHARTFLOP LOL. She has ALWAYS had influence from Warhol. Now that she's tired of people not recognizing it and named an album after it, it's suddenly too much and it's the end of everything?
I'm done replying to you until you stop fabricating straw men.
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Originally posted by Dip Low
Ok actually holy ****ing ****.
"I AM WARHOL" is actually brilliant.
That IS a deconstruction of pop art.
I'm on board
By saying she's as awesome/influential as Warhol, she's in effect, completely taking apart his legacy.
Perfect
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I think I get it all now
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Originally posted by Twai
I just don't know how you can claim the ads represent suffocation but the overwhelming patriotism in the diner doesn't. And, again, she's wearing a humongous hat in a tiny cab and can barely see Beyonce because of everything in the truck. It's there. Just because you refuse to recognize it as there, doesn't mean it's not there.
I'm done debating Telephone. All I'm saying is, if you just for a minute give her the common courtesy of "Maybe she's as smart as she says she is," you don't need to be so negative and cynical because she does back it up, consistently.
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Dude I know Telephone. Keep in mind that I still Stan.
She's a smart girl but like always, you and other little monsters find ways to make her seem much more smart than she actually is
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Originally posted by Dip Low
Ok actually holy ****ing ****.
"I AM WARHOL" is actually brilliant.
That IS a deconstruction of pop art.
I'm on board
By saying she's as awesome/influential as Warhol, she's in effect, completely taking apart his legacy.
Perfect
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If that's the angle in you need, great. I can definitely see this point. She's NOT claiming she's exactly-as Warhol, but if she were, you're right, that would work too.
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The fact that we (both sides) have all these views is a little silly since we haven't heard the actual music .
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Originally posted by Twai
What? are you imagining quotes from her now? Saying her work has similar aims and inspirations is not the same thing as saying she's on his level or just as influential, no matter how many times you all repeat it, she didn't say it.
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She just named her album after his work, turning his work "inside out". She is comparing and that's clearly what she has in mind. Not saying she's better or more influential, but comparing.
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Originally posted by Twai
Again, you are just blatantly LYING at this point. I'm convinced you are a troll.
NOWHERE IS SHE SAYING SHE IS WARHOL. She is saying that the upcoming era has similar themes to his work.
THAT'S IT.
The point of this post was to say she has ALWAYS had themes from Warhol, so taking themes from him now is not some brand-new, self-evident, obvious, clear-as-day sign of her being so pretentious it's unbearable and her ego is massive and she doesn't know how to make good music and CHARTFLOP LOL. She has ALWAYS had influence from Warhol. Now that she's tired of people not recognizing it and named an album after it, it's suddenly too much and it's the end of everything?
I'm done replying to you until you stop fabricating straw men.
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Ahahaha you don't get it, she is saying I AM WARHOL and that's what's so goddamn brilliant.
Oh man I can't believe it was right under my nose
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dunno why, but sometimes i think she has planned her whole ****ing career
she has mentioned Born This Way ... wwaaay before that album, or even before TFM, she mentioned ARTPOP in that letter to her fans with the pizza and stuff !!!
dont know if this is just a coincidence or its really planned, but its frikin awesome !
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Originally posted by Dip Low
Dude I know Telephone. Keep in mind that I still Stan.
She's a smart girl but like always, you and other little monsters find ways to make her seem much more smart than she actually is
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So there's just a specific level of smart that I'm allowed to pay attention to but any evidence I see beyond that level that you've defined, and suddenly I'm reaching?
Again, you haven't ONCE told me how I reached. You claimed all kinds of things don't represent suffocation, but if you give her the common courtesy of having intended the stuff that made it in the video (which I think should be obvious for every artist), I don't get how YOU get to define what was intentional and she doesn't.
That's like me claiming the scene of Rihanna in S&M plastic-wrapped to the wall with a bunch of people taking pictures of her and newsprint projected on her body, has absolutely nothing to do with her reacting to how she's portrayed in the media and how she has a love-hate relationship with paparazzi and critics. If I said anyone who says that's what she intended is reaching and delusional lol as usual lmao mirite, I'd look stupid, not Rihanna.
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Originally posted by Dip Low
Ahahaha you don't get it, she is saying I AM WARHOL and that's what's so goddamn brilliant.
Oh man I can't believe it was right under my nose
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My ignorance precedes me. Why is that brilliant?
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I can't tell whether people are trolling in here or not
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omg the threads, essays, analyses, impassioned arguments over 6 letters
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Originally posted by Auraeolux
The fact that we (both sides) have all these views is a little silly since we haven't heard the actual music .
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But in no way i'm judging the music. I'm just saying that she's raising the bar for the music, which is quite risqué.
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Uh, I'm saying those don't represent suffocation. By saying they do, you're REACHING.
S&M is a brilliant music video that falls so far into a meta-cycle that Spike Jonze may have secretly directed it
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Originally posted by Dip Low
It's ****ing pretentious because she's blatantly saying she's as influential as Andy Warhol now
Call that some meta-commentary, but in the end it's a really foolish statement.
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Originally posted by Dip Low
It was all so tongue-in-cheek, that's the point I'm trying to make
This won't be. It'll be pretentious to make fun of people being pretentious, but instead of being clever it'll just come off as a pretentious way of mocking pretentious people.
Pretentiouception
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Originally posted by Dip Low
... Now apparently using Andy Warhol is juvenile.
And she is just name dropping him. If she intended to have his influence in the album be genuine, she wouldn't give it such a tacky name. It's a really blunt way of saying "2deep4u"
Whatever, enjoy the era girls. I'll pop back into the pool when there's some good music and a good video to go with it
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Originally posted by Dip Low
Also, if you all want a true depiction of Pop art being turned inside out, watch "Exit Through the Gift Shop".
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I hope MrP makes his way into this thread.
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Originally posted by Nicole
omg the threads, essays, analyses, impassioned arguments over 6 letters
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They call her the queen of Controversy for a reason.
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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Originally posted by Dip Low
Ahahaha you don't get it, she is saying I AM WARHOL and that's what's so goddamn brilliant.
Oh man I can't believe it was right under my nose
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If you're being serious, I applaud you. If you're mocking me...
I can get behind "I AM WARHOL" as brilliant pop art deconstruction. I don't think she's quite there yet. The era MAY get there, and I'd be on board, but the point of this thread is: to write her off for simply DARING to bring up Warhol, is utterly absurd. That's all I'm saying.
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