[perfectlover]

Isn't Beautiful Liar the same person that said Madonna wasn't a legend?
Mess, no wonder
OT: Nope!

[Floyd Mayweather]

Yall doing Beautiful Lair wrong. What he's saying makes plenty of sense.

[Beautiful Liar]

Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A

You made a thread based on Beautiful Liar's pov.
That's a huge L right there

I'm simply a iconic impactful figure on ATRL I'm like Donald Trump in a way he has impacted and redefined politics but it's "not cool" to give him any credit for that or admit that he did. Yet people are observing and discussing his (mines) every move.

[iHype.]

I think it can influence their sexuality just as heterosexual parents can influence their child's sexuality.

I believe sexuality isn't something you're born with (like how can you come out the womb with it determined already you like dick ) nor is it a choice. It's very complicated and has to do with environment, influences, childhood events, etc.

Therefore I guess being raised with a certain ideal of a household (whether it be a mother and father, father and father, etc) and what roles are played can influence your sexuality whether you're aware or not (science is complex beyond our understanding).

But as we know, almost all of us were raised in a heterosexual household and are homosexuals and I'd assume most people raised with a homosexual parent household end up being heterosexual so the influence is very little if any.

[Floyd Mayweather]

This is basically a nature/nurture argument.

[Otter]

Simple answer is yes.

Bisexuality (Particularly straight leaning or curiosity) is very common place in nature, human culture has likely driven us away from it. Having same sex parents will remove a lot of inherited stigma, so you as individual will be more comfortable exploring and acknowledging the same sex as a sexual being. This is common in many intelligent/highly sexual species. However almost of these animals will settle/mate with the opposite sex.

What isn't common is sexual preference for the same sex. I.e being Gay. This is heavily linked to an area of the hypothalamus in all cases where they've been able to study it. I think exclusive homosexuality is typically more related to biology than it is environment.

[perfectlover]

Originally posted by Floyd Mayweather

Yall doing Beautiful Lair wrong. What he's saying makes plenty of sense.

Gender
Male

Sexual Orientation
Straight

[SpinThatShhh]

Originally posted by perfectlover

lmao @ you exposing his homophobia.

[Diarrhoea]

Originally posted by perfectlover

Isn't Beautiful Liar the same person that said Madonna wasn't a legend?
Mess, no wonder

what is this logic

[Bellerophon]

This thread is a mess

[Otter]

Originally posted by Bey Admired

I remember reading a thread on here asking members if they had 'daddy issues'. I was surprised to see like 90% of people replying that they had. It made me think whether sexuality is more influenced by your environment than biological. I then read some research papers on the issue that actually found a correlation between bad father/son relationships and homosexuality. I'd have to say I think it's a mix of both. I think sometimes it is a subconscious wiring of the brain, and sometimes it's to do with chemical levels. I also think there is a 'gay gene' so to say.

I personally know, as a bisexual man with a great relationship with my father, that it's not always environmental and sometimes it's just the way it is.

Its also very possible that some of the issues they have with their fathers is as a result of their sexuality. IMO parents often have a strong inclination of their kids sexuality and fathers typically find it harder to deal with than mothers, especially if their son is fem.

As someone with almost no gay friends, 90% of people I know have issues with at least one of their parents. I think its only natural to expect that percentage to be higher when people have to deal with internal and external homophobia.

[toanythingtaboo]

Unless all us homos had gay parents, I'm going to go with parents have typically no influence over sexuality.

[Beautiful Liar]

Seriously ya how bout those gays that were touch by a male figure and they turned out gay? What's the opinion on that?

[Floyd Mayweather]

Originally posted by SpinThatShhh

lmao @ you exposing his homophobia.

I'm not a homophobe

[Beautiful Liar]

Originally posted by Floyd Mayweather

I'm not a homophobe

It's a trend on ATRL that if your anti a liberal opinion your a bigot, troll or homophobe

A handful of people that said "no to gay adoption" or "yes sexual orientation has a influence" and gave a reason we're called a homophobe

[UnusualBoy]

They should, although it is not legal everywhere yet.

[J a y]

Originally posted by Beautiful Liar

Seriously ya how bout those gays that were touch by a male figure and they turned out gay? What's the opinion on that?

The impact of particular sexual effects can vary from person to person.

[L.B GAGA]

Originally posted by Otter

Simple answer is yes.

Bisexuality (Particularly straight leaning or curiosity) is very common place in nature, human culture has likely driven us away from it. Having same sex parents will remove a lot of inherited stigma, so you as individual will be more comfortable exploring and acknowledging the same sex as a sexual being. This is common in many intelligent/highly sexual species. However almost of these animals will settle/mate with the opposite sex.

What isn't common is sexual preference for the same sex. I.e being Gay. This is heavily linked to an area of the hypothalamus in all cases where they've been able to study it. I think exclusive homosexuality is typically more related to biology than it is environment.

You know you just spewed homophobia and patted yourself at the back for it. If your bi your capability to fall in love and spend your life with any gender is equal, you just pushed that if you still have social influence homophobic ignorance issues, the bias to choose the opposite sex for no valid ((love)) reason is nature. lol
Do some of you realise homophobia, isn't the well known (I WANT GAYS DEAD OR WITH NO RIGHTS) It goes beyond that and to the point of internalised homophobia. That's why many bis don't end up in happy hetero relationships, because you didn't marry for love as you should have done but for procreation reasons and that's sad.
Also trying to make straights and bis as one. Lol That's self hate equally. YIKES!!! Some of you have a lot to learn still. Hope it just wont be too late.

[toanythingtaboo]

RE: nature vs nurture.

It simply makes no sense to imply sexuality is anything but biological. For external/environmental/non-bioligical factors to unconsciously influence sexuality then every gay person throughout history would presumably have had to have experienced a similar sequence of events to trigger similar results.

The justification for 'nurture' is typically social, resulting from cultural and immediate emotional influence (whether that's lack of or troubled relationship with parents, or having same sex parents), yet societies/cultures/family dynamics have always evolved and differ around the world even now. Gays are constant, environment is not. Plus, there's animals. You can't tell me that dolphins are gay because of daddy issues. And then of course there's the issue of having straight people with similar circumstance. And do lesbians require different social programming from gays? How about bisexuality? Bit of both? It's trivialising sexuality by implying something can re-wire you because of a ****** Dad. It's not psychological like an abused kid snapping and becoming an abuser because they associate childhood with sex and power.

If the debate is whether liberal surroundings create more relaxed sexual fluidity because they're not raised to shut curiosity down, then that's different. We know that's the case thanks to historic cultures.

[Otter]

Originally posted by L.B GAGA

You know you just spewed homophobia and patted yourself at the back for it. If your bi your capability to fall in love and spend your life with any gender is equal, you just pushed that if you still have social influence homophobic ignorance issues, the bias to choose the opposite sex for no valid ((love)) reason is nature. lol
Do some of you realise homophobia, isn't the well known (I WANT GAYS DEAD OR WITH NO RIGHTS) It goes beyond that and to the point of internalised homophobia. That's why many bis don't end up in happy hetero relationships, because you didn't marry for love as you should have done but for procreation reasons and that's sad.
Also trying to make straights and bis as one. Lol That's self hate equally. YIKES!!! Some of you have a lot to learn still. Hope it just wont be too late.

Hmm, I think you've misinterpreted my post.

There are many self identifying Bisexuals who are straight or gay leaning. Being at equal disposition to fall in love with each sex is not a requirement of being Bisexual. I should have maybe used the term Bi-curious in my initial statement but I used Bisexual because having sexual interactions with both sexes is an exhibit of Bisexual behaviour. Since I was talking about wild animals who can't self identify, thats here is the classification of bisexual, understandably put in a human context this could conflate self identifying bisexuals with curious straights, I wasn't talking about humans though. Also I was not using this as evidence of human bisexuals by default preferring the opposite sex, but as evidence of some degree bisexuality/curiosity being the norm in nature. I recited scientific findings that most animals observed participating in homosexual behaviour, done so on a less frequent basis than they participated in heterosexual behaviour when given the choice, merely to distinguish being comfortable with homoeroticism from being gay.

Does that clear things up?