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Discussion: Myths about Racism and Privilege
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Question: I am wondering why it is a bad thing to want a post-racial society when isn't it defined as an environment that is devoid of racial preference, discrimination, and prejudice? Therefore desired? This powerpoint makes a post-racial society seem like one where everyone is seen as equal and involves the dismissal of oppression of PoC. Can someone clarify?
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Member Since: 10/30/2011
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Well...this powerpoint and thread made me feel completely guilty for my skin color.
I guess I just won't get it, and never will.
I just don't like how this makes me and every other white person look to be racists. I never really thought of myself as racist, but if this powerpoint says I am, and lots of people are agreeing with it, it must be true.
Sorry for my disgusting racism...
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It's ok whitey 
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Originally posted by lasersss
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Great info in the OP, but, I can't with any kind of race related discussion on this forum anymore. I just seriously don't have the patience.
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Member Since: 4/24/2011
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I just don't get it.
She wants racism to stop, but she wants equality not to exist (because it dismisses all the fights of PoC, but didn't PoC fight FOR equality? It wouldn't dismiss anything, it will end the struggle).
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then people using the term "that's racist" would also be inaccurate 99% of the time. It would just be prejudiced.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Well...this powerpoint and thread made me feel completely guilty for my skin color.
I guess I just won't get it, and never will.
I just don't like how this makes me and every other white person look to be racists. I never really thought of myself as racist, but if this powerpoint says I am, and lots of people are agreeing with it, it must be true.
Sorry for my disgusting racism...
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yeah i think her anger towards ignorant white people regarding racism came across as shaming white people for their unearned advantages (in the same way that black people have unearned disadvantages for their race), which is NOT constructive and does NOT help the cause
you should just know as a white person that you have a lot of benefits because of the history YOU DID NOT CONTROL and YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR --- but that you need to be aware of those because you ARE responsible for the future that history is shaping
so just use white privilege to stop racism you see and ignorance you hear, be open to racism, and be sensitive to the hardships people face
but PLEASE don't feel guilty for being white, because there's no point in that and you are not racist by default because you were born with that skin color
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Originally posted by Georges
1)Institutional racism is the racism of a collective country/society
Racism by definition is the belief of a difference in superiority between races.
And sure, you'd think Tumblr would hand out powepoints in a socological nature....
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1) Ok now we're all on the same page with definitions. Yay good.
2) Duh?  The writer is from another site Woman of Color in Solidarity. That's about as sociological as it gets.
It just irks me that people use "you're racist!" so lightly tho.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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This thread is such a mess, omg
Racism still exists, but not to the degree that so many people try to make it out to be. Conditions are getting better as time goes on, feel free to disagree but facts are facts. (Im not saying racism does not exist right now, it does, but much less than it used to)
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Lorde
Question: I am wondering why it is a bad thing to want a post-racial society when isn't it defined as an environment that is devoid of racial preference, discrimination, and prejudice? Therefore desired? This powerpoint makes a post-racial society seem like one where everyone is seen as equal and involves the dismissal of oppression of PoC. Can someone clarify?
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i think her point is that a post-racial society ignores all the hardships that poc have faced and currently face and also ignores culture, which is hugely disrespectful
one could also argue that a post-racial society following a society of white superiority would tend to lead more towards a white society, but that's an argument for another day
in my opinion a post-racial society and ignoring color is more about ignoring the hard pill to swallow that is the truth of racism's past and present
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by Samuel
I dont understand why the definition of racism has been changed somehow 
The Oxford Dictionary defines it as: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:
I don't understand how that means a black person can't be racist to a white person. Not to say that that does happen or that it's a real problem, but technically it's possible surely? |
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Member Since: 11/20/2011
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Originally posted by Samuel
Tumblr activists are not going to change the definition of the word 'racism'. The fact remains that it is entirely possible to be racist towards white people- that's not to say it's a big problem like racism towards black people is, but it is possible and it does happen, although much much less regularly. If a person is being prejudiced or discriminated against based on their race, they are a victim of racism regardless of their skin colour. The Oxford Dictionary agrees.
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IKR. It's just like gays trying to change the definition of marriage in the OED. Everybody knows gay marriage didn't exist until this year when the OED and Macmillan considered revising their marriage definition  .
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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This thread and the OP are just a mess.
Maybe in America, it's only white racism, but I'm pretty sure if you go to China/Japan, Africa, etc, you will have asian-supremacy, black-supremacy, etc. People naturally relate to/favor people who look like them. shocker. It's not only endemic to the U.S.
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Member Since: 4/7/2009
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Well...this powerpoint and thread made me feel completely guilty for my skin color.
I guess I just won't get it, and never will.
I just don't like how this makes me and every other white person look to be racists. I never really thought of myself as racist, but if this powerpoint says I am, and lots of people are agreeing with it, it must be true.
Sorry for my disgusting racism...
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The world could use more Macklemore's like you. 
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
This thread and the OP are just a mess.
Maybe in America, it's only white racism, but I'm pretty sure if you go to China/Japan, Africa, etc, you will have asian-supremacy, black-supremacy, etc. People naturally relate to/favor people who look like them. shocker. It's not only endemic to the U.S.
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well the person in the op is most likely american, canadian, or western european which drove her to write that the way that she did
and in africa, asia, and south america there's actually a lot of white supremacy because of colonization lol
china and japan are also homogenous countries so no supremacy of that kind doesn't really exist
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
i think her point is that a post-racial society ignores all the hardships that poc have faced and currently face and also ignores culture, which is hugely disrespectful
one could also argue that a post-racial society following a society of white superiority would tend to lead more towards a white society, but that's an argument for another day
in my opinion a post-racial society and ignoring color is more about ignoring the hard pill to swallow that is the truth of racism's past and present
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So a post-racial society would be insulting for PoC? I mean, aren't they fighting against racism and ignorance with equality as a goal?
This just doesn't make sense to me, they want to fight racism but don't want equality? 
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I think today's issues is that the history behind racism is being forgotten. When history is forgotten, it is bound to be repeated. There's much more to it than just whites making blacks slaves. And another thing I see is that the history of slavery of other races is quickly being forgotten as well.
I also notice that whenever racism is brought up, it's "white vs. black". At least from what I see, there's no one that goes up in arms whenever something offensive occurs with another race. I just don't like how people overlook the issues of other races and pin point one as more significant than the other.
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Originally posted by uhoh-ohno
IKR. It's just like gays trying to change the definition of marriage in the OED. Everybody knows gay marriage didn't exist until this year when the OED and Macmillan considered revising their marriage definition . |
 Gays wanting equal rights =/= Tumblr activists wanting to change the definition of a word for no reason. Personalised racism can happen to white people. Just accept it 
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Slavery is happening again, but it's not in the historical sense. People are slaves to the system: welfare, food stamps, disability (there are counties/neighborhoods were 50%+ of the population collect disability checks. 50%!!!), and credit cars. It's not simply railing against "white man" that will solve this problem because this problem affects people of all colors and races. Just look at trailer parks and tell me that's not similar to inner city ghettoes.
Anyways, money + education are the only way to end this new form of slavery/racism/prejudice. People aren't going to think better of a whole group of people just because you demand them to and put up pretty charts and tumbles, while at the same time, the system and the media show a majority of people collecting welfare, getting locked up, thieving etc being of this race or that race.
I think that's about it though?  there are certainly instances of true racism in little pockets. Like with "The Machine" in Alabama and the KKK, but that doesn't really affect 99% of black, hispanic, etc people. Make Money + college. that's the way.
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There is no other cure to racism than equality. None. To not have equality means you have boundaries between races, which in the history of racism, has always been present. Equality destroys all borders and everything is open to one another.
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