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Discussion: What's harder? High school or College
Member Since: 12/29/2011
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High school is easy. College/university can be easy or difficult depending on how you've divided up your own schedule or class choices.
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Member Since: 10/30/2010
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Originally posted by Ahmed.
You do see loads of science major's in the introductory philosophy, sociology, and English courses. However, it also works the other way around. My university has a HUGE English program, yet it forces you to take at least 4 science based courses, 2 of which have to be intermediate. Also, ART History at my university is one of the hardest classes in my university, and EVERYBODY knows that. That class gets no more than 12 students each semester because of how hard it is.
The point is, I value sciences immensely. However, I am not here for people devaluing English. Because as impossible it would be for me to take an Advanced Organic Chemistry class, I dare a science major. student to take my English to the restoration of literature, or my Victorian Realism and Social Reform classes. After all, if we're going to compare things, we can't compare advanced Chem classes with introduction sociology courses.
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I haven't taken any higher level English but I have taken 300 level Soc and Psych courses, and they were a JOKE compared to the 300 level Science courses.
My point is, yes, art classes ARE highly valuable in the grand scheme of things, and of course we need those people to fulfil their roles in society. The things taught in those courses are essential to everyday life and are apart of modern day technology (like the art design thing). BUT. In school, the difficulty of those classes simply does not compare to the difficulty of science/eng/med courses. And there is no way any person who has taken a wide variety of both types will say otherwise. I have, and that's why this is a huge issue for me because I couldn't STAND when my Art friends would complain about their **** when I downright KNEW it was nothing compared to what I had on my plate.
That's all I really have to say about it, lol.
EDIT: I do have one more thing to say. Art classes are highly subjective. Grading of papers is NOT always fair. If a certain prof doesn't like your style of writing or if they disagree with your opinion on a certain matter, they may mark you down. I know so many people - art students - who agree with this. With a majority of science - the answer is black or white (especially now since everything is multiple choice).
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by Jennifer
I haven't taken any higher level English but I have taken 300 level Soc and Psych courses, and they were a JOKE compared to the 300 level Science courses.
My point is, yes, art classes ARE highly valuable in the grand scheme of things, and of course we need those people to fulfil their roles in society. The things taught in those courses are essential to everyday life and are apart of modern day technology (like the art design thing). BUT. In school, the difficulty of those classes simply does not compare to the difficulty of science/eng/med courses. And there is no way any person who has taken a wide variety of both types will say otherwise. I have, and that's why this is a huge issue for me because I couldn't STAND when my Art friends would complain about their **** when I downright KNEW it was nothing compared to what I had on my plate.
That's all I really have to say about it, lol.
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I don't know the level of art courses you've taken or what kind of courses you've taken, but many art schools get VERY in depth and are very strict when it comes to quality. Because art is so subjective, art schools are more about your portfolio than problem-solving. Ex: my school has a midway review where you are assigned a panel of industry higher-ups. If they don't find your portfolio up to a certain quality you are placed on a kind of probation period and required to go through another review in 6 months. If you are still not up to par you are removed the school and cannot reapply until you present a portfolio that is up to par. Then there is a final review which does the same, but instead you are not given a diploma until you pass your final review. It can get extremely stressful for some majors like architecture, but like any college major, it's the love of your work that makes it enjoyable and not a chore.
I agree with you completely that the academic difficulty level is no where near that of a Soc/Psych/Science course. I can't even imagine having to take any of your classes, nor would I ever wish to. Art schools are stressful because of the workload and the pressure that is put on you to have an amazing portfolio and resume. I can only speak from personal experience but teachers can be very tough. Just look at how hard it is to get anywhere in the music industry. Art/entertainment is just as cutthroat of an industry as any other, but for different reasons.
Again, when you take an art class just to raise your GPA, you aren't doing it because it's going to be your career and your livelihood. Different strokes for different folks, but you really shouldn't just assume across the board that someone's life or work is easier than yours based off of one determining factor (in this case academic difficulty). If your art friends are complaining about their workload, don't take it for granted, until you walk a mile in their shoes because they may feel the same way about you and your workload. It can also be hard when a teacher or company just does not like your work or style. Art is very subjective.
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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There is no legitimate answer, because it depends on your major.
Wanna major in fine arts or business? Sure it might be easier than High School, but even then thats a stretch.
Wanna major in Computer Engineering, Electrical, or Computer Science? then it is a lot harder than high school. I just finished my Computer Science BA degree program at Umass and it was a pain the the ass, High School was much easier for me in comparison.
High School is a damn joke, do some of you even go to college? What are your majors? I didnt take High School seriously at all and I did good. Like I would barely pay attention in class and Id still get As. Some of you guys are tripping right now.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by like2throw
There is no legitimate answer, because it depends on your major.
Wanna major in fine arts or business? Sure it might be easier than High School.
Wanna major in Computer Engineering, Electrical, or Computer Science? then it is a lot harder than high school. I just finished my Computer Science degree at The University of Massachusetts and it was a pain the the ass, High School was much easier for me in comparison.
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I can't. I don't know how you people do it. All the math and programming.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Probably high school. Both had that looming stress of getting into the next step (which is wonderfully absent now in grad school) but I was in Gifted IB/AP classes in high school and good ****ing God.
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
I can't. I don't know how you people do it. All the math and programming.
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it made me go temporarily insane. Doing that stuff is not fun, but atleast the payoff is good.
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Member Since: 1/7/2011
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College. I've got two jobs, two compeitions teams, 13 hours of classes, loads of homework, and housework xD.
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It depends on how sheltered you were in my opinion. Of course the work is harder in college, but in neither experience is the Academic portion what makes it's difficult, it's really the social parts.
High School was more difficult for me than college because I was exposed to so many different types of people daily for the first time (my school had over 5,000 students). :\ So I had to deal with 'fitting in' for the first time, extracurricular, and managing academia.
College is probably the easiest thing I ever did in my life. I sometimes forget I'm a student, and I'm a computer science/engineering major.
I just feel like I have it downpacked now.
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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Originally posted by ininja3g
College. I've got two jobs, two compeitions teams, 13 hours of classes, loads of homework, and housework xD.
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damn that sounds really tough, I dont think I would be able to balance out all of that stuff within a single week.
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Member Since: 6/16/2011
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Surprisingly, when I first thought about this question I would have said High School due to all of the immaturity I had to deal with, but I couldn't ******** myself that far to say that High School's harder than College.
In College, you are starting the next chapter of your life. Though for some it is not total independence, but it is definitely the next step. You have to be conscious of things that you weren't of before in High School such as finances all other things that now encompass your life. For me, I realized that I was an adult now and had to work my hardest every day to maintain my schedule. There were small things such as making your own dentists/doctor's appointments, ensuring that you were paying your bills, maintaining my car, paying my rent, cleaning my apartment. On top of that, I'm currently doing Pre-Med meaning that I have to be way more involved in clubs compared to what I was doing in High School.
Let's not even get started with course work. For some classes, yes, I agree that it can be easier than High School. I took a 3000 level Spanish class and I probably spent only 30 minutes a day doing homework. That class felt like High School, all I had to do was pay attention in class and I got an A. However, I'm a Biomedical Engineer major and that **** gets cray after your Sophomore year. We had projects which were probably due in 2 weeks and spent 50+ hours on them in that short duration of time and still got a "C" on it. I'm not saying that all College experiences are like mine right now, but I've probably studied 10x more in College compared to High School. Even in High School, I took around 5 AP classes my last year and I thought that was pretty easy. I can tell you now that College is hard.
Sure, the plus side to College is the fact that you don't have to deal with baby stuff like rumors or being popular, but there are still idiots in College that you might have to deal with. But you're not contained in one building and you'll unlikely have multiple classes with someone you dislike unless you're taking Major specific courses and they're the same Major as you are. Other than that, High School is a joke. You can get away with not studying and get an A in the class. You can easily talk and not worry about personal stuff like jobs/finances/future.
But, I don't want to discredit other non science/math majors here. I struggled my ass off in ENGL2000, a class that I was forced to take for Pre-Med. I would not want to be writing essays constantly so I tip my hat off to all of the English majors around. To say that one Major is easier than another is such a broad statement. Some classes may be a cake walk, but each specific path you take will have its problems. If you have not taken a Major you're judging, you have no right doing so.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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College...yeah you have a lot of freedom when it comes to your course load and scheduling but you don't have anyone forcing you to do your schoolwork and there is A LOT of distractions to deter you from getting your work done...in college it's your responsibility to wake up and go to class, there's no parents waking you up (and it's very tempting for you to not go to class)
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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I loved the freedom I had in scheduling my classes...I'm not a morning person so all my classes were in the afternoon and evening...and I would schedule my classes so that I would have 1 class on Mondays and Wednesdays, 3 classes on Tuesday and Thursdays, and no classes on Fridays
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Member Since: 12/20/2011
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Member Since: 10/19/2011
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I don't really know I will start college next year, my mom loves to scared me with all her stories about college when she was studying Medicine
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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It actually depends. I have this IB program which is supposedly VERY hard... And they say if you can get through IB you can get through uni with a breeze.
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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If you're majoring in science/math/engineering/medicine it's obiviously gonna be more difficult. If you're not, it's probably gonna be easier.
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Member Since: 6/28/2009
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
Probably high school. Both had that looming stress of getting into the next step (which is wonderfully absent now in grad school) but I was in Gifted IB/AP classes in high school and good ****ing God.
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This, I never knew I would have this stress/anxiety over a term paper and 100 pages of history reading over WINTER BREAK.
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Member Since: 7/20/2010
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I love college. HS sucks!
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