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Poll: Which artist is holding the industry back?
View Poll Results: Which artist is holding the industry back?
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Pink
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16.18% |
Katy Perry
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28 |
16.18% |
Lady Gaga
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29 |
16.76% |
Rihanna
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21 |
12.14% |
Beyonce
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21 |
12.14% |
Ke$ha
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17 |
9.83% |
Britney Spears
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20 |
11.56% |
Other (Specify)
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9 |
5.20% |
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Originally posted by Lucas32
Lady Gaga + Britney + Katy + Rihanna
Lady Gaga had everyone's attention but failed to make anything out of it than generic music
Britney + Katy + Rihanna rely on generic sound and their body to sell
We need more women like Adele + Lana + P!nk who don't use their body to sell but their talent
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Originally posted by Lucas32
Lady Gaga + Britney + Katy + Rihanna
Lady Gaga had everyone's attention but failed to make anything out of it than generic music
Britney + Katy + Rihanna rely on generic sound and their body to sell
We need more women like Adele + Lana + P!nk who don't use their body to sell but their talent
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Britney
She siphons all the money away from all the other RCA artists.
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But she just joined them like one year ago and she hasn't released anything
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Judging by these responses, it seems like some of y'all never read the question. But what else is new.
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This is all how you spin it.
We could say Gaga started the dancepop craze so she added to the industry.
We could say Gaga didn't start the dancepop craze so she didn't do anything for anybody.
We could say Gaga started the dancepop craze so she monopolized the industry and made it all sound the same, making it less diverse.
We could say Gaga didn't start the dancepop craze so she was just contributing repeated ideas, making it less diverse.
The point is, IS she holding it back? I really don't think so. She has talent, presence, intelligence and verve. She is inspiring and though can be easily made fun of, she is not just a joke. I believe she writes her own punchlines. We're forgetting that she's not just a popstar, but a performance artist.
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Originally posted by swissman
We could speculate all we want on who the GP will think started the dance-pop craze so we can just leave it at that.
Gaga did NOT start out as a pretty girl with an appealing personality. She was a weird looking girl who no personality - just mystique. She didn't really start revealing her personality until TFM and BTW and didn't start looking pretty until then either. Her early interviews are robotic (in a purposeful way I think). And if you listened to these interviews you'd hear her talk about the idea of fame an popstars and all that. I think it's pretty clear that Gaga was being tongue-in-cheek with all her pop-antics. She certainly wasn't a normal pop-star, but an exaggeration of one with her bleach blonde hair, her disco stick, her leotards and backup dancers and sexy music. I mean, THAT WAS THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THE FAME ALBUM, so where is the delusion? Whether you ask someone to answer for you and take their answer as scripture or not, this is what Gaga was doing. Gaga herself said, "The Fame is about how anyone can feel famous. [...] Pop culture is art. It doesn't make you cool to hate pop culture, so I embraced it and you hear it all over The Fame." So essentially she is re-packaging what it means to be a popstar.
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Gaga did NOT start out as a pretty girl with an appealing personality.
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Why do you think people liked Gaga back then? Because she was pretty, because her music was light and carefree, and because of her personality. You can't take off in the industry without an intriguing personality. Look at Carly Rae Jepsen. People liked Gaga because she herself, and the music she made was relatable.
The reason I'm using the GP is because that's how everyone viewed Gaga back then. Only you few stans like to believe people saw her as some ~mysterious~ ~repackaged popstar~ but she wasn't. Her beginnings were simple, yet immensely successful, which I again admit. You're overrating her impact because you stan for her. Katy released dance pop songs before Gaga but you don't see the Katy Cats crediting her for the takeoff of dance-pop.
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P!nk's singles may sound similar sometimes but how does that make her hold back the industry if no one is copying her in mass numbers?
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Gwen Stefani. Because if she released another solo album she would be the QUEEN. Influencing everyone just like she did with LAMB.
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Originally posted by liberalmusiclover
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just because there are a few examples of them with little clothing on doesn't mean they use their bodies to sell music. It's not highlighted in their image, music videos or in the majority of their performances. Do you truly think they use their bodies to sell music compared to artists like Gaga and Katy?
also, on a side note, I have never understood why people freaked out about that outfit P!nk is wearing..it is skin coloured but there is material covering up most of her body
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Originally posted by swissman
This is all how you spin it.
We could say Gaga started the dancepop craze so she added to the industry.
We could say Gaga didn't start the dancepop craze so she didn't do anything for anybody.
We could say Gaga started the dancepop craze so she monopolized the industry and made it all sound the same, making it less diverse.
We could say Gaga didn't start the dancepop craze so she was just contributing repeated ideas, making it less diverse.
The point is, IS she holding it back? I really don't think so. She has talent, presence, intelligence and verve. She is inspiring and though can be easily made fun of, she is not just a joke. I believe she writes her own punchlines. We're forgetting that she's not just a popstar, but a performance artist.
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These girls just can't understand that no matter how it's said, there's no proof of regression.
it's either she helped the industry or remained neutral.
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Originally posted by pika
Can somebody please remind me what's so innovative about Gaga's single releases? If Katy is making generic pop songs, then what does that say about Gaga who's 11/12 singles are pop/dance-pop oriented songs? At least Katy has released ballads here and there to switch things up.
When looking at single releases overall, it would have to be Ke$ha, P!nk and Gaga.
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So not being "innovative" makes you hold back the industry? Has anyone read the question at this point? Gaga isnt holding back the industry and to say she is, is dumb.
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Originally posted by swissman
This is all how you spin it.
We could say Gaga started the dancepop craze so she added to the industry.
We could say Gaga didn't start the dancepop craze so she didn't do anything for anybody.
We could say Gaga started the dancepop craze so she monopolized the industry and made it all sound the same, making it less diverse.
We could say Gaga didn't start the dancepop craze so she was just contributing nothing useful, making it less diverse.
The point is, IS she holding it back? I really don't think so. She has talent, presence, intelligence and verve. She is inspiring and though can be easily made fun of, she is not just a joke. I believe she writes her own punchlines. We're forgetting that she's not just a popstar, but a performance artist.
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But then the question to ask is, is Katy holding it back either?
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She has talent, presence, intelligence and verve. She is inspiring
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Same can be said about Katy. My entire point in this argument is that the points that you all make about Katy, can be easily applied to Gaga, just like the same things about Gaga can be applied to Katy. I know that wasn't what me and you were originally discussing, but this is just a general announcement.
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Originally posted by Rivington Reject
These girls just can't understand that no matter how it's said, there's no proof of regression.
it's either she helped the industry or remained neutral.
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Which goes for Kathryn as well, glad we agree.
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Originally posted by RastaMentality
So not being "innovative" makes you hold back the industry? Has anyone read the question at this point? Gaga isnt holding back the industry and to say she is, is dumb.
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I'm making a comparison. Most of the people saying Katy is holding back the industry are Gaga stans, so I brought up Gaga's single releases to counter claim their argument. How can Katy be holding back the industry when she helped pioneer dance-pop music ~like Gaga~? How is Katy holding back the industry when her entire debut album, and half of Teenage Dream was not generic (though people like to think it was)?
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Originally posted by pika
Why do you think people liked Gaga back then? Because she was pretty, because her music was light and carefree, and because of her personality. You can't take off in the industry without an intriguing personality. Look at Carly Rae Jepsen. People liked Gaga because she herself, and the music she made was relatable.
The reason I'm using the GP is because that's how everyone viewed Gaga back then. Only you few stans like to believe people saw her as some ~mysterious~ ~repackaged popstar~ but she wasn't. Her beginnings were simple, yet immensely successful, which I again admit. You're overrating her impact because you stan for her. Katy released dance pop songs before Gaga but you don't see the Katy Cats crediting her for the breakthrough.
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Let's start this off by saying I am not a Gaga stan. At all. I've never purchased anything of hers besides the Telephone music video.
I think that even Gaga stans will admit that Gaga was not seen as a pretty popstar, and still isn't. Remember the whole "Is she a man?" thing? She was not going anywhere for her beauty.
And in 2008, when I knew even less about pop music and never knew what ATRL was (therefore I guess a member of the "GP"), I remember Gaga was mysterious, always being photographed by paparazzi with teacups and weird hats and sunglasses. There was mystery around her. She was not relatable in the slightest. To me at least and I'd imagine others too.
Let's not forget Katy's debut album was released after Gaga's debut album was. The same goes for Just Dance being released before I Kissed a Girl. It just so happens that Just Dance peaked after I Kissed a Girl. So we shouldn't get into who did what first. No one credits Katy Perry for bringing about dance pop because she used Dr. Luke and Max Martin. That is not innovation, nor is it new and interesting. Katy was the pretty pop girl with the interesting personality, not Gaga. Gaga was using a relatively unknown producer, and even though dance pop has been around forever, she made it visible. That's the point. She made it her own more than anyone else.
I don't think Katy is holding the industry back either. But she did a LOT less pioneering than Gaga did.
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Originally posted by pika
I'm making a comparison. Most of the people saying Katy is holding back the industry are Gaga stans, so I brought up Gaga's single releases to counter claim their argument. How can Katy be holding back the industry when she helped pioneer dance-pop music like Gaga? How is Katy holding back the industry when her entire debut album, and half of Teenage Dream was not generic (though people like to think it was) like Gaga's?
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Well I mean Gaga isn't really the one making these dance pop songs sell a lot still. Why y'all are voting for her over Maroon 5 or LMFAO is beyond me. Born this Way wasn't generic to me either.
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Originally posted by RastaMentality
Well I mean Gaga isn't really the one making these dance pop songs sell a lot still. Why y'all are voting for her over Maroon 5 or LMFAO is beyond me. Born this Way wasn't generic to me either.
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Well I mean Gaga isn't really the one making these dance pop songs sell a lot still.
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dd That's why every song from Born This Way was dance-pop sans one.
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Why y'all are voting for her over Maroon 5 or LMFAO is beyond me.
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This is true, though.
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Originally posted by swissman
Let's start this off by saying I am not a Gaga stan. At all. I've never purchased anything of hers besides the Telephone music video.
I think that even Gaga stans will admit that Gaga was not seen as a pretty popstar, and still isn't. Remember the whole "Is she a man?" thing? She was not going anywhere for her beauty.
And in 2008, when I knew even less about pop music and never knew what ATRL was (therefore I guess a member of the "GP"), I remember Gaga was mysterious, always being photographed by paparazzi with teacups and weird hats and sunglasses. There was mystery around her. She was not relatable in the slightest. To me at least and I'd imagine others too.
Let's not forget Katy's debut album was released after Gaga's debut album was. The same goes for Just Dance being released before I Kissed a Girl. It just so happens that Just Dance peaked after I Kissed a Girl. So we shouldn't get into who did what first. No one credits Katy Perry for bringing about dance pop because she used Dr. Luke and Max Martin. That is not innovation, nor is it new and interesting. Katy was the pretty pop girl with the interesting personality, not Gaga. Gaga was using a relatively unknown producer, and even though dance pop has been around forever, she made it visible. That's the point. She made it her own more than anyone else.
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so basically it comes down to producers (like most polls on ATRL)... I think we give the pop girls too much credit.. pop music has been more shaped by producers than the artists themselves. A more appropriate question might be what producers are holding the industry back.
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Rihanna. She is useless in every sense of the word.
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Originally posted by pika
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There is nothing similar between them in tems of production. Yes, the structure of the songs(BR and J) is the same. Thats true. But the sound is different.
About JD and PF: Is this what makes the songs the same? The repetatieve part is what makes them catchy and memorable.. :lol:
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Originally posted by Heisenberg
so basically it comes down to producers (like most polls on ATRL)... I think we give the pop girls too much credit.. pop music has been more shaped by producers than the artists themselves. A more appropriate question might be what producers are holding the industry back.
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Yes, producers have a lot of sway. But ultimately its what producers do these pop stars chose to use? (Or who does their label choose for them)
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