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Poll: More legendary: Janet v Britney
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View Poll Results: More legendary
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Miss Jackson if you're nasty!
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Britney Bitch!
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Member Since: 12/22/2011
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Originally posted by Javan
Ofc that's not all the tea.
In The Zone (2003)
Blackout (2007)
Circus (2008)
Femme Fetale 2011
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Mess and reaches where there's an obvious song that they could use.
The blackout one is a reach, the FF is a definite reach and I never got how the In the zone one would even fit with Janet's style.
But the Circus one wasn't much of a reach.
the fact that none of these are even close shows that everyone is aware that Britney was inspired and influenced by Janet so that they could compare Janet.
If that's the best you have as copy/paste then you are reaching for the stars despite the moon.
however if you are proving my point that Britney who in over 10 interviews gave credit to Madonna, Michael and Janet for inspiring her and influencing her then I say to you.
Thanks, luv.
Note: there's one song that was actually originally made for Janet that gives strong Janet teas and that's slave for you...anything else are reaches with a couple examples equating influence to copy/paste.
girl gon 
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by Eternium
1. Well, technically it was Billboard, Oricon, Official Charts Company, etc. dragging. I don't argue over subjective facts often so it's hard to back up my arguments 
2. Publications? Do you really want me to repeat her regurgitated press releases the way the typical ATRL bases do when they claim "Forbes certified my fave a legend!" or "Time calls ____ a legend." Yes, she has all of them from Billboard to Forbes to Time to international outlets, etc., but more importantly she has artists from Miley Cyrus to Lily Allen calling her a legend and the general public is still consuming her output.
3. The Lolita bit. Then again, I hate this argument because I believe that if any artist didn't exist, someone would've filled their spot. Do you really believe that if there was no Janet, there wouldn't have been another female artist to borrow from Michael/James? All these people are doing is singing and dancing on-stage 
4. Definitely. Her musical career? Not by a longshot. |
By international publications I mean the BBC, Mail & Guardian, etc. Publications that are not US based.
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Member Since: 12/22/2011
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
So she reinvented her image. Janet and Madonna were already doing that. So again:
3. If Britney hadn't existed, what wouldn't artists be artists be doing that they do now because of Britney?
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Nope.
You don't get it. If we are talking about reinventing your image then essentially you could go back to cher and ask that question against Madonna and Janet.
I stated specifically what i was referring to in my original response to you. It wasn't just to reinvent.
Who hasn't reinvented themselves and that's before and after Madonna/Michael/Janet (who were the best 3 at it).
Janet reinvented herself in a way that was one of a kind as did Madonna and MJ.
you can't discredit Britney's reinventions and how it served as a guide (minus the breakdown era of course) for the current girls (for which they've even acknowledged this).
this serves 2000 teas when people felt like any blonde pop star could be just as successful as Britney however, cumulative didn't create a brand of teen pop to adult, iconic videos, songs, performances or changed the game on marketing pop stars...I even remember artists sexing up their image during the reign of Britney's sex symbol era and people using overproduced vocals despite being strong singers as that trend caught on. there are quite a few things but my original post notes that main thing that is actually representative (whether some think it's a good or bad thing) in many current female pop artists.
To deny it is subjective and the lazy way out of a great debate.
Keep in mind, I am actually on your side when it comes to not discrediting Janet i just can't co sign with the idea that Britney was a copy paste of Janet which is not true. People don't appreciate Usher, Pink and Britney for being superb at taking influence and inspiration properly when so many try to pass of their stuff when its copy and paste and not done in a different way
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Member Since: 12/22/2011
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Originally posted by idkher
??? Janet in her 30s had The Velvet Rope and All for You which were hit albums and produced #1 singles, something Ray of Light failed to do
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not people coming for Madonna.
OMG...
Edit: I remember when HBO had Madonna, Janet and Britney's concerts back to back to back in one night or in one day...they knew in 2001 they knew
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Neither are legends. Britney probably, though.
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Originally posted by D.M.F
Neither are legends, and only Britney's iconic out of the 2 so I'd voted for her.
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Living Legend Britney!!
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Janet delivered better music and is pretty much the blueprint for everything Brinty did. Like, the best in Brinty's art is her performatic style alongside the great dance skills. In the world of pop female performers, it was nothing new. Still, i think Brinty will be more remembered for the wrong reasons, her life being a mess and her image being exploited all this time makes her rise and subtle decline from stardom more remarkable. She is simply the bigger celebrity.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by slw84
Mess and reaches where there's an obvious song that they could use.
The blackout one is a reach, the FF is a definite reach and I never got how the In the zone one would even fit with Janet's style.
But the Circus one wasn't much of a reach.
the fact that none of these are even close shows that everyone is aware that Britney was inspired and influenced by Janet so that they could compare Janet.
If that's the best you have as copy/paste then you are reaching for the stars despite the moon.
however if you are proving my point that Britney who in over 10 interviews gave credit to Madonna, Michael and Janet for inspiring her and influencing her then I say to you.
Thanks, luv.
Note: there's one song that was actually originally made for Janet that gives strong Janet teas and that's slave for you...anything else are reaches with a couple examples equating influence to copy/paste.
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If it's a reach why is it on BRITNEY'S wiki Deal with it sis
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by slw84
Nope.
You don't get it. If we are talking about reinventing your image then essentially you could go back to cher and ask that question against Madonna and Janet.
I stated specifically what i was referring to in my original response to you. It wasn't just to reinvent.
Who hasn't reinvented themselves and that's before and after Madonna/Michael/Janet (who were the best 3 at it).
Janet reinvented herself in a way that was one of a kind as did Madonna and MJ.
you can't discredit Britney's reinventions and how it served as a guide (minus the breakdown era of course) for the current girls (for which they've even acknowledged this).
this serves 2000 teas when people felt like any blonde pop star could be just as successful as Britney however, cumulative didn't create a brand of teen pop to adult, iconic videos, songs, performances or changed the game on marketing pop stars...I even remember artists sexing up their image during the reign of Britney's sex symbol era and people using overproduced vocals despite being strong singers as that trend caught on. there are quite a few things but my original post notes that main thing that is actually representative (whether some think it's a good or bad thing) in many current female pop artists.
To deny it is subjective and the lazy way out of a great debate.
Keep in mind, I am actually on your side when it comes to not discrediting Janet i just can't co sign with the idea that Britney was a copy paste of Janet which is not true. People don't appreciate Usher, Pink and Britney for being superb at taking influence and inspiration properly when so many try to pass of their stuff when its copy and paste and not done in a different way
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You're still not getting it. Lemme help you out:
"If Britney hadn't existed artists wouldn't be doing [X] because it was Britney who [introduced/innovated/altered the way] artists did [X]."
Solve for X.
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Britney is living proof of Janets impact 
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I can't at the same people deeming bey a legend are the same saying Janet is not a legend.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
3. If Britney hadn't existed, what wouldn't artists be artists be doing that they do now because of Britney?
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Rihanna
Taylor especially 2012-present
Katy
Bey
Miley
Shakira
Avril
Had Brit and Max Martin not happened, Pink wouldn't have #1s.
Kelly clarckson would've never made it passed wining AI had it not been for Max e.i. Britney's impact.
Pretty much today's musical landscape and Hilary Duff.
You really wanna go there?
EDIT: how could I forget Gaga!??!
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Bey and Brit are miles apart tho?! S
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Originally posted by idkher
??? Janet in her 30s had The Velvet Rope and All for You which were hit albums and produced #1 singles, something Ray of Light failed to do
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Can you not? ROL sold more than both TVR and AFY combined so let's not  it's also more acclaimed
But this thread is not about the indisputable Queen of Pop so know your lane and don't stray.
OT: britney is a legend, janet is an icon, so yeah, britney is bigger! i respect janet's US impact though 
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Can you not? ROL sold more than both TVR and AFY combined so let's not it's also more acclaimed
But this thread is not about the indisputable Queen of Pop so know your lane and don't stray.
OT: britney is a legend, janet is an icon, so yeah, britney is bigger! i respect janet's US impact though |
I agree.
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DMF spilled the tea
Nobody knows about MJ sister in the world. Her global receipts are embarrassing.
Some members here need to stop trying to make she happen.
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Originally posted by Nano
Britney. Like, Janet isn't a legend  |
Janet has sold more than Britney, and paved the way for performers like Britney to be successful. Have some respect. 
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Living Legend Britney Spears is more successful, influential and has more iconic material, so her
Janet will forever live in her brothers shadow, which is a shame
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This isn't just a Janet issue. Everyone - Britney, Beyonce, Rihanna, - will live in Michael's shadow. He did everything they've done before they did it.
At least Janet carved out her own. This obviously isn't the most accurate barometer, but most people I know don't think of Janet as Michael's sister, but as her own artist on in her own right.
She completely redefined pop music in the 90s with Jimmy Jamm and Terry Lewis, paving the way for pretty much every single female entertainer afterwards. Have several seats, because the truth is Britney wouldn't be a damn thing if Janet hadn't been successful.
Also, besides a couple of cute, disposable albeit iconic songs, Britney couldn't touch Janet's level of acclaim. When Britney's single handedly changed and ushered in the sound of a genre then we can begin to entertain this discussion.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
You're still not getting it. Lemme help you out:
"If Britney hadn't existed artists wouldn't be doing [X] because it was Britney who [introduced/innovated/altered the way] artists did [X]."
Solve for X.
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Can you please stop trying to discredit Britney's impact/influence?
No one fits that criteria, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. No one here is claiming that Britney invented something, because she didn't. Janet also didn't. Britney's impact is pretty much seen in today's teenagers pop musicians, they've all cited Britney as one of their main influences, such as girl groups, solo female acts like Miley, Selena, Demi and Lady Gaga, even some male artists like Justin Bieber. Have you seen Boyhood? I mean that movie alone pretty much sums up how much Britney impacted the 00s, all the teenage girls wanted to be her. I mean Tarantino himself admitted being inspired by Britney while making his hit movie Inglorious Basterds. Britney didn't have impact only in the music business, but pop culture as a whole, something very similar to Madonna.
This can be confirmed by anyone who grew up in the 00s, and also respected sites such as Billboard, Rolling Stone and Pitchfork, the latter made this quote in their "greatest videos of the 90s " list:
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Songs like Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit", Dr. Dre's "Nothing But a G Thang", and Britney Spears' "...Baby One More Time" altered the landscape of pop culture so quickly in large part because they were delivered to all corners of the U.S. simultaneously by MTV.
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http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-...-of-the-1990s/
Now, don't try and act like these websites have no credibility when you always go around throwing some kind of Jezebel-type-of blog claiming that Rhythm Nation 1814 is the most important female album of the last 25 years. Know your lane, educate yourself.
Oh, and the fact that Britney is more global + successful than Janet gives her extra points. Sorry, it is how it is.
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