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Discussion: As whites, do you feel you need to speak up on BLM?
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Originally posted by Communion
It's not rewriting the definition - it's THE definition used on sociology-based discussions about power structures. Just because you are uneducated on it doesn't mean it's not a respected, commonly used academic definition.
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Instead of highlighting a small part of my post and humiliating yourself, give my post a re-read then come back to me with your comments. Thanks!
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I do, but it's interesting in New Zealand cause there are so few "black" people so few opportunities arise in real life.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Ryann
Again, no - this is people re-writing the definition of racism to suit their agenda and imply that black people cannot be racist. I don't believe you specifically think that but they always mention systemic and social discrimination which yes, it cannot happen to white people, but we aren't just discussing that specific form of racism, we are talking about racism in general.
That's the point I'm making. Can black people be racist? Yes.
If a white person thinks black people are ugly monkeys, that's racist. If a black person thinks white people are ugly crackers, that's racist.
However, because of the systemic and social discrimination, people will have more of a problem with the first example because black people are significantly more disadvantaged than whites. That's where it gets mixed up and confused, in my opinion.
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Well it's the definition of racism that can affect someone in the biggest way. But whatever, let's give white people that. They can feel racism too. YAY WHITE PEOPLE. Congrats! You're able to be oppressed! But are you?
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Originally posted by swissman
Well it's the definition of racism that can affect someone in the biggest way. But whatever, let's give white people that. They can feel racism too. YAY WHITE PEOPLE. Congrats! You're able to be oppressed! But are you?
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I'm half black but scalp me I guess
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No.
And I dont like the direction the movement has gone. Its very confrontational which just turns white people off. At which point youre just preaching to the converted,
And yes I do get why its called Black Lives Matter. But i still think the term All Lives Matter would make the exact same point(that black lives matter as much as anybody elses) without being a s divisive and inflammatory. Its a much more inclusive term that everybody can get behind.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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No.
Even when I was initially supportive of the movement, I didn't feel it was my place to interject myself as the movement did not come from a place that I, as a white person, could fully understand. I could only sympathize, so beyond extending a hand it wasn't my place to speak.
That said, what the movement started as has evolved into something completely different and counterproductive now that Twitter got it's filthy hands on it, but that's par for the keyboard activism course.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Ryann
I'm half black but scalp me I guess
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I didn't mean you specifically.
But proving white people can face racism doesn't change that they don't really face any hardship at all because of racism against them.
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Originally posted by Rentboy
No.
And I dont like the direction the movement has gone. Its very confrontational which just turns white people off. At which point youre just preaching to the converted,
And yes I do get why its called Black Lives Matter. But i still think the term All Lives Matter would make the exact same point(that black lives matter as much as anybody elses) without being a s divisive and inflammatory. Its a much more inclusive term that everybody can get behind.
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It's called Black Lives Matter because it's specifically aimed at raising awareness of black lives and the fact that black people are treated way differently. Saying All Lives Matter does not get the point across in the same way, because Black Lives Matter sounds like an answer to something else, a response and a reminder.
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Member Since: 6/7/2005
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No, mainly because I'm not a US citizen.
We have way more problems here in my country but thankfully race is not one of them.
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Originally posted by Truffle.
i don't feel the need to do anything because of my skin colour
i do it cus i want to, not because i'm white
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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I do not feel i should say somethig bc of my skin color, but bc speaking up and acting in support of the BLM movement is necessary. But at the same time no, I don't feel like i need to bc as soon as we say something we're "trying too hard", or we're told they, (black people), don't need our pity or "fake" support, so....
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Originally posted by swissman
I didn't mean you specifically.
But proving white people can face racism doesn't change that they don't really face any hardship at all because of racism against them.
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That's not my intention. I've already said that racism against white people will never be as problematic as racism against POC for numerous reasons. My point was that black people can be racist, not just to white people but to asians, hispanics etc despite what others will say.
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Member Since: 6/24/2011
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I support BLM but it remember, not all white people are from America
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Yes, in some ways. But a think a lot of the issue lies with corrupt police in general, not entirely with race, and that's a problem that needs to be highlighted. Police shot and killed an unarmed deaf man the other day (there's a thread about it somewhere on here) and nobody is talking about it, likely bc he is white and it isn't a racism issue.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I'm not white nor black; I'm Asian.
But i think it's really important to be an ally to the BLM. and explain why the lives of black people must be magnified and about the racial injustice. However, as much as possible, I reference to reasons made by black people because I do not want to take their platforms nor invade it.
It's their voices that must be heard. I think our responsibility as allies is to make sure that the message of the BLM comes across and educate others about it.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by swissman
It's called Black Lives Matter because it's specifically aimed at raising awareness of black lives and the fact that black people are treated way differently. Saying All Lives Matter does not get the point across in the same way, because Black Lives Matter sounds like an answer to something else, a response and a reminder.
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This.
There's this comic I saw that gave an analogy.. it's like how black lives are like houses on fire. Sure, all houses matter (all lives matter) but the one that really needs the most attention is the house that is under fire.
Black Lives Matter magnifies the problem and puts it into the people's minds. It raises awareness that black lives are under attack and victims of the systematic racism in America and under the police.
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