At one point in mid00s, Bey was the blueprint for the r&b/pop star.
I think her discog has made impact. I don't see how it hasn't.
Crazy in Love, Irreplaceable, and Single Ladies. 4 being ahead of its time.
This current visual album and the blueprint it's likely set with future album marketing.
At one point in mid00s, Bey was the blueprint for the r&b/pop star.
I think her discog has made impact. I don't see how it hasn't.
Crazy in Love, Irreplaceable, and Single Ladies. 4 being ahead of its time.
This current visual album and the blueprint it's likely set with future album marketing.
Even if a trend in releasing a visual album isn't started, she will have started a larger conversation about the album as a whole, and rethinking the traditional release that has been widely accepted by major stars for the past 30 or so years.
Yes. She's credited with bringing several new trends into popular music through both Destiny's Child and her solo career. Keep up
This. Her singing style has absolutely shifted the way many approach delivery in R&B uptempos. Some had kind of played around and toyed with variations of rap singing, but no one had quite done it the way Bey did in her DC vocals:
There are no examples of anyone singing in such a way prior to DC. The closest would be MJ on "Jam" and Mariah on "Breakdown" and even those aren't quite like what Bey introduced. She was absolutely the first to do it in the way that she did which is why she is primarily credited with its popularization. If you listen to the rap singing that is all over the place in R&B today, it doesn't sound like MJ's aggressive scatty staccato on Jam nor does it sound like the super fast melodic Bone Thugs flow Mariah mimicked on Breakdown, it falls directly in line with the signature style created by Bey that was DC's trademark sound.
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The genius of Beyonce, as with any great artist, begins with the aspects of her music that have stylistically set her apart, and thus influenced her peers. Like Mary J. Blige and Lauryn Hill before her, Beyonce mixes Soul and R&B with elements of Hip Hop in a way that is neither forced nor haphazard. She can move seamlessly and assuredly between both aesthetically, attaining a certain level of believability that someone like Amerie never seems to reach in that arena. The core of what makes Beyonce’s take on Hip Hop/Soul so unique is her hiccupping, rapid-fire vocal style. Rather than going the Mary J. route, and basically utilizing a classically Soulful vocal style over Hip Hop-inflected beats, or the L-Boogie route, and both singing and rapping masterfully (but separately), Beyonce combines the two, delivering her soulful, R&B vocals in a stuttering, rhythmic fashion that almost sounds like rapping. Though Mariah Carey flirted with this style on her 1997 album Butterfly (particularly with “Breakdown,” her collaboration with Bone Thugs n’ Harmony), Beyonce clearly perfected it; she rides beats the way a rapper does, but never gets lost, staying focused and firmly on pitch. This was the key to the success of Destiny’s Child; heavily influenced by TLC (in which it was Left Eye’s job to convey the trio’s connection to Hip Hop vocally), the group improved upon their model by blurring the line between R&B and Rap vocals. The group’s debut single, the Wyclef Jean-remixed “No, No, No,” is a prime example of this, where Beyonce sings almost impossibly fast, while retaining a soulful delivery, melisma and all.
Here's examples of common hip hop influenced R&B/Urban uptempo delivery -- in most cases the hip hop connection was introduced via a featuring rapper and the vocals are traditionally melodic as opposed to rhythmic.
1998/1997:
Now let's look at some other uptempos by the same artist after DC achieved a string of hits with their unique singing style --
The vocals are much faster and sharper with choppy staccato phrasing, the vocals are rhythmic, follow the beat more closely instead of flowing slowly and melodically with more elongated notes over the beat:
2001/2004:
What Mariah did with melisma, Bey did with the rhythmic rap-singing and it's a staple delivery now in contemporary R&B up and mid-tempos.
Also, she further explored around with more unique things like doing uptempos with completely chord free, percussion only beats and hard hip hop tracks. That's another one that's become more and more common whereas it was virtually non-existent (with singers) prior to Bey.
This video explains quite a bit on that and how/why it's unique to her:
Well, while Britney has impact, its more of a cultural impact than a musical impact. Her imitators in 1999 were hardly due to her but to the fact that a large market was left open for young teen girls. Sonically, she is pretty standard pop.
and Taylor makes pretty normal country-pop songs that don't really advance the genre nor start trends.
The fast-singing style of No, No, No and subsequent Destiny's Child singles spurred a trend in this vocal style, and it is still very often being used today.
Crazy in Love started a trend of go-go style songs seen in the likes of Amerie's 1 Thing and J.Lo's Get Right.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but not many female pop stars were using the dancehall style (it was mostly relegated to Jamaicans or males at the time) and after the huge success of Baby Boy, there were many singers signed and debuting with this style (Kat Deluna, Rihanna). The same could be argued for Naughty Girl's middle eastern style sound that was later heard in The Pussycat Dolls' Buttons and Christina Milian's Dip it Low (the whole video screams Beyonce too).
Irreplaceable spawned countless imitations from the likes of Chris Brown, Rihanna (three times in one era!) and Jordin Sparks.
Single Ladies is perhaps the most iconic song of the last few years. Undoubtedly due to it's video, the song is still a crucial part of the equation.
Now I agree with some of your initial points but I have to say you're REACHING if you're trying to give Bey credit for pop stars using dancehall and then insinuating that thats the reason Rihanna a natural born West Indian got signed. (Of course her debut was going to be island inspired thats all she knew at the time and ultimately soca, dancehall, reggae is who she is)
IDEK why Rih is being mentioned in here at the Navy and Hive
BUT on topic: Yes, Bey did have impact on pop music: Single Ladies is THE most obvious example of it and Bey's impact is not limited to pop music. Like others have already noted she has influenced R&B greatly as well.
Very rarely does one popstar start a trend though. There may be one who taps into a trend before the others, but that trend was ready to break through to the mainstream regardless of who used it first.
The thing about Beyonce is she doesn't generally chase trends. That's why her lead singles are always vastly different from the sound of the times. Example: Crazy in Love. Nothing sounded like that before it's release. Beyonce's music is always very singularly "Beyonce". She adds this touch to her music, or finds music with a certain uniqueness. I don't think there's a popstar who releases music that is so different from the general consensus of the current pop sound. That's why in 2011 when no popgirl wanted to release anything other than something with a beat drop or a Dr. Luke production, Beyonce went and released 4.
You can't credit Beyonce for a trend that was started in the 1970s and has been done over and over again ever since. Old school R&B is a trend that every R&B artist does in their career. The only reason Beyonce kept doing it is because of the success of CIL.Same reason why RTW and Single ladies are similar.
You also need to stop thinking Beyonce is better than everyone else because she does't work with Dr Luke when works with Timbaland, Pharell and Dream. Like....
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What about Hate That I Love You or Good Girl Gone Bad (nearly identical instrumental). It's not a coincidence here. There was no "Oops! We accidentally used the same writer and producers of Irreplaceable and we accidentally ended up having songs that are very similar and we accidentally released them!"
Neyo and Rihanna were both signed at the same time to the same label so I guess take that as you may. Then again I also think that HTILY and GGGB sound like We Ride which is another Stargate production.
She has LOCAL impact. Internationally, she's seen as a good performer and that's that! She doesnt have that much legacy aside from her performance skills and only one truly iconic local song. I kinda pity her tbh
This. Her singing style has absolutely shifted the way many approach delivery in R&B uptempos. Some had kind of played around and toyed with variations of rap singing, but no one had quite done it the way Bey did in her DC vocals:
There are no examples of anyone singing in such a way prior to DC. The closest would be MJ on "Jam" and Mariah on "Breakdown" and even those aren't quite like what Bey introduced. She was absolutely the first to do it in the way that she did which is why she is primarily credited with its popularization. If you listen to the rap singing that is all over the place in R&B today, it doesn't sound like MJ's aggressive scatty staccato on Jam nor does it sound like the super fast melodic Bone Thugs flow Mariah mimicked on Breakdown, it falls directly in line with the signature style created by Bey that was DC's trademark sound.
Here's examples of common hip hop influenced R&B/Urban uptempo delivery -- in most cases the hip hop connection was introduced via a featuring rapper and the vocals are traditionally melodic as opposed to rhythmic.
1998/1997:
Now let's look at some other uptempos by the same artist after DC achieved a string of hits with their unique singing style --
The vocals are much faster and sharper with choppy staccato phrasing, the vocals are rhythmic, follow the beat more closely instead of flowing slowly and melodically with more elongated notes over the beat:
2001/2004:
What Mariah did with melisma, Bey did with the rhythmic rap-singing and it's a staple delivery now in contemporary R&B up and mid-tempos.
Also, she further explored around with more unique things like doing uptempos with completely chord free, percussion only beats and hard hip hop tracks. That's another one that's become more and more common whereas it was virtually non-existent (with singers) prior to Bey.
This video explains quite a bit on that and how/why it's unique to her:
Sister what kinda HOLY clockage?
Receipts and all.
Now I agree with some of your initial points but I have to say you're REACHING if you're trying to give Bey credit for pop stars using dancehall and then insinuating that thats the reason Rihanna a natural born West Indian got signed. (Of course her debut was going to be island inspired thats all she knew at the time and ultimately soca, dancehall, reggae is who she is)
No, I never said that Beyonce is the reason popstars use dancehall. Where did I say that? I was talking about female popstars. I can't think of any pre-Beyonce that used it but like I said, correct me if I'm wrong. There's Lumidee but she came out at the same time as Beyonce did solo.
And I wasn't saying that it's the reason that Rihanna got signed, but as Jay-Z had Beyonce has a perfect example of a popstar right next to him, and since its well known that she was groomed in a Beyonce 2.0 style, it's not so far fetched to talk about Beyonce in the decision to sign Rihanna, regardless of where she was born. I'm also not saying Rihanna couldn't have done dancehall, but to sign an artist that is from somewhere that does dancehall obviously shows there was a trend to have female popstars singing dancehall songs.
She has LOCAL impact. Internationally, she's seen as a good performer and that's that! She doesnt have that much legacy aside from her performance skills and only one truly iconic local song. I kinda pity her tbh
then why do the korean and english pop girls look up to her then?
You can't credit Beyonce for a trend that was started in the 1970s and has been done over and over again ever since. Old school R&B is a trend that every R&B artist does in their career. The only reason Beyonce kept doing it is because of the success of CIL.Same reason why RTW and Single ladies are similar.
You also need to stop thinking Beyonce is better than everyone else because she does't work with Dr Luke when works with Timbaland, Pharell and Dream. Like....
Neyo and Rihanna were both signed at the same time to the same label so I guess take that as you may. Then again I also think that HTILY and GGGB sound like We Ride which is another Stargate production.
I'm just going to quickly reply to the first paragraph because it has nothing to do with what you quoted. CIL was individual in 2003, regardless of whether or not go-go happened already in the 1970s.
And I'm sorry but is Timbaland some major hitmaker right now? Is he the go-to guy? Does her music with him sound like his music with everyone else? The answer is no to all these questions. The Dream also is not very used these days and she's been working with Pharrell for ages now and even more recently before he had all this success with Blurred Lines.
And what does Neyo and Rihanna being signed at the same time mean? I don't get that paragraph.
She has LOCAL impact. Internationally, she's seen as a good performer and that's that! She doesnt have that much legacy aside from her performance skills and only one truly iconic local song. I kinda pity her tbh
Do you only come on ATRL to talk about Beyonce? You need to stop.
It really hasn't.
You don't see young pop stars trying to steal her sound and producers in order to get a hit single, because if they did they'd fail. Her music has had some impact on culture, but none in the music industry
It really hasn't.
You don't see young pop stars trying to steal her sound and producers in order to get a hit single, because if they did they'd fail. Her music has had some impact on culture, but none in the music industry
Exactly. If you were to attempt to get a hit, would you try and imitate one of the most talented and individual popstars out there or someone else that can easily be replicated?
Beyonce isn't famous for her music. Her music means nothing. She's only about the image and the performance. So, obviously no, her music did nothing so far. She's not really a musician really. Her performances YES, they've made a HUGE impact but she could be singing her songs or somebody else's, it wouldn't matter.
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