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News: Serena Williams exposed as disgusting victim blamer.
Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by J a y
- If you leave your car unlocked, you are more likely to have it stolen.
- If you get very intoxicated, you are more likely to be assaulted.
We all have a responsibility to be careful, and I believe that's what Selena and members here are saying.
Unfortunately, young teens seem to forget the dangers of getting so wasted you don't know what's going on.
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While that's true, it still doesn't mean that you wont have your car window busted and broken into. It also doesn't mean someone wont assault you anyway. The issue is not about probable cause, but about self control. If people were not raping then there'd be no reason to defend yourself against a rapist. Not to mention that you could be at a family function, fully sober and still be raped. I do agree that preventative measures are nice tips for teens, but they are hardly getting at the root of the issue.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by SOTDH
So she deserves to be raped because she passed out? Mess.
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She didn't deserve that,but if her UNDER AGED BUTT wouldn't have been drinking in the first place,she'd never have passed out.
Again it's all about making smart choices to prevent this kinda ish. I am a woman MYSELF,I would ever want a fellow woman to be brutally abused and violated against her will.people making me seem like the bad guy. I think as women we should take better precaution.
That is all..
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Member Since: 10/28/2011
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You know what, in response to what Jay said: the locked house-unlocked house analogy does not work. All houses are houses. A nice mansion is a nice mansion. A nice mansion could be very well manned and guarded and have every door and window locked, but that would not make the nice mansion less attractive to potential robbers.
It would not be the mansion's owner's fault for 'insufficiently' protecting their home - even if only some of the windows and doors were locked and guarded. It is still all the robber's fault, which is why the robber would be arrested and charged rather than the home owner.
You leave doors open when you throw a party. It does not make it your fault if a robber comes in and raises hell. You dress like a hoe for a party. It is still NOT YOUR FAULT if someone rapes you.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by Artemisia
and I bet you wouldn't tell someone who got beat up "well maybe you shouldn't have dressed like that".
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I'll say "surround yourself with people who love and respect you because there are ****** people in this world and it's not worth the risk exposing your true self to them." Again, not placing any blame on the victim, but giving them advice to take preventive measures in the future.
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Y'all are putting words into our mouths. So frustrating. Stop fuming for two ****ing seconds and actually listen.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
Posts: 29,579
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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A
Now what you are saying is stupid, we all have the rights to be whoever we want to be and there is no reason to hide yourself so you can please others.
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What are you talking about, sis?
It's simply a matter of personal responsibility. If you don't want to be attacked for being gay, you shouldn't put yourself in a vulnerable position! You shouldn't dress or act flamboyantly!
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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i personally feel as though those 2 dudes intended to rape her no matter what
Sober or not...they has it on their minds...and they give us men bad names because ppl want to play that and that all men are sexual deviants and **** like that
And it's not even about the parents teaching their boys to not rape...it's those dumb ****s who should know **** like that is not okay...they aren't 7...their damn near adults...shot like that doesn't need to be taught for its common ****ing sense
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Originally posted by TheAqua
and at the last minute changed her mind.
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I mean...
ummm does no not mean no?
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Member Since: 8/2/2010
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Some of you in this thread are digusting...did any of you actually follow the case? She wasn't DRUNK she was drugged. that is how she got so far gone. I'll be sure to remember the next time I drink one alcoholic beverage and get drugged, then raped, that it was my fault. Cause yes, it is in a mans disposition to rape and I should have known better. I should live my life on guard 24/7 because I should know better that men rape
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Member Since: 3/3/2012
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Originally posted by Artemisia
What are you talking about, sis?
It's simply a matter of personal responsibility. If you don't want to be attacked for being gay, you shouldn't put yourself in a vulnerable position! You shouldn't dress or act flamboyantly!
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Stop trying to make it about the rape, read what Jack! said instead.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Callisto.
I mean...
ummm does no not mean no?
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Right!? as if because you changed your mind, it doesn't mean anything anymore.
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Member Since: 9/14/2010
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
You know what, in response to what Jay said: the locked house-unlocked house analogy does not work. All houses are houses. A nice mansion is a nice mansion. A nice mansion could be very well manned and guarded and have every door and window locked, but that would not make the nice mansion less attractive to potential robbers.
It would not be the mansion's owner's fault for 'insufficiently' protecting their home - even if only some of the windows and doors were locked and guarded. It is still all the robber's fault, which is why the robber would be arrested and charged rather than the home owner.
You leave doors open when you throw a party. It does not make it your fault if a robber comes in and raises hell. You dress like a hoe for a party. It is still NOT YOUR FAULT if someone rapes you.
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No one is saying it is the victims fault. Most of us here are saying that there are measures to prevent such acts.
Of course, you could be raped whilst sober, but that isn't the case here.
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
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Originally posted by Callisto.
I mean...
ummm does no not mean no?
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dd
I will never understand the logic of some of these users
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
Posts: 12,811
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Originally posted by TheAqua
She didn't deserve that,but if her UNDER AGED BUTT wouldn't have been drinking in the first place,she'd never have passed out.
Again it's all about making smart choices to prevent this kinda ish. I am a woman MYSELF,I would ever want a fellow woman to be brutally abused and violated against her will.people making me seem like the bad guy. I think as women we should take better precaution.
That is all..
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pretty much.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Jack!
So many people putting words in other peoples mouths.
It is NEVER right for a male to rape a female or for a female to rape a male. Period. No more or less to that, so that's clearly layed down and anyone who disagrees with that has some sort of problem.
We live in a day and age where sexual predators are at such a high advantage. In this very example, the girl was under the influence, and that's the key word. Influence. She was out of her own influence and being under the influence of drink puts her (or anyone for that matter) in a dangerous situation due to the type of people who are intentionally looking for young girls to take advantage of. It's not her fault she got raped, but, there are so many safety precautions young girls should take and think about as anything can happen in these situations. It's a lesson to be learned. Girls need to really make sure they're keeping themselves safe from these situations, sometimes these terrible things happen.
And this girl, while she went through something so terrible, she escaped death, which a lot of girls and women in the same situation can't say. In those terms, I really don't think Serena's "she's lucky" comment was overly terrible.
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This tbh. It's like me walking into a violent area, with a wallet full of cash and gold jewelry. If some decides to rob me, I can say "Well people shouldn't thieve". Which is true, but I have to take some responsibility for not taking any precautions before walking into that area. Even though I'm not doing anything wrong, knowing the reality of the situation, I could have prevented the outcome. I'm not saying all rape is preventable. But from what I've read, she could have made better decisions tbh.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Or, you know, have friends who would protect you in a situation like that.
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Member Since: 6/23/2012
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Do some of you realize you're basically saying women shouldn't go out, have fun, party, etc. because of the possibility of rape? Like, how do they KNOW it's gonna happen?
Is there some kind of rapist attire or badge of honor I'm not aware of?
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Starburst
Or, you know, have friends who would protect you in a situation like that.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Everyone has to make better decisions but the rapists.
I understand now.
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