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Celeb News: Ryan Tedder addresses Bey's song-writing credit
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Originally posted by atrlster
Where is this disdain? All I'm trying to say here is that a change this minor doesn't usually warrant credit.
And small melodic changes should be recognized but this small?
Like I said above, many artists add runs and other minor additions to their songs all the time differing from demos and don't claim credit for it. If someone holds a note in a song slightly longer than the demo, no one is going to claim credit But who knows, maybe you think Beyonce should claim credit if she did that.
String arrangements and guitar parts are added to song all the time and often they can lean melodic. Do you think most people are getting songwriting credit for that?
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Not when most of the current artists don't do their own vocal arrangements, and would rather xerox the demo instead. Like I said before, regardless of the size of the changes, it deserves it's credit rightfully so. In Beyonce's case, she did more than switching up the melody, she also did the vocal arrangements. I'm certain, if the tables were turned, and another songwriter did what Beyoncé did to the demo, and wasn't credited, you would be singing a different tune.
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I will never forgive him for making Halo and Already Gone the same song.
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Originally posted by QueenBLadyG
When did I ever say I knew it all and you know nothing? So overdramatic. Just pointing out that you don't know anything about the deal and what was done. I'm not the one trying to dispute everyone's comments on the matter with my own ideas of what was or is. And you want to talk about someone doing the same thing over and over. Try again.
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Look in the way sadnews and I have been discussing this with specific details and look at your hysterical empty responses.
It's not my own ideas. There's a set protocol that most people follow. Obviously, Beyonce has some kind of special agreement that doesn't follow the normal standards for how people get credited and it seems you even realize that.
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Originally posted by atrlster
And again, the stuff you're mentioning is more along the lines of a production decision, not a songwriting one.
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it's called arrangement.
"An arrangement is the adaptation of a previously written musical composition for presentation. It may differ from the original form by reharmonization, paraphrasing or development of the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic structure"
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You just can't convince me (and most of the people) that Bey's songwriting is legit when she can't write a proper letter to the First Lady of the US.
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Originally posted by Castiel
You just can't convince me (and most of the people) that Bey's songwriting is legit when she can't write a proper letter to the First Lady of the US.
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further explain what that has to do with anything
she had two misspellings throughout that whole letter
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Originally posted by atrlster
Look in the way sadnews and I have been discussing this with specific details and look at your hysterical empty responses.
It's not my own ideas. There's a set protocol that most people follow. Obviously, Beyonce has some kind of special agreement that doesn't follow the normal standards for how people get credited and it seems you even realize that.
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You said her contributing such a little shouldn't warrant her a title of songwriter and I disputed that it could. My responses were far from empty. I never mentioned any specifics because I didn't see any in your comment.
And it's obvious that is the case. Which is why I'm wondering why this is even being discussed by people who have nothing to do with it or have any information about it? None of us were involved so no one can say for sure what warranted the songwriting title. That's another reason why I wasn't getting deep into it. We don't know the specifics.
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Originally posted by sadnews
it's called arrangement.
"An arrangement is the adaptation of a previously written musical composition for presentation. It may differ from the original form by reharmonization, paraphrasing or development of the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic structure"
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A change in arrangement would go in the production category. Especially for these kinds of minor changes. Beyonce wasn't sitting on a computer creating a beat from scratch.
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its easy to make something better when you didnt come up with it in the first place. but slay i guess
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Originally posted by atrlster
Look in the way sadnews and I have been discussing this with specific details and look at your hysterical empty responses.
It's not my own ideas. There's a set protocol that most people follow. Obviously, Beyonce has some kind of special agreement that doesn't follow the normal standards for how people get credited and it seems you even realize that.
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Sadnews is pretty much saying what most of the hive have been said in this thread. You're just too wrapped up in spewing the same nonsense over and over again. Then again, I don't expect much from someone who thinks songwriting is limited to lyrics.
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Originally posted by Castiel
You just can't convince me (and most of the people) that Bey's songwriting is legit when she can't write a proper letter to the First Lady of the US.
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How does one correlate song writing to the grammar of a letter?
You don't need proper grammar to come up with a song.
Blind people can write songs.
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Originally posted by atrlster
Look in the way sadnews and I have been discussing this with specific details and look at your hysterical empty responses.
It's not my own ideas. There's a set protocol that most people follow. Obviously, Beyonce has some kind of special agreement that doesn't follow the normal standards for how people get credited and it seems you even realize that.
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Stating it like it's a fact.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
Sadnews is pretty much saying what most of the hive have been said in this thread. You're just too wrapped up in spewing the same nonsense over and over again. Then again, I don't expect much from someone who thinks songwriting is limited to lyrics.
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Considering sadnews didn't try to claim those runs as songwriting credit unlike the others, I would say that's not the case at all.
And not you claiming that I think songwriting equals only lyrics Not when I have mentioned melody since my first post in here and just talked about the crediting of the tracks/music beds.
I don't think I've even mentioned lyrics or barely if I have. So to say I think songwriting is only lyrics?
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[QUOTE=sadnews;21006455]it's called arrangement.
"An arrangement is the adaptation of a previously written musical composition for presentation. It may differ from the original form by reharmonization, paraphrasing or development of the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic
She thinks songwriting is limited to lyrics. A few pages back, she claimed a melody couldn't be vocalized . lol
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May as well post her songwriting praise and recognition in here. Some of y'all acting like she can't out sentences together.
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In 2001, she become the first African-American woman and second woman songwriter to win the Pop Songwriter of the Year award at the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers Pop Music Awards. Beyoncé was the third woman to have writing credits on three number one songs ("Irreplaceable", "Grillz" and "Check on It") in the same year, after Carole King in 1971 and Mariah Carey in 1991. She is tied with American songwriter Diane Warren at third with nine songwriting credits on number-one singles. In May 2011, Billboard magazine listed Beyoncé at number 17 on their list of the "Top 20 Hot 100 Songwriters", for having co-written eight singles that hit number one on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. She was one of only three women on that list.
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that's depends on rhw writer/producers. not you. as I saiad before, the time changed.
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In dance music, the line between arrangement and composition is even more blurred. Traditionally, the track constitutes arrangement. Quincy Jones didn't get songwriting credits for creating the tracks behind Michael Jackson's biggest hits, but production credits. But these days "top-liners" sometimes have to write to a ready-made track, so the track becomes part of the inspiration.
When it comes to hip-hop (and sometimes R&B) the question of songwriting splits can become even more intricate. Look at the credits of some of those records and you'll see up to ten names on one single track. Sometimes it's due to all the samples they've used, but often it's because producers set up a groove and invite a crew of people to jam on it. Then the publishers tear their hair out, as it's difficult to give a writing credit to "Vernon from Prospect Park" and "Al from around the way" without having any more information than that.
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http://www.theguardian.com/music/mus...ecreditsbehind
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Do “non-writing” bandmates share credit just by working on songs in rehearsals?
A copyright share is meant to reflect a role in the creation of the song – the composition of the words, melody, or harmony. Drum fills and guitar solos do not typically obtain a share. If you mutually decide that a band member is contributing creatively to the composition, then you may choose to recognize it with a credit.
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http://www.socan.ca/creators/member-...ngwriting-band
getting songwriting credit for arrangement and beats or tracks whatever it is.
it's normal and standard in current mainstream pop/urban scene. people do get credit for some ideas too.
and yet you make it sounds like beyonce is the only one and she's weirdo.
anf those minors are in your eyes, to me it's big deal. how many artists do that? show me the example that it's minor and nobody taking credit for that.
babyface get writer credit on 'Best thing I never had' for his little arrangement too. timbaland and his production partner get both writer and producer credit for their some key/synth sound in dtunk in love.
this is notthing new. this is how credit works nowadays.
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[QUOTE=JustActinUP;21006653]
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Originally posted by sadnews
it's called arrangement.
"An arrangement is the adaptation of a previously written musical composition for presentation. It may differ from the original form by reharmonization, paraphrasing or development of the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic
She thinks songwriting is limited to lyrics. A few pages back, she claimed a melody couldn't be vocalized . lol
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Again, I never said either of those.
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^^ sadnews you shouldn't have to keep posting that info.
This shouldn't have to be explained to someone who knows what they are talking about!
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Originally posted by atrlster
A change in arrangement would go in the production category. Especially for these kinds of minor changes. Beyonce wasn't sitting on a computer creating a beat from scratch.
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I see you're confused by "arrangement"
arrangement including everything. from lyrical change to melody change, song structure to vocal arrangement, insturment changes.
so indeed some part is leaning to writing while other part is leaning to prouction side.
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Originally posted by sadnews
that's depends on rhw writer/producers. not you. as I saiad before, the time changed.
http://www.theguardian.com/music/mus...ecreditsbehind
http://www.socan.ca/creators/member-...ngwriting-band
getting songwriting credit for arrangement and beats or tracks whatever it is.
it's normal and standard in current mainstream pop/urban scene. people do get credit for some ideas too.
and yet you make it sounds like beyonce is the only one and she's weirdo.
anf those minors are in your eyes, to me it's big deal. how many artists do that? show me the example that it's minor and nobody taking credit for that.
babyface get writer credit on 'Best thing I never had' for his little arrangement too. timbaland and his production partner get both writer and producer credit for their some key/synth sound in dtunk in love.
this is notthing new. this is how credit works nowadays.
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Again, I know the track makers get credit for their beats/grooves/drums/music beds/tracks/whatever you want to call it and I agree with that, so I'm not sure what you're disagreeing on.
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