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Discussion: Are Katy and Rih the Last Girls Standing?
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Originally posted by ethan
No she did not. Beyonce knew what she was doing. You think she spent a year secretly filming music videos, releasing the little snippets and blowing up the internet each time, performing at the super bowl, going on tour, etc. and expected to flop?  She has more self-confidence than that. She may not have expected it to do as well as it did, but she knew it was going to be successful. Also, I never said she was running for success. You completely missed the point of my post. |
Actually she did say that in an interview for the album release. She wasn't sure how the album was going to be received and was nervous . Plus the Superbowl was 11 months ago and the tour at time contained no new songs from the album.
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
Why are people even mentioning touring when Katy and Rihanna's touring number goes up with each tour? Beyonce has been in the game for almost 2 decades... Let's not act like she's been around since 2005-2008 like Katy and Rihanna. She's had a much longer amount of time to garner a fanbase (who are essentially the ones who go to concerts)
Everyone likes to try and downplay single success, but ask random people on the street to name 5 songs of the BEYONCE album and majority won't be able to do that. Album sales are hyped up to be more than they are on ATRL simply because some girls underperform single-wise.
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you NAILED this one, exactly my point 
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
Rih is not exactly my cup of tea but she has definitely been slaying a lot so yes. Unless she doesn't care about singles, her singles do very well usually. And Katy is the Queen of Contemporary Pop Music so of course she is still standing.
So yes, right now it's those two. Beyoncé and Gaga are at that point in their careers where they are more free to experiment with their music and be creative and that's cool if they like that. I hope they have a huge single soon though. Lorde and Taylor are kind of young but watch out! Same for Miley! They have potential.
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Dead at Taylor being grouped with Miley and Lorde when She debuted before Katy, Gaga, and Rihanna, was the best selling female artist of 2009 and 2013, has two $100 million+ world tours, has four consecutive albums that went at least 4 times platinum in the States, is the youngest winner of Grammy for Album of the Year, is the only female artist to have two albums sell over a million copies in a week, has the record for the biggest sales week for a single by a female artist, etc.
"Kind of young but watch out!" She's so much bigger than Katy and Rihanna, in the States at the very least. 
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Originally posted by ethan
Promoting the single IS promoting the album I suppose the tour isn't promo either?
I agree, she doesn't care. That doesn't matter though, even if she did, she couldn't match Katy. Are any of her singles in her career as big as Katy's biggest hits? |
If you consider two performances "promoting the album", that's fine. My point still stands. The singles haven't sold because she isn't promoting them. The album sales declined because she isn't promoting it.
And yes: Single Ladies, Halo, Irreplaceable, Telephone, If I Were A Boy, ect.
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Originally posted by ethan
So the fact that Katy's album sales don't trail Bey's by that much AND she already has two massive singles from the album puts her ahead. The reasons why they're big and Beyonce's aren't are irrelevant.
Beyonce has outsold Prism, but Prism is not even two months older. Don't compare it to Unapologetic. Plus look at Katy's album sales pre-Prism. Teenage Dream has great sales now after 2+ years of hits, but it started off poorly and nobody expected Prism to sell as well as it has in this short of an amount of time. I feel like it's a given that Beyonce's album sales would be better, but they aren't THAT much better.
I'm on Beyonce's side in the Bey vs. Rihanna stuff, 100%. But I'm not gonna let "no promo" pass as a reason that Beyonce should be above Katy.
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BEYONCE outsold PRISM with less promotion and it will remain that way.
Dangerously in Love sold more than One of the Boys and Teenage Dream combined.
BEYONCE has sold more than PRISM and so has 4 (as of right now), not to mention the fact she has two additional 8M-selling albums. Katy is lacking in album sales because she is a singles artist. Bey is lacking in singles sales (although her singles sell acceptably) because she is an albums artist.
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Originally posted by BrooklynBoy
When you compare it to $230m
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If that's what you call lacking then you're delusional, Rihanna's gross goes up every tour.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by SlayingOnTheEarth
Beyonce is never in the same league as them, she's above them. That's why they know not to ever talk badly about her. So you can take her out of the equation. Never liken her to Ke$ha, or Britney again. I'm offended and embarrassed for you
And mess @ the new "drag" being frontloaded, like that's a bad thing. I guess ya'll learned a new word  |
Like every time I log on I'm just amazed by the delusional mess I see on here.
You killed me with the "front loaded" part. 
They come up with everything
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Originally posted by ThirdWardBey
If you consider two performances "promoting the album", that's fine. My point still stands. The singles haven't sold because she isn't promoting them. The album sales declined because she isn't promoting it.
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But she promoted them singles during "4" era and they all underperformed/flopped. So
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
Everyone likes to try and downplay single success, but ask random people on the street to name 5 songs of the BEYONCE album and majority won't be able to do that. Album sales are hyped up to be more than they are on ATRL simply because some girls underperform single-wise.
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Sounds like you're being a hypocrite and trying to downplay B's success. And that's complete BS. Like people would know PRISM/Unapologetic's album tracks over BEYONCE's?
No. Bye.
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Y'all can call Bey frontloaded all you want be the FACTS are that she has outsold both of Rihanna's last albums and outgrossed her tour-wise. Y'all stay being delusional.
But I forgot, you all are looking for single driven achievements...
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Beyoncé isn't promoting that's why. She's still the 3rd biggest pop girl right now.
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Member Since: 12/21/2011
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Originally posted by ThirdWardBey
Katy is lacking in album sales because she is a singles artist. Bey is lacking in singles sales (although her singles sell acceptably) because she is an albums artist.
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So
Artist 1 sells 20+ million singles off one album.
Artist 1 sells 3 million albums.
Artist 2 sells 3 million singles off one album.
Artist 2 sells 3.5 million albums.
How come artist 1 is singles artist and artist 2 is album artist?
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
But she promoted them singles during "4" era and they all underperformed/flopped. So
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Yet 4 outsold both Rihanna's last two albums in America and matched it's sales worldwide, without #1 hit songs.
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
So
Artist 1 sells 20+ million singles off one album.
Artist 1 sells 3 million albums.
Artist 2 sells 3 million singles off one album.
Artist 2 sells 3.5 million albums.
How come artist 1 is singles artist and artist 2 is album artist? |
Because artist 1 promotes their singles, which sell more than the album??? Using current album sales won't matter anyways because artist 2's album will clearly outsell artist 1's album in the long run. See previous post for example.
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
Why are people even mentioning touring when Katy and Rihanna's touring number goes up with each tour? Beyonce has been in the game for almost 2 decades... Let's not act like she's been around since 2005-2008 like Katy and Rihanna. She's had a much longer amount of time to garner a fanbase (who are essentially the ones who go to concerts)
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Which is why SHE is the only one "standing".
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
Everyone likes to try and downplay single success, but ask random people on the street to name 5 songs of the BEYONCE album and majority won't be able to do that. Album sales are hyped up to be more than they are on ATRL simply because some girls underperform single-wise.
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And if you ask random people on the street to name 5 songs from PRISM or Unapologetic, they wouldn't be able to do that either. If you asked random people to name the album Roar or Dark Horse is on, could they? Doubt it. 
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
But she promoted them singles during "4" era and they all underperformed/flopped. So
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Actually no
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After Knowles' performance of "Love on Top" at the 2011 MTV Video Music Awards, the song was propelled into the top five positions of the US iTunes Store; its sales picked up by 221 percent. The following week, the song soared number 10 on the Hot Digital Songs chart, selling 113,000 downloads; digital sales went up by 803%. This prompted the entry of "Love on Top" at number 20 on the Hot 100 chart. The Hot 100 debut of "Love on Top" became Knowles' second highest among her 29 solo career entries; only "Ring the Alarm" began at a higher position, at number 12 in 2006.
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All from ONE and the ONLY live performance of that song - while PREGNANT
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
Yet 4 outsold both Rihanna's last two albums in America and matched it's sales worldwide, without #1 hit songs.
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Since when "4" is at 3.8m WW?
Last time I checked it was at 2.9m 
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Originally posted by HumanitySector
So
Artist 1 sells 20+ million singles off one album.
Artist 1 sells 3 million albums.
Artist 2 sells 3 million singles off one album.
Artist 2 sells 3.5 million albums.
How come artist 1 is singles artist and artist 2 is album artist? |
You know exactly what he meant. Stop acting like a dumbass. You've always been mad at Bey's success and the FACT that she has always been above your fave.
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Originally posted by JakeKills
Dead at Taylor being grouped with Miley and Lorde when She debuted before Katy, Gaga, and Rihanna, was the best selling female artist of 2009 and 2013, has two $100 million+ world tours, has four consecutive albums that went at least 4 times platinum in the States, is the youngest winner of Grammy for Album of the Year, is the only female artist to have two albums sell over a million copies in a week, has the record for the biggest sales week for a single by a female artist, etc.
"Kind of young but watch out!" She's so much bigger than Katy and Rihanna, in the States at the very least. |
I love Taylor and I know she does very well with albums and tours and people love her but she needs more worldwide exposure, she hasn't done a single Latin American tour, I mean come on, even Demi has gone to Latin America, why doesn't Taylor try it too? Plus I can count with the fingers of one hand the number of pop smashes she's had. She needs to do more pop rather than country for me to consider her in the pop category. I don't know...I feel like she can do even greater things but she has an impressing career nonetheless.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
Yet 4 outsold both Rihanna's last two albums in America and matched it's sales worldwide, without #1 hit songs.
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Outsold by how much though? It's not like it outsold them both by 5M copies, not even 2M.
So it doesn't matter if it outsold or matched Rihanna's last two albums, because 500k copies is barely outselling. Adele is the prime example of outselling Rihanna, not Beyonce. And singles, there's not a single question.
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Member Since: 12/21/2011
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Originally posted by suneclipse121
You know exactly what he meant. Stop acting like a dumbass. You've always been mad at Bey's success and the FACT that she has always been above your fave.
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the FACT is my fave outsold Bey's record numbers during beginning of Loud 4 years ago. But Ok 
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I would feel bad if my fave, was everywhere, hawking out an album, with album discounts and clear channel deals.Yet selling lessee than the singles.
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