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Poll: Most impactful black female artist of the last 40 years?
View Poll Results: Who?
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Aaliyah
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18 |
6.32% |
Mariah
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85 |
29.82% |
Whitney
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145 |
50.88% |
Beyonce
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111 |
38.95% |
Rihanna
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64 |
22.46% |
Janet
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85 |
29.82% |
TLC
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15 |
5.26% |
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Originally posted by Lasers
Influencing artists is part of making an impact. If you influenced several artists, constantly referenced, etc than obviously you made your. mark on the music industry. You cant influence a new generation of artists and say thats not impact.
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No it's not. As I stated on page 4, ""Impact" signifies an immediate change in perceptions, concepts, or the progression/evolution of the landscape of music. "Influence" is the long-term effects of a work of art. In context of the conversation, the output of an artist's work.".
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Originally posted by Body Talk
Whitney was an untouchable vocalist but never really went outside the box. Whitney has influences many vocalists by being the powerhouse she was, but she was SO good that you can't really hear her influence... if that makes sense. Similar to Barbra Streisand in that way... She was an exceptional talent but didn't really bring anything groundbreaking to the table.
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If this ain't some of the most fake-deep **** I've ever read. Don't be such a try-hard. If you don't know about Whitney brought to the table, post your comment about the ones you do know and go.
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Originally posted by Body Talk
Whitney was an untouchable vocalist but never really went outside the box. Whitney has influences many vocalists by being the powerhouse she was, but she was SO good that you can't really hear her influence... if that makes sense. Similar to Barbra Streisand in that way... She was an exceptional talent but didn't really bring anything groundbreaking to the table.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
"Influence" is the long-term effects of a work of art. In context of the conversation, the output of an artist's work.".
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...... Thats what making an impact is. Making something that lasts and stands the tests of time. Theres no offcial defintion of what "making an impact" in music is anyway.
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Beyonce and she is not even at her peak yet. Nobody dead or alive besides MJ had this much power in the industry like Beyonce.
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Originally posted by King_Lonnie
Beyonce and she is not even at her peak yet. Nobody dead or alive besides MJ had this much power in the industry like Beyonce.
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Janet and Mariah influenced two distinct classes of females. They both gave birth to Beyonce.
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Originally posted by Lasers
...... Thats what making an impact is. Making something that lasts and stands the tests of time. Theres no offcial defintion of what "making an impact" in music is anyway.
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Either way you slice it, Aaliyah's is nowhere near a Janet or a Whitney, so.....
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Originally posted by Chimier
Either way you slice it, Aaliyah's is nowhere near a Janet or a Whitney, so.....
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When did I say she did? And those same two women both co signed Aaliyah anyways despite her short Career so it doesnt really matter.
She passed at just 22 and still influenced half of yall faves. So........
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Originally posted by Lasers
When did I say she did? And those same two women both co signed Aaliyah anyways despite her short Career so it doesnt really matter.
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What does this have to do with the price of ***** in Cardiff?
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Originally posted by Lasers
She passed at just 22 and still influenced half of yall faves. So........
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Not mine. Sorry.
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The absolute fumes over LEGEND LI
The fact she still gets people riled up yet she passed in 2001 had allegedly "had NO impact or influence!! 1!11!1"
MOTHA Janet/Whitney co-signed the good sis till this day and the biggest AA female artists now a days Rih/Bey were influenced/look up to/ stan for her, not to bad for a "FLOP" only in the business for 7 years and a FIVE year break between her second and last album
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Bey is literally earning that title as I type this message. By the end of this era there will be no doubt about this question, except on ATRL where people think putting a snake on our shoulders or getting a lot of quick #1s is what makes someone influential.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lasers
...... Thats what making an impact is. Making something that lasts and stands the tests of time. Theres no offcial defintion of what "making an impact" in music is anyway.
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Making an impact means an artist has immediately changed expectations in the musical landscape. A trace of musical history will provide numerous examples of such.
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Originally posted by Lasers
When did I say she did? And those same two women both co signed Aaliyah anyways despite her short Career so it doesnt really matter.
She passed at just 22 and still influenced half of yall faves. So........
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Recognition of talent or gift between artists is not an example of impact. Those are called compliments. The reasoning some of you create is so bizarre.
Nobody is saying Aaliyah didn't have impact. Within the parameters of this discussion, Aaliyah's impact is not as profound as Whitney's, Janet's, or even Mariah's, even in the US; dare not even consider worldwide. So by that reasoning, she is eliminated.
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Originally posted by Lasers
She passed at just 22 and still influenced half of yall faves. So........
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Didn't influence mine. So, there's that.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
Making an impact means an artist has immediately changed expectations in the musical landscape. A trace of musical history will provide numerous examples of such.
Recognition of talent or gift between artists is not an example of impact. Those are called compliments. The reasoning some of you create is so bizarre.
Nobody is saying Aaliyah didn't have impact. Within the parameters of this discussion, Aaliyah's impact is not as profound as Whitney's, Janet's, or even Mariah's, even in the US; dare not even consider worldwide. So by that reasoning, she is eliminated.
Didn't influence mine. So, there's that.
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Why are you trying to pass of your opinion as a fact?
In the dictionary Influence and Impact are literally parallel to each other as synonyms. We gon argue wit the dictionary too? You doing all this back and forth over some bullsh!t logic YOU made up.
Receipts:
in·flu·ence
ˈinflo͝oəns/
noun
1.
the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.
"the influence of television violence"
synonyms: effect, impact; More
im·pact
have a strong effect on someone or something.
"high interest rates have impacted on retail spending"
synonyms: affect, influence, have an effect on, make an impression on; More
Janet, Whitney, & Stevie may not have been influenced by Aaliyah but all 3 have very well co signed Her, so theres that.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lasers
Why are you trying to pass of your opinion as a fact?
In the dictionary Influence and Impact are literally parallel to each other as synonyms. We gon argue wit the dictionary too? You doing all this back and forth over some bullsh!t logic YOU made up.
Receipts:
in·flu·ence
ˈinflo͝oəns/
noun
1.
the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.
"the influence of television violence"
synonyms: effect, impact; More
im·pact
have a strong effect on someone or something.
"high interest rates have impacted on retail spending"
synonyms: affect, influence, have an effect on, make an impression on; More
Janet, Whitney, & Stevie may not have been influenced by Aaliyah but all 3 have very well co signed Her, so theres that.
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@ "bs logic" yet you appealed to the dictionary as an authority source which is a fallacious argument in itself.
Please refer back to my example:
"Whitney IMPACTED the world because as dance music was taking over the 80s, she brought back soaring power ballads and rekindled the vocal school. Artists saw power ballads as a means of achieving hits. Songs like "Love Will Bring You Back", "I Still Believe", and others were obviously written with the intent of Whitney singing them. The INFLUENCE of Whitney's impact is how ballads were sung (various musical ideas like inflections, runs, interpretation, etc.) and how the music was structured (key changes, chord progression, time signature, etc.)."
Impact and influence are not one in the same.
And once again, recognition of talent is NOT impact. It's merely a compliment.
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Mariah
Whitney
Janet
Then Beyonce
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
@ "bs logic" yet you appealed to the dictionary as an authority source which is a fallacious argument in itself.
Please refer back to my example:
"Whitney IMPACTED the world because as dance music was taking over the 80s, she brought back soaring power ballads and rekindled the vocal school. Artists saw power ballads as a means of achieving hits. Songs like "Love Will Bring You Back", "I Still Believe", and others were obviously written with the intent of Whitney singing them. The INFLUENCE of Whitney's impact is how ballads were sung (various musical ideas like inflections, runs, interpretation, etc.) and how the music was structured (key changes, chord progression, time signature, etc.)."
Impact and influence are not one in the same.
And once again, recognition of talent is NOT impact. It's merely a compliment.
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Not you making up your OWN definitions as if you are some type of authority. Girl, Bye!
Influence and impact BOTH are similies to each other. They go hand in hand no matter what bullsh!t you try to pull out of your @ss hun. Where are your reciepts for your reasonings? Just some sh!t you stirred up in your head? 😂
Definitions from a dictionary>>>> definitions from an atrl poster.
And thats just the bottom line.
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