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Celeb News: Gaga: "I may not be conservative but I'm Christian"
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Originally posted by loveless
More rational? Why because their personal preferences align with yours? Again arguing whether something is morally good with you, an atheist, is the equivalent of arguing whether a movie or game was good or bad. It will be a waste of time because I'll always be right if I believe I am and you will always be right if you believe you are, according to your worldview. Tolerance, sis, lets use it  |
murdering homosexuals and atheists, other people with different faith, having women as a man's slave, having your eye and/or hand cut for "lusting" etc. etc. etc. is not "morally" good in any way, shape or form. My views goes as to being critical of something you cannot have evidence for, hence why not beliving in it or follow such "morally good" views that christianity or any similar religion wants to push as a way people must control and limit their thinking and acting.
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
murdering homosexuals and atheists, other people with different faith, having women as a man's slave, having your eye and/or hand cut for "lusting" etc. etc. etc. is not "morally" good in any way, shape or form. My views goes as to being critical of something you cannot have evidence for, hence why not beliving in it or follow such "morally good" views that christianity or any similar religion wants to push as a way people must control and limit their thinking and acting.
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You do realize that even then all that is just your personal opinion? If Morality is subjective or relative as you claim, then all those things you have listed are morally good to those who think it is. Raping, killing, cannibalism, etc. are no worse or better, objectively that is, than littering or or stealing food when you're starving. If morality is relative, your opinion on what is good or bad is just your opinion, and every differing opinion is just as valid as yours. You are essentially tell me how morally wrong somebody is for liking the color purple, you're doing way more than your worldview allows you to do.
The fact that you're structuring your arguments in such a way to suggest certain things are absolutely wrong suggest that you don't truly believe morality to be relative. So what's the truth? Is murdering homosexuals and atheist morally right as long as the people doing believes it is, or is it always morally wrong?
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So she pandered to satanists during the Born This Way era and now she is back to Christianity...
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Waiting for the "I'm not homophobic but I think marriage should be between a man and a woman" tweet.
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Chris·tian
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noun
1.
a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
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Believing in Christ makes you a Christian. You don't have to follow the Bible and its teachings to the dot in order to be one. That's why Christianity has many sects. Stop trying to police what people consider themselves.
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Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS
Believing in Christ makes you a Christian.
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According to the Bible it doesn't. 
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Originally posted by Pharaoh
According to the Bible it doesn't. |
Some people don't adhere to the Bible, a book written by man. People have their own personal faith system, whether it comes from being exclusively religious, growing up in the environment, or finding it on their own. I'm a Christian and the Bible is just another interesting fantasy novel to me. I also don't believe in organized religion. Doesn't change my faith and how I identify myself.
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Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS
Believing in Christ makes you a Christian. You don't have to follow the Bible and its teachings to the dot in order to be one. That's why Christianity has many sects. Stop trying to police what people consider themselves.
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Christians believe Jesus is God. The Bible is God's inspired word. So how are you going to believe in God and follow his teachings and deny his word and his teachings? Is that even possible?
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Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS
Some people don't adhere to the Bible, a book written by man. People have their own personal faith system, whether it comes from being exclusively religious, growing up in the environment, or finding it on their own. I'm a Christian and the Bible is just another interesting fantasy novel to me. I also don't believe in organized religion. Doesn't change my faith and how I identify myself.
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So is your faith based off of feelings? Because feeling can be deceptive.
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Originally posted by loveless
You do realize that even then all that is just your personal opinion? If Morality is subjective or relative as you claim, then all those things you have listed are morally good to those who think it is. Raping, killing, cannibalism, etc. are no worse or better, objectively that is, than littering or or stealing food when you're starving. If morality is relative, your opinion on what is good or bad is just your opinion, and every differing opinion is just as valid as yours. You are essentially tell me how morally wrong somebody is for liking the color purple, you're doing way more than your worldview allows you to do.
The fact that you're structuring your arguments in such a way to suggest certain things are absolutely wrong suggest that you don't truly believe morality to be relative. So what's the truth? Is murdering homosexuals and atheist morally right as long as the people doing believes it is, or is it always morally wrong?
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most of my arguments come from scientific and critical thinking of something that is right or wrong. A book that presents itself to be true, yet have specific rules written in that should apply on how people must follow their life in order to potentially have an enternal after-life is beyond stupid. And other things that were proved to be incorrect. And you still expect a book that presents to be "100% true", yet has thousands of sects and interpretations makes that religious idea bogus. My favorite part of people who still follow such religion is when they say it's "symbolic" suddenly, are you kidding me? 
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Originally posted by Abyssy
Don't know what half of y'all are laughing at in here, the posters saying that she's not really Christian are correct. She may call herself a Christian but she's liberal, supports gay marriage etc. and that's not Christian.
Even some of you in here probably consider yourself Christian but the fact that you're gay and likely support LGBT rights goes directly against what Christianity stands for. You don't get to pick and choose parts of your holy book to agree with and others to ignore just because you feel like it, doesn't work like that.
True Christianity is by definition conservative  .
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This is ironic because contrasted with the Judaic and the Graeco-Roman world, Christianity was very liberal for its time. It was actually the conservatives of the time that opposed and crucified Jesus for his liberal ideas. Jesus rallied against the conservative norms of the day, questioned the powers of the religious and political authorities, advocated for separation of church and state and equality for everyone. He died for challenging the whole status quo which is exactly the opposite of conservative. But you cannot define Christianity by just one dimension. There is no "one true Christianity", but rather a highly disjoint and varied set of beliefs. There are plenty of ideas in the Bible that can be used to support and justify conservative and liberal beliefs alike. Christianity encompasses many positions and orientations on all sides of the spectrum. There is no entity with the authority to say who is or who is not a "true" Christian.
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
most of my arguments come from scientific and critical thinking of something that is right or wrong. A book that presents itself to be true, yet have specific rules written in that should apply on how people must follow their life in order to potentially have an enternal after-life is beyond stupid. And other things that were proved to be incorrect. And you still expect a book that presents to be "100% true", yet has thousands of sects and interpretations makes that religious idea bogus. My favorite part of people who still follow such religion is when they say it's "symbolic" suddenly, are you kidding me? |
The Bible didn't suddenly become symbolic. It has been treated as an allegory or a metaphor upon its compilation in the 4th century which is exactly the reason why biblical hermeneutics (the science of interpretation of ancient texts) exists.
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Originally posted by Abyssy
Don't know what half of y'all are laughing at in here, the posters saying that she's not really Christian are correct. She may call herself a Christian but she's liberal, supports gay marriage etc. and that's not Christian.
Even some of you in here probably consider yourself Christian but the fact that you're gay and likely support LGBT rights goes directly against what Christianity stands for. You don't get to pick and choose parts of your holy book to agree with and others to ignore just because you feel like it, doesn't work like that.
True Christianity is by definition conservative .
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You sound so dumb.
Being a "true" Christian is as simple as believing Jesus Christ died for our sins.
Your opinion on gay marriage and abortion has nothing to do with your beliefs.
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
you can choose what you want to believe in, but you can't choose who you find attractive.
ideologies deserves to have open criticism.
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People here are saying you can't be Christian and not be conservative. A person's personal beliefs are their own, you can't tell them because they identify as something they have to follow specific ideals therein. Criticizing ideologies isn't the same as telling people what they believe or what they are because of how they label themselves. That's the intolerance in this thread.
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
murdering homosexuals and atheists, other people with different faith, having women as a man's slave, having your eye and/or hand cut for "lusting" etc. etc. etc. is not "morally" good in any way, shape or form. My views goes as to being critical of something you cannot have evidence for, hence why not beliving in it or follow such "morally good" views that christianity or any similar religion wants to push as a way people must control and limit their thinking and acting.
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This is so incredibly ignorant. You're acting like that's what Christianity stands for and it's not by any means at all.
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Originally posted by Melquiades
You cant be Christian and NOT be conservative, sorry. If you stand by Christianity´s values then you are a conservative, plain and simple.
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This has got to be one of the most ignorant uneducated things ive ever read on this site
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
murdering homosexuals and atheists, other people with different faith, having women as a man's slave, having your eye and/or hand cut for "lusting" etc. etc. etc. is not "morally" good in any way, shape or form. My views goes as to being critical of something you cannot have evidence for, hence why not beliving in it or follow such "morally good" views that christianity or any similar religion wants to push as a way people must control and limit their thinking and acting.
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nevermind my previous comment this beats it
what do you think this is the 1600's???
just because its in the bible doesn't mean its 'good'
the bible isn't just a rule book, its a culture,history,etc.
C-o-n-t-e-x-t
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A religious debate... Yall needed to stop.. Smh Joanne stop catering to myth too.. Ugh
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Originally posted by man*****
A religious debate... Yall needed to stop.. Smh Joanne stop catering to myth too.. Ugh
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You can believe what you want, but it's insensitive to criticize someone for their beliefs like that.
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the essays 
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