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Celeb News: Gaga: "I wanted to stop singing 6 months ago"
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Gaga can say what she wants. At the end we are only fans and observers of bits and pieces of her career and life. I totally believe what she's saying and I'm glad she's back.
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Member Since: 3/11/2012
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
No, it's not good. It's an okay album and without the hype it would be perceived as such without the scrutiny. Her producer said it was game-changing or something along those lines. It was not.
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Generally favorable is not just okay. Get over it. Your opinion on the album doesn't make it official.
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
Because it is probably in her best interest to get some help considering everything she's admitted to being on medications in the past you need to calm it down.
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Gaga has never admitted to being on prescribed medication. She's admitted to heavy drug uses and being addicted to narcotics. She's admitted that she never got to talk through her problems (Howard Stern ARTPOP era interview) but that doesn't necessarily mean she needs to be prescribed anything. You knew exactly what you were trying to say, and it didn't fly.
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
(Just a side note I only mentioned animal cause I was listening to Take It Off)
Back to what I was saying about Reza's post I personally don't see da fame as "artistic" as much as say BTW or AP even tho I hate AP
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As far as saying something shes done is "artistic" I think on one hand you can't neatly define what constitutes calling something art. But on the other hand, I would never personally say anything shes done is artistically all that substantial. I do however think she herself is an artistic and creative person, I think she has the capacity to make something truly eccentric if she allowed herself the freedom to but post Fame+Monster she forces herself to stay in this limbo between being completely and shamelessly commercial while simultaneously trying to give everyone drops of her eccentricities. Which doesn't always translate and people have responded to that disconnect. She doesn't own one or the other, she tries to straddle them both and I think thats part of why ARTPOP was such a mixed bag and why The Fame+Monster was so successful. Because in The Fame+Monster days she really owned being a pop star and making commercial pop music, whereas Born This Way and ARTPOP both tried to focus in on her balancing act between eccentric and commercial of which she never mastered or seemed to truly understand herself in the first place. In listening to and reviewing ARTPOP thats all you can end up thinking about, instead of being able to listen to it as the fun pop album it actually is you find yourself criticizing it for not being daring. Which ultimately is her bad. Its a pretty good pop record that was sold by herself as something that it wasn't. Its other downfall though is how self conscious it is in that some of its content and marketing (Lady Gaga Is Over promo video, her VMA performance) focuses too much on what she was or what shes perceived as instead of lviing in the present and trying to evoke something new for people to gain different perspectives. Instead she tries to tell people what she is (an artist) and show them that what they think of her is affecting her. To me that strategy is not very effective.
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Can't she just be who she wants to be? If she wants to show the world her insecurities, why not?
Is it standard or conventional for an A-lister to do so? Probably not but she's just presenting her naked self with every flaw that comes with being a human being. Insecure, contradictional, doubtful, pain and emotional.
Nothing as fickle as a human mind.
If you like a "clean" Queen I understand you won't like to read any of it or see it as fake but this it, this is her, take it or leave it.
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Member Since: 4/28/2012
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Queen.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
As far as saying something shes done is "artistic" I think on one hand you can't neatly define what constitutes calling something art. But on the other hand, I would never personally say anything shes done is artistically all that substantial. I do however think she herself is an artistic and creative person, I think she has the capacity to make something truly eccentric if she allowed herself the freedom to but post Fame+Monster she forces herself to stay in this limbo between being completely and shamelessly commercial while simultaneously trying to give everyone drops of her eccentricities. Which doesn't always translate and people have responded to that disconnect. She doesn't own one or the other, she tries to straddle them both and I think thats part of why ARTPOP was such a mixed bag and why The Fame+Monster was so successful. Because in The Fame+Monster days she really owned being a pop star and making commercial pop music, whereas Born This Way and ARTPOP both tried to focus in on her balancing act between eccentric and commercial of which she never mastered or seemed to truly understand herself in the first place. In listening to and reviewing ARTPOP thats all you can end up thinking about, instead of being able to listen to it as the fun pop album it actually is you find yourself criticizing it for not being daring. Which ultimately is her bad.
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You know, I've never really thought about it like that but it does make sense.
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Member Since: 3/11/2012
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
You know, I've never really thought about it like that but it does make sense.
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I think so too. After TFM she started writing songs with a public perceived Gaga as herself. Before that it was the true her I think. Although BTW is my favourite album, but she was at the top of the world at that time in the happiest place ever.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Why didn't she, then? Just go the hell away.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
Gaga has never admitted to being on prescribed medication. She's admitted to heavy drug uses and being addicted to narcotics. She's admitted that she never got to talk through her problems (Howard Stern ARTPOP era interview) but that doesn't necessarily mean she needs to be prescribed anything. You knew exactly what you were trying to say, and it didn't fly.
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Nah there was a time where she said she was on something to either help with the stress/depression idr exactly what it was or where she said it. Either way once again she's claiming to be happy so as I've said in the past hopefully she remains this way she doesn't deserve to be miserable
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
A song title has nothing to do with being manufactured. There is a certain level of manufactured-ness in every pop star, Gaga is no exception, especially on her debut of course the label has their input. These artists run on the hamster wheel of the music industry. But its not at all like Teenage Dream and in certain aspects even Animal because of Gagas strong intentions with the album she made and her execution of it. Teenage Dream is a full on corporate pop album not only in regards to the content of the record but its execution. It had no intentions other than creating singles. Of the manufactured pop starlets Gaga is the least alongside others like Lana Del Rey and etc. That shows in everything shes done since her debut because if she was purely manufactured she'd still be on top of the world.
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The Fame (album) isn't a strong commentary on fame or Gaga's struggle (which she constantly talks about). She does a lot of telling instead of showing these days, but The Fame works for me because the concept of her material matched her persona. She wanted fame, and was obsessed with the idea of it, and then her mantra became a reality. Even though The Fame is clearly meant to generate potential hit singles, it works because it is good pop music coming from someone who believed she was already famous. It worked because it was a pop star singing about becoming a pop star while singing pop music. The material on this album really isn't profound...it is the material in combination with her imagery that really sealed the deal.
ARTPOP is by a recording artist telling us she's an artist who can bring art and pop together without actually doing either. Her motivations don't align with her music, and her music doesn't even align with itself
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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I am always here for her and rooting for her even though I became quite critical during the Artpop era. She's genuinely talented. I saw her during TFM tour, and it was one of the best shows I've seen.
While I don't know the behind-the-scenes issues with her label, I can only speculate on what us fans do see. Her Twitter meltdowns in 2013 were really concerning to me. She seems to take a lot of criticism (both just and unjust) to heart. IMO, I wish she would stop reading press about herself and just forge on.
I think C2C will be good for her because we'll focus more on her talent than Gaga the brand. Then she'll be ready for her pop comeback.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
The Fame (album) isn't a strong commentary on fame or Gaga's struggle (which she constantly talks about). She does a lot of telling instead of showing these days, but The Fame works for me because the concept of her material matched her persona. She wanted fame, and was obsessed with the idea of it, and then her mantra became a reality. Even though The Fame is clearly meant to generate potential hit singles, it works because it is good pop music coming from someone who believed she was already famous. It worked because it was a pop star singing about becoming a pop star while singing pop music. The material on this album really isn't profound...it is the material in combination with her imagery that really sealed the deal.
ARTPOP is by a recording artist telling us she's an artist who can bring art and pop together without actually doing either. Her motivations don't align with her music, and her music doesn't even align with itself
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I never said it was profound or even alluded to that. What I said and I agree with you on is basically that she had a strong point of view that worked and went in line with her music, I completely agree. Yes it was meant to generate singles, she is a pop star, but she had strong intentions as well. And I think that makes the difference between her and this album and someone like Katy Perry with Teenage Dream.
And what you said about ARTPOP is essentially apart of what I said as well. Except that I think generally speaking ARTPOP is a relatively good enough pop record. But when you attach her lofty explanations of her work and then listen to the record, theres a clear disconnect. And theres also the disconnect between her trying to make something that generates hits while also trying to express some form of gaga-esque eccentricity. ARTPOPS concept doesnt work and doesnt align. But her ability to create a good pop song is still present. Unfortunately as a whole this album wasn't dynamic enough though.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Regardless of the trolling in here and the hate for the sake of hate (which is bad for your health so either get your **** together or prepare to take a swan dive before your time) this is really touching and it is blatantly obvious that they have become good friends I am so happy that Gaga is regaining her confidence in her own gut feelings, I hope she continues to make albums the way she wants to regardless of what other people tell her she should sound like and unlike 90% of people here I don't give a **** about sales or chart performance and if any of you can't enjoy music that isn't a major success, you aren't fans of music, you are fans of money and whatever the hell your friends listen to and it is so sad.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
I never said it was profound or even alluded to that. What I said and I agree with you on is basically that she had a strong point of view that worked and went in line with her music, I completely agree. Yes it was meant to generate singles, she is a pop star, but she had strong intentions as well. And I think that makes the difference between her and this album and someone like Katy Perry with Teenage Dream.
And what you said about ARTPOP is essentially apart of what I said as well. Except that I think generally speaking ARTPOP is a relatively good enough pop record. But when you attach her lofty explanations of her work and then listen to the record, theres a clear disconnect. And theres also the disconnect between her trying to make something that generates hits while also trying to express some form of gaga-esque eccentricity. ARTPOPS concept doesnt work and doesnt align. But her ability to create a good pop song is still present. Unfortunately as a whole this album wasn't dynamic enough though.
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Oh I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just adding my two cents. I agree with all of this.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by OprahIsBlack
Why didn't she, then? Just go the hell away.
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Just read the title I see. How ridiculous.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Ugh, she is always so melodramatic.
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Member Since: 12/29/2011
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Member Since: 5/31/2012
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Even as a monster, I don't get it, She is very dramatic.She is always changing her mind.
Sounds a little bit fake to me. But good for her.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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You felt like giving up? Why?
LG: people get irrational when it comes to *money [She begins to cry.]
What have you learned from Tony?
LG: He said, “Be yourself.”…
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I'm sorry, but...
Yas, Gaga, blame the greedy people for your failure and follow the cliche quote who've been preaching since the beginning.
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