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Discussion: Stop supporting KONY 2012
Member Since: 8/28/2009
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Originally posted by mariska
How will this stop Kony?
Do you guys not understand that this is basically a business? They're advertising IC so people will donate to them. That way the CEO can get 90k a year for doing nothing.
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Actually in their other videos they voiced what they do to help kids in Uganda. They don't take donations for personal gain. It's not like they are forcing people to donate.
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Member Since: 4/26/2010
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Originally posted by mariska
And yet nobody has told me how changing my profile picture on facebook will stop Kony..
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Because someone will ask a question. "WHO DA FUQ KONY BITCH?" They will search and then they will call their good sis Frankie to tell ha that this prick is killing thousands in Uganada and the good sis Frankie will tweet it "IMMA SLAP SOME BITCH UP IF KONY GONNA KIDNAP THOSE KIDS!".... and some bitch will retweet her! It's simple. Awareness is the key. The more that know the more that can pressure.
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Member Since: 11/12/2011
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
Because someone will ask a question. "WHO DA FUQ KONY BITCH?" They will search and then they will call their good sis Frankie to tell ha that this prick is killing thousands in Uganada and the good sis Frankie will tweet it "IMMA SLAP SOME BITCH UP IF KONY GONNA KIDNAP THOSE KIDS!".... and some bitch will retweet her! It's simple. Awareness is the key. The more that know the more that can pressure.
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And how will my good sis Frankie knowing about Kony stop him? Will Kony really care that my good sis Frankie frowns upon what Kony is doing?
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Member Since: 5/22/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
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FOR THE LAST TIME. THE UN AND THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CAPTURE KONY FOR YEARS, WELL BEFORE THE KONY 2012 DOCUMENTARY. THEY CAN'T PRESSURE THE GOVERNMENT INTO DOING SOMETHING WHEN THEY"RE ALREADY DOING IT.
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You sir are an idiot.
It's quite clear your either pmsing or live lonely but you constantly bashing the Kony 2012 movement won't change anything. As well you bring up the same exact points each time so it's time for you to grab a book, go sit by the fire & stop making yourself look like a bigger idiot than you already look like right now.
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Member Since: 5/17/2010
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Member Since: 4/26/2010
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Originally posted by Mezik
You sir are an idiot.
It's quite clear your either pmsing or live lonely but you constantly bashing the Kony 2012 movement won't change anything. As well you bring up the same exact points each time so it's time for you to grab a book, go sit by the fire & stop making yourself look like a bigger idiot than you already look like right now.
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Exactly. He's looking stupid now, especially since the U.S. government officials in office said that they have been doing nothing because there is no public support
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Member Since: 3/1/2007
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Originally posted by Mezik
You sir are an idiot.
It's quite clear your either pmsing or live lonely but you constantly bashing the Kony 2012 movement won't change anything. As well you bring up the same exact points each time so it's time for you to grab a book, go sit by the fire & stop making yourself look like a bigger idiot than you already look like right now.
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Why is he an idiot? There is nothing but the truth in his post.
The UN was working on this problem well before this "stop kony" phase got all the teens on facebook worked up, and as soon as the phase ends and all our facebook friends get obsessed on the next "big thing" the UN will still be there working on it.
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Member Since: 11/12/2011
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You're right. I should give up. You guys don't understand that people reblogging "Kony 2012" isn't going to help anything. You also can't seem to grasp that the UN has been trying to deal with the Kony situation for years. Why this is too hard for you to deal with I'll never know.
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Member Since: 12/23/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
How will this stop Kony?
Do you guys not understand that this is basically a business? They're advertising IC so people will donate to them. That way the CEO can get 90k a year for doing nothing.
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Doing nothing? Did you even READ the annual report?
Breakdown of expenses
Central Africa Programs (including educational programs and other aid): 37.14%
Fundraising: 3.22%
Awareness Programs: 25.98%
Awareness Products: 9.56%
Media Creation: 7.87%
Management and general: 16.24%
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Member Since: 5/22/2011
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Originally posted by Jared
Why is he an idiot? There is nothing but the truth in his post.
The UN was working on this problem well before this "stop kony" phase got all the teens on facebook worked up, and as soon as the phase ends and all our facebook friends get obsessed on the next "big thing" the UN will still be there working on it.
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No, his posts are him bashing the charity claiming his word is all mighty and what he says go. You read up about Koney and you see there's been little involvment to actually try to stop him. He's being rude disrespecting those who will support them making us seem like we're evil and taking facts out of context.
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Originally posted by Fry
You don't HAVE to donate money. You don't HAVE to buy posters, you can print them yourself. They're offering ways to raise awareness without you having to drop a dime. You don't have to buy a kit. You don't have to buy a bracelet. Your job is to raise awareness to your congressmen, major policy makers and culture makers, should you accept it. That's IT.
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You don't get it. That's their whole plan.
EVEN if you are I don't give them money eventually one of their posters, kits, etc. will persuade someone to donate to them. Persuade enough people, and they will be rolling in the cash, which they now are.
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Member Since: 11/12/2011
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Originally posted by Fry
Doing nothing? Did you even READ the annual report?
Breakdown of expenses
Central Africa Programs (including educational programs and other aid): 37.14%
Fundraising: 3.22%
Awareness Programs: 25.98%
Awareness Products: 9.56%
Media Creation: 7.87%
Management and general: 16.24%
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And did you read the first post where I said 30% is INCREDIBLY low? Compare that number to any other charity and you'll see how ridiculously low that % is.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Here's a WAY better article that's not as pedantic as the tumblr post.
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So you probably woke up this morning to discover that something called Kony 2012 had taken over the internet. In case you haven't worked it out yet, Kony 2012 is a film produced by the charity Invisible Children, raising awareness about the child soldiers of Uganda. Since it was released on YouTube on March 5, it's been viewed several million times. Here it is:
And that's good, right? Joseph Kony and his Lord’s Resistance Army abduct children and convert them into murderers. They've been doing it for years and it's good that someone's trying to raise Kony's profile so that American politicians might be forced into doing something about this endless tragedy, right?
Well, it's more complex than that. You might have noticed that when ANYTHING happens on the internet, there's always someone waiting to crap all over it. Sure, quite often they're crapping all over teenage girls by calling them ****s, but every now and then they'll take a big **** on something that deserves it, like SOPA. Basically, if there's something humans like, there'll be a bunch of other humans who hate it.
Well, predictably, some are ******** on Kony 2012. I'm sure those behind the film and the charity would just brush criticism off as thoughtless cynicism. After all, once something is so big that Rihanna's tweeting about it, some people are going to be suspicious, jealous, and try to ruin it, no matter what. Some chumps are just contrarians, right?
That said, here are some of the major criticisms of Invisible Children and Kony 2012.
Criticism #1: Invisible Children is a financially questionable organization.
These figures have been circulating.
It's impossible to understand everything about Invisible Children's motives by analyzing these figures alone. Eighty-nine grand does seem like a sweet wage, but does that matter so much? That its expenses are high compared to its revenue isn't too surprising, either. The Kony 2012 manifesto is to raise awareness. People are donating to raise the profile of the Ugandan plight, and, overnight, thanks to a film on YouTube, millions more people were made aware of it. Success, then.
Criticism #2: Invisible Children is not financially accountable.
According to some of the internet, Invisible Children refuses to co-operate with the Better Business Bureau—an organization that investigates the ethical nature of companies.
Also, according to the Charity Navigator (a website I was unaware of until today), Invisible Children is not particularly transparent.
Criticism #3: Invisible Children lies.
According to an article published by the Council on Foreign Affairs:
In their campaigns, such organizations [as Invisible Children] have manipulated facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA's use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony—a brutal man, to be sure—as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.
Criticism #4: Invisible Children wants to flood Uganda with weapons.
OK... This is a picture of Jason Russell, Bobby Bailey, and Laren Poole, the filmmakers who founded Invisible Children and made Kony 2012.
Photo by Glenna Gordon
Oh dear. Bad idea, guys. I mean, don't get me wrong, if VICE ever wants to send me to somewhere like Congo, the first thing I'll do is get a Facebook picture of me with a gun. But then I'm not lobbying for the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (who, I'm informed, have been accused of rape and looting) to be armed by America.
I'm not an expert, but isn't the history of arming one group of guys to go and kill another group of guys in some far away country nearly always a really ****** idea? Doesn't it lead to ethnic cleansing, extremism, revenge, tribal conflict, and general misery? Maybe not. As I say, I'm no expert.
Criticism #5: Invisible Children is staffed by douchebags.
Now when I first watched the Kony 2012 video, there was a horrible pang of self-knowledge as I finally grasped quite how shallow I am. I found it impossible to completely overlook the smug indie-ness of it all. It reminded me of a manipulative technology advert, or the Kings of Leon video where they party with black families, or the 30 Seconds to Mars video where all the kids talk about how Jared Leto's music saved their lives. I mean, watch the first few seconds of this again. It's pompous twaddle with no relevance to ****ing anything.
However, the central message—stop this **** Kony killing and raping innocent children in their thousands—is a very powerful one. So I looked beyond my snobbery.
Maybe I shouldn't have. Chris Blattman, who's an Assistant Professor of Political Science and Economics at Yale, wrote this blog about Invisible Children, effectively just calling them twats. He starts by dissing their "hipster tie" and cowboy hats, before moving on to accuse them of being post-colonialists.
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Source: http://www.vice.com/read/should-i-do...ny-2012-or-not
Don't get me wrong. This whole documentary was amazing. It was well produced and edited. I just don't think they're displaying the correct things that people who are going to donate need to see. I really wish a completely truthful and upfront charity would be able to have enough money to make such an inspiring video as this but they sadly don't. I also took problem with how they dumbed it down so much to where a toddler could understand even though they're directing this towards late teens and young adults who have a much better understanding. The video is a huge success but people aren't going to be seeing everything they need to about the struggles in Uganda and it's neighboring countries by just watching this because when honestly, most people watching this video would've never known about this situation had this video not popped up.
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Member Since: 3/1/2007
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Originally posted by Mezik
No, his posts are him bashing the charity claiming his word is all mighty and what he says go. You read up about Koney and you see there's been little involvment to actually try to stop him. He's being rude disrespecting those who will support them making us seem like we're evil and taking facts out of context.
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The main idea is that there are more reliable charities people could make donations through. Doing it through IC is taking a gamble.
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Member Since: 11/9/2011
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Think about this. If you're a cop, wanting to catch a drug dealer. Will you scream about it on the thug's face that you're about to send his ass to jail, or silently dragging his ass to the deepest hole on earth?
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Member Since: 12/23/2011
Posts: 114
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Honestly there's really no point in arguing this. IC is doing SOMETHING with their money. I don't agree with how they're using the rest of it but I'm choosing to ignore it. I won't support them financially but I won't sit and try and find elsewhere to address this issue when I can try to do something now besides posting and reposting videos and tumblr posts with less fact than a chocolate frog card.
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Originally posted by trackizmy1
Here's a WAY better article that's not as pedantic as the tumblr post.
Don't get me wrong. This whole documentary was amazing. It was well produced and edited. I just don't think they're displaying the correct things that people who are going to donate need to see. I really wish a completely truthful and upfront charity would be able to have enough money to make such an inspiring video as this but they sadly don't.
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May you please link me to the article? I would like to add it to my receipts.
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Member Since: 5/22/2011
Posts: 21,227
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I'll continue to donate to invisible children and continue to support the cause.
Seeing as two of my family's foster childs are from Uganda and we're told about the lack of help we're recieving I'd rather send my money to invisible children and help spread awarness and try to get people involved.
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Member Since: 12/23/2011
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Member Since: 11/9/2011
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Originally posted by Jared
The main idea is that there are more reliable charities people could make donations through. Doing it through IC is taking a gamble.
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This. Go to UN's organizations websites. They are taking donations all the time, and it spreads to many causes.
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