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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
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Besides album sales what do they have on her?
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Sales don't mean **** in the long run.
What's important is how you shaped, impacted, or shifted the musical landscape.
Madonna did. Janet did. Whitney did. Mariah did.
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Originally posted by swissman
So what you're saying is that Avril Lavigne is on par with Whitney Houston and Madonna?
She's no where near that, and it doesn't matter if her album sold 100 million, it's more than just a successful time period in your career.
Avril certainly was influential, as are all big eras, and a slew of skater-pop came from her lead, BUT that style is long gone and a bit of a joke now. Whereas Beyoncé's style, posturing, moves, etc. are still relevant, still being used to this day in the same way that Madonna and Whitney are influencing.
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Definitely agree with this. Avril's impact started in 2000s and ended in the 2000s while Bey's impact is still going on.
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Originally posted by dcode78
Sales don't mean **** in the long run.
What's important is how you shaped, impacted, or shifted the musical landscape.
Madonna did. Janet did. Whitney did. Mariah did.
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Beyonce is currently doing that.
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In my opinion and what seems to be the general consensus of my generation from what I've seen, she's above Janet, on the same level as Mariah, and below Celine, Whitney, and Madonna.
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Originally posted by dcode78
Sales don't mean **** in the long run.
What's important is how you shaped, impacted, or shifted the musical landscape.
Madonna did. Janet did. Whitney did. Mariah did.
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we can't really form a true comparison because the industry is so different now compared to how it was then due to several factors. Still, if we look at this from the current standard, hasn't Bey done all of these things?
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I love the BeyHive.
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What really differentiates Beyoncé from these women is that they relied heavily on the music industry’s structure, and still do in many ways.
Beyoncé was born from that, but now has broken out of it and it doesn’t take much to see that now her pop music existence is almost entirely living in it’s own ecosystem. She doesn’t play the game, but she still is owning. She knows her power and is dominating with it. That is legendary in itself. Just look at how Formation swept the VMA nominations but the video is still unlisted. Look at how Beyoncé cuts her deals to suit her needs, and so what if maybe it won’t sell? (It still did). Look at how she self-sabotages all her singles and yet they still manage to be impactful. When was the last time a non-single sparked such an iconic line as “I woke up like this?” Look at how she doesn’t promote, perform or interview.
It’s unfortunate that people want to downplay what she’s doing and what she’s done, bringing up petty reasons as to why she should be disallowed to be considered a legend, when in reality she’s smashed out of pop music and still is soaring.
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Originally posted by swissman
So what you're saying is that Avril Lavigne is on par with Whitney Houston and Madonna?
She's no where near that, and it doesn't matter if her album sold 100 million, it's more than just a successful time period in your career.
Avril certainly was influential, as are all big eras, and a slew of skater-pop came from her lead, BUT that style is long gone and a bit of a joke now. Whereas Beyoncé's style, posturing, moves, etc. are still relevant, still being used to this day in the same way that Madonna and Whitney are influencing.
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Avril was bigger than Beyonce in every single field in the 00s, no ine cam change that.
Beyonce transcended and evolved better as and artist yes. But that doesn't make her career bigger than others.
The problem here is the hive undermining other females careers because Beyonce is selling a movie/album with 10 music videos in 2016. She's gonna be a legend in my eyes because of the talent but she doesn't have the numbers of a legend. Not in streaming, album sales or single sales. She's doing well but she's definitely overrated success wise.
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Janet is NOT on the same level with the other 4.
It goes : Madonna, Whitney, Mariah, Celine > Beyonce >> Janet
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globally It's
Madonna > Beyonce = Whitney > Mariah
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Originally posted by Trent W
Selling 2m-8m per album like bey has been doing doesn't place her above the ones who were able to to sell 15million multiple times.
She might be big in 2016, but a lot of women have found a lot more success than her this century, numbers don't lie, fanbases and press lie.
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Sorry I disagree. It's like saying Jennifer Lawrence is bigger than Meryl Streep because she had a ton of blockbusters.
When Bey out sells Avril (Which will probably happen) are you going to say Bey is bigger or are you still going to hold on to Avril having 1 blockbuster?
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Originally posted by TeemoR
Janet is NOT on the same level with the other 4.
It goes : Madonna, Whitney, Mariah, Celine > Beyonce >> Janet
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How can someone be THIS delusional?
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Originally posted by Shelter
Sorry I disagree. It's like saying Jennifer Lawrence is bigger than Meryl Streep because she had a ton of blockbusters.
When Bey out sells Avril (Which will probably happen) are you going to say Bey is bigger or are you still going to hold on to Avril having 1 blockbuster?
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Im just saying Avril was bigger in the 00s and Bey in the 2010s
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Originally posted by Trent W
Avril was bigger than Beyonce in every single field in the 00s, no ine cam change that.
Beyonce transcended and evolved better as and artist yes. But that doesn't make her career bigger than others.
The problem here is the hive undermining other females careers because Beyonce is selling a movie/album with 10 music videos in 2016. She's gonna be a legend in my eyes because of the talent but she doesn't have the numbers of a legend. Not in streaming, album sales or single sales. She's doing well but she's definitely overrated success wise.
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Every single field? Really?
Avril was not as respected, for one.
She was not as awarded.
Her singles did not do as well.
Her songs did not live on past their time of popularity.
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The problem is not the Hive undermining other females, it's people undermining Beyoncé, trying to say she's not on par with people like Avril who fizzled rather quickly, and then the Hive having to explain why that's not the case.
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Originally posted by PrinceLightning
I said: "I think she was just inspired by the fact that Beyonce was well known". I knew she was inspired. The question was in what way? Because in terms of personality, musically, visually she was not inspired by her. That's all.
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Lol So she was not inspired by Destiny Child?
It's ok though. History always repeats itself. & you'll be reminded the next time she give praise. Which we know will happen
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Originally posted by Shelter
Sorry I disagree. It's like saying Jennifer Lawrence is bigger than Meryl Streep because she had a ton of blockbusters.
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Yes!
And there are so many other examples.
Respect is the #1 here.
Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet are respected immensely.
Beyoncé is too.
Arguing about blockbuster albums is just having a lack of argument.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Quote:
Originally posted by dcode78
Sales don't mean **** in the long run.
What's important is how you shaped, impacted, or shifted the musical landscape.
Madonna did. Janet did.Whitney did. Mariah did.
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No lies spotted
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When Beyonce is in her late 40s early 50s like these women she will be viewed as one of them and we all know this. She ins't there now but shes getting there.
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Beyonce inspired architects to build a building designed around her curves
Edit: from a MUSIC video of hers, might I add.
ffff
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No
Those delusional stans
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