[Retro]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

Okay and? One year isn't going dramatically change the sales of a song.

And the difference between Stay and SIO also isn't dramatic, especially considering SIO is still going strong.

[Deemy]

Originally posted by Deemy

2009 was the peak of digital sales.

Digital Music Sales Decrease For First Time in 2013

Stay was released in 2013. Find another way to prove your point. Thanks.

[♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚]

Originally posted by fridayteenage

Didn't 1989 just pass 4 million? Yes yes it did.

Oop

[Retro]

Alright, Stay was released as sales turned. It was still released in a better market, and its sales lead considering SIO is still doing well is not significant. You're really not doing well by comparing just two of the singles, especially in the US, when in the US the album has doubled Loud's total and will well outdo the tour.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by Arioso

And the difference between Stay and SIO also isn't dramatic, especially considering SIO is still going strong.

And a slight change in the sales climate doesn't mean they sold the same, sorry.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Deemy

Digital Music Sales Decrease For First Time in 2013

Stay was released in 2013. Find another way to prove your point. Thanks.

And yet I proved the point that 2009 was not the peak, and Stay was released probably a couple weeks after digital sales peaked if we're really going to debate over a Jan. 7th 2013 release.

[liberalmusiclover]

Originally posted by idkher

3.7 million actually https://twitter.com/chartnews/status/558052172370575360

Mess. S&M sold that as the THIRD single from Loud

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by Arioso

Alright, Stay was released as sales turned. It was still released in a better market, and its sales lead considering SIO is still doing well is not significant. You're really not doing well by comparing just two of the singles, especially in the US, when in the US the album has doubled Loud's total and will well outdo the tour.

The touring climate has changed, so I guess that doesn't count right?

[Retro]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

And a slight change in the sales climate doesn't mean they sold the same, sorry.

Nor is that what I said, I was pointing out that you have to account for it and SIO, with or without it, will still outsell stay.

[Retro]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

The touring climate has changed, so I guess that doesn't count right?

Did I say **** "didn't count"? Hm? No? Pls stop twisting my words to help your side of the argument.

[Deemy]

Originally posted by Arioso

Alright, Stay was released as sales turned. It was still released in a better market, and its sales lead considering SIO is still doing well is not significant. You're really not doing well by comparing just two of the singles, especially in the US, when in the US the album has doubled Loud's total and will well outdo the tour.

From the poll results we all agreed that 1989 is doing better than Loud. Anyone with a brain can see that. So we dont know where you are going with your other points...

In some markets, Taylor is still trailing Loud. And yes Loud is pass the 6M mark. SOmeone they said up to last week they saw a sales figure of (5.6M), nice joke. It was at 5.9M at the end of 2012. Its at 6.2M at the end of 2013.

[Deemy]

Originally posted by Arioso

And yet I proved the point that 2009 was not the peak, and Stay was released probably a couple weeks after digital sales peaked if we're really going to debate over a Jan. 7th 2013 release.

2009 is closer to 2010 than 2012 is. lol.

Look at the Top Selling Digital Songs of all time lists.. most of those hits are from 2009-2011.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Deemy

From the poll results we all agreed that 1989 is doing better than Loud. Anyone with a brain can see that. So we dont know where you are going with your other points...

In some markets, Taylor is still trailing Loud. And yes Loud is pass the 6M mark. SOmeone they said up to last week they saw a sales figure of (5.6M), nice joke. It was at 5.9M at the end of 2012. Its at 6.2M at the end of 2013.

I agree it sold over 6m and I agree 1989 will have sold more in the end largely thanks to the US, but my entire point in protesting the (rather ridiculous) Stay vs. SIO comparison is that people are failing to acknowledge that a) SIO is not done, b) Stay had a slight market advantage, and c) isn't even from Loud. Like, it's not a discussion that needs to be had here.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by Arioso

Nor is that what I said, I was pointing out that you have to account for it and SIO, with or without it, will still outsell stay.

But that's what you're implying, that because the climate has changed that somehow magically alots SIO more sales, but it doesn't work that way, sorry.

Originally posted by Arioso

Did I say **** "didn't count"? Hm? No? Pls stop twisting my words to help your side of the argument.

Can't have it both ways.

[Deemy]

Originally posted by Arioso

I agree it sold over 6m and I agree 1989 will have sold more in the end largely thanks to the US, but my entire point in protesting the (rather ridiculous) Stay vs. SIO comparison is that people are failing to acknowledge that a) SIO is not done, b) Stay had a slight market advantage, and c) isn't even from Loud. Like, it's not a discussion that needs to be had here.

Agreed its not a discussion need to be had. Shake It Off in my eyes is still the bigger "hit" but their sales can be compared because there's no chart manipulation in clicking purchase on iTunes. Shake It Off's sales is a bit underwhelming when you take into account the promotion, the big first week and hype that Taylor has... but when you put into perspective that her album is over 4M sold in the US everything else is irrelevant.

[lonnie]

Originally posted by NaughtyDog

lmao, the only thing people remember from the LOUD era (and possibly Rihanna's career as a whole) is the red hair

This coming from a Taylor fan though
Like do you think Taylor is more memorable than Rihanna?


OT: Not yet it's not, LOUD had three number ones, and another top ten hit, sold over 6 million worldwide, but with the looks of it 1989 is shaping up to be a bigger era.

[Retro]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

But that's what you're implying, that because the climate has changed that somehow magically alots SIO more sales, but it doesn't work that way, sorry.



Can't have both ways.

Bu I actually can have it both ways, since any attempt to adjust Loud's tour will not account for the eventual difference with the 1989 tour and the adjustment compared to Stay was IN ADDITION to the fact that SIO is still selling, and that's not what I was implying because I know basic math and understand that even adjusted SIO has not yet outsold it.

[Beautiful Liar]

Originally posted by Deemy

Agreed its not a discussion need to be had. Shake It Off in my eyes is still the bigger "hit" but their sales can be compared because there's no chart manipulation in clicking purchase on iTunes. Shake It Off's sales is a bit underwhelming when you take into account the promotion, the big first week and hype that Taylor has... but when you put into perspective that her album is over 4M sold in the US everything else is irrelevant.

Shake It Off was affected by "Compete My Album" which propelled the album to reach 4 million which is better..

[lonnie]

Originally posted by Arioso

And yet I proved the point that 2009 was not the peak, and Stay was released probably a couple weeks after digital sales peaked if we're really going to debate over a Jan. 7th 2013 release.

Sales never dropped so drastically to the point that there was such a big margin in only two weeks, I don't know what you're trying to prove with this.

[Deemy]

Originally posted by Beautiful Liar

Shake It Off was affected by "Compete My Album" which propelled the album to reach 4 million which is better..

My last sentence pretty much summed that up.