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News: Students told term ‘be a man’ represents toxic masculinity
Member Since: 5/27/2016
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PragerU videos? Jesus Christ. 
The idea that sexual assault, unwanted sexual contact, etc. are somehow not part of the overall umbrella of rape culture is so purposely obtuse that it's laughable.
You can't vilify the metrics of a study for being too vague and opening up its finding to all sexual assault - implying 1 in 5 women still do experience some form of unwanted sexual contact, whether it be rape or sexual assault or something else - and then use that to try and claim there is no rape culture and that it's a "feminist myth".
Not to mention that the video paints the idea that someone can take back consent mid-way through sex as "whacky or outrageous" speaks for itself.
Wanna know what else the BJS - who the video praise - found? That 1 in 5 female college students are sexually assaulted in their time enrolled at school.
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Member Since: 10/30/2011
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
i'll embrace my masculinity tyvm
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Originally posted by Communion
PragerU videos? Jesus Christ.
The idea that sexual assault, unwanted sexual contact, etc. are somehow not part of the overall umbrella of rape culture is so purposely obtuse that it's laughable.
You can't vilify the metrics of a study for being too vague and opening up its finding to all sexual assault - implying 1 in 5 women still do experience some form of unwanted sexual contact, whether it be rape or sexual assault or something else - and then use that to try and claim there is no rape culture and that it's a "feminist myth".
Not to mention that the video paints the idea that someone can take back consent mid-way through sex as "whacky or outrageous" speaks for itself.
Wanna know what else the BJS - who the video praise - found? That 1 in 5 female college students are sexually assaulted in their time enrolled at school. |
I have had my ass grabbed in a club before. In fact, part of the initiation of some of the female drinking societies at Cambridge University (my alma mater) involves grabbing the asses of guys of the male drinking societies. I wonder how many men we could include in those sexual assault statistics?
Lumping all these statistics together for research purposes is like combining punches, stab wounds, gunshot wounds and murders together. Ridiculous.
Either way, the one thing that pleases me in general in life is that only feminists and SJWs believe these statistics. Only feminists and SJWs seem to be affected by these statistics. I'm only really friends with normal people in life (all walks of life from rich to poor, people from all over the world) and very few (if any) are unlucky enough to live in a world as horrid as the one SJWs describe to us. If feminists and SJWs want to carry on becoming more and more unpopular, living sad, lonely, unsuccessful lives, more power to them. Personally, it's not the route I have any intention of taking.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Reinvention
Gosh ya'll are so pressed by the facts.
Toxic masculinity is the reason ya'll gays got ruthlessly bullied at school and why the straights reject you as friends and why you'll never feel comfortable holding your same-sex partner's hands walking around town. |
nnnn the drag
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Hmm I kinda agree to an extent. There's nothing wrong with teaching your kids to be a man tbh. But when it goes overboard and when masculinity looks down on women/gay people than it could be a problem. Discrimination, sexism, violence.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I have had my ass grabbed in a club before. In fact, part of the initiation of some of the female drinking societies at Cambridge University (my alma mater) involves grabbing the asses of guys of the male drinking societies. I wonder how many men we could include in those sexual assault statistics?
Lumping all these statistics together for research purposes is like combining punches, stab wounds, gunshot wounds and murders together. Ridiculous.
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See, this is why I can't take the right seriously.
You can rattle off as many statistics as you want, but if you purposefully ignore cultural nuance and the way gender IS constructed ('ha ha! I don't believe in patriarchy! so it isn't constructed in any way!!' sure, Jan  ), you show you have no clue what you're talking about.
To begin, no one should be grabbing anyone's ass without permission, BUT the way (straight) men's bodies and agency is constructed is factually different than women's. If you think ALL groping women experience is "probably" just drinking games, you really have dug your head in the sand because you hate women and are beyond help. Ask women who have been assaulted and tell them about your theory that a majority of it was done 'in fun' and see how the women react to you.
Stop ****ing touching people without consent and making excuses for it. Like... why do you want the permission to do so without question? That is really what it comes down to for anyone to be so obtuse and willfully dishonest & ignorant re: the rape and assault women face.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Communion
See, this is why I can't take the right seriously.
You can rattle off as many statistics as you want, but if you purposefully ignore cultural nuance and the way gender IS constructed ('ha ha! I don't believe in patriarchy! so it isn't constructed in any way!!' sure, Jan ), you show you have no clue what you're talking about.
To begin, no one should be grabbing anyone's ass without permission, BUT the way (straight) men's bodies and agency is constructed is factually different than women's. If you think ALL groping women experience is "probably" just drinking games, you really have dug your head in the sand because you hate women and are beyond help. Ask women who have been assaulted and tell them about your theory that a majority of it was done 'in fun' and see how the women react to you.
Stop ****ing touching people without consent and making excuses for it. Like... why do you want the permission to do so without question? That is really what it comes down to for anyone to be so obtuse and willfully dishonest & ignorant re: the rape and assault women face. |
And you're why I can't take the left seriously. But it really doesn't matter. The United Kingdom is generally a conservative country; even the last Labour government had to take on conservative economic policies to gain office. I don't particularly have to worry about idiotic liberalism, especially with an unelectable extreme leftist at the helm of the opposition.
But you know what, it doesn't affect me. If you want to continue believing the 1 in 5 rape statistic, I am not going to try and convince you otherwise. I am a scientist and an academic, and I know how corrupt the methodology of those studies and how manipulated those statistics are. But if you want to believe them, believe all you like.
I live a very happy life, I love my country, and I just don't see the horrific side to western society which you choose to see. Good luck to you in your struggles against the flying spaghetti monster (well, the patriarchy, but there is about as much evidence to suggest one exists as there is to suggest the other does).
Oh, and I'm gay... I have no interest at all in groping women.
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Of course the feminine-hating gays (who are probably queens) are trying to blast this
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Reinvention
Gosh ya'll are so pressed by the facts.
Toxic masculinity is the reason ya'll gays got ruthlessly bullied at school and why the straights reject you as friends and why you'll never feel comfortable holding your same-sex partner's hands walking around town. |
LIke I was shocked reading the first few comments. People wanna drag ''sjws'' so bad
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Zhuge Liang
Hmm I kinda agree to an extent. There's nothing wrong with teaching your kids to be a man tbh. But when it goes overboard and when masculinity looks down on women/gay people than it could be a problem. Discrimination, sexism, violence.
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This.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Every SJW vs Anti-SJW thread:
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Member Since: 3/8/2014
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Originally posted by Abyssy
If you don't like the term "toxic masculinity" then call it whatever you want, but it does exist.
The patriarchy also exists and that's pretty obvious. No one's saying you can't be masculine, the problem is the overbearing sense of masculinity that seems to be instilled in us from when we are young and any man who deviates away from that is likely to be criticised or not valued.
It affects women, it affects men, it affects the LGBT+ community and it affects straight people. The idea that men aren't allowed to show emotion or that men always have to "be strong" is not healthy nor realistic. This "toxic masculinity" is the cause of high rates of suicide amongst men as well as other serious issues.
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Member Since: 4/29/2012
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Originally posted by Communion
PragerU videos? Jesus Christ.
The idea that sexual assault, unwanted sexual contact, etc. are somehow not part of the overall umbrella of rape culture is so purposely obtuse that it's laughable.
You can't vilify the metrics of a study for being too vague and opening up its finding to all sexual assault - implying 1 in 5 women still do experience some form of unwanted sexual contact, whether it be rape or sexual assault or something else - and then use that to try and claim there is no rape culture and that it's a "feminist myth".
Wanna know what else the BJS - who the video praise - found? That 1 in 5 female college students are sexually assaulted in their time enrolled at school. |
No what is laughable is placing "unwanted sexual contact" in the same category as rape.
Please go to a rape victim and tell them how you know how they feel because you regret consensual drunk sex or you were, as the original 1 in 5 study put it, "pressured into sex by lies".
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Not to mention that the video paints the idea that someone can take back consent mid-way through sex as "whacky or outrageous" speaks for itself.
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Nowhere in the video is this the case. They simply described the affirmative consent laws as vague and confusing to everyone because they don't change a damn thing.
Every party involved can still lie about giving consent or not giving consent.
It's a useless law in practice.
And maybe you should read the research you post before positng it since it
a) once again gives the vague statement of "unwanted sexual contact" which can be anything.
and b) states the following:
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However, several caveats about these estimates should be noted.
As discussed in Section 5.2.2, no information about the number of such incidents, the
type of unwanted/nonconsensual sexual contact that occurred, the tactic used, the month/year of theincident, or any other incident-level details were obtained about victimizations experienced prior to the 2014–2015 academic year
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The point is this: unwanted sexual contact /=/ rape.
Groping and the like is NOT ok but it's not comparable to rape.
This is my final reply on this topic tho.
Please continue to hold on to a debunked,sensationalised statistic that places the USA in the same category as the Congo or Colmobia in terms of rape.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Both sides in this thread are being dumbasses.
The term "be a man" has both positive and negative connotations. I was out drinking with one of my best gay friends on Friday because he was sad his boyfriend of two years broke up with him. I'm pretty sure I told him to man up and get over the douche (he cheated on my friend, so obviously my drunk ass wanted to beat the crap out of his ex). I didn't mean it negatively, I meant it as be strong, you got this. Then I took him to a club here called play (gay club) so he could have some fun, and he crashed in my bed.
I use it with all my friends (tell my female friends to women up) to not say you're acting like a girl/guy, but to be strong and assertive. I'm pretty sure most of the people who defend the term in this thread are like me v. the people who hate the term probably saw it used to say "stop acting like a girl." Depending on how the term is used, just like a lot of other phrases, it can mean anything. Chill out.
As for toxic masculinity, yes boys are raised from a young age to be protectors, don't show your sensitive side, etc. just because we are told you aren't allowed to be weak in this world. While that is bad, there is truth to this statement though. Even at some companies you have to develop backbone or you won't succeed. Aka, people at mcdonalds cant complain about every single customer that upsets them. They would never stop complaining. I grew up in that type of environment. But even guys will tell their closest friends whats wrong with them, so it really isn't bottled. We just don't express it as often to everyone. There isn't anything wrong with that, although some men (and women for that matter) can take hiding their emotions too far.
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Member Since: 11/26/2010
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Originally posted by BGXKB
always knew you hated yourself |
uhhh what? my post was clearly celebrating a facet of my personality that's being demonized by the fascist social left. 
now kindly **** off.
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Member Since: 9/4/2008
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"Be a man" is a disgusting term so I see no issues here.
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I was walking up some stairs yesterday with a heavy suitcase and I asked if there was a lift, the security guard turned around and said "Aha oh come on, you gotta be a strong man". I turned around and threw my suitcase at him. He's currently being a "strong man" in hospital with a broken back.
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Member Since: 12/10/2010
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I have had my ass grabbed in a club before. In fact, part of the initiation of some of the female drinking societies at Cambridge University (my alma mater) involves grabbing the asses of guys of the male drinking societies. I wonder how many men we could include in those sexual assault statistics?
Lumping all these statistics together for research purposes is like combining punches, stab wounds, gunshot wounds and murders together. Ridiculous.
Either way, the one thing that pleases me in general in life is that only feminists and SJWs believe these statistics. Only feminists and SJWs seem to be affected by these statistics. I'm only really friends with normal people in life (all walks of life from rich to poor, people from all over the world) and very few (if any) are unlucky enough to live in a world as horrid as the one SJWs describe to us. If feminists and SJWs want to carry on becoming more and more unpopular, living sad, lonely, unsuccessful lives, more power to them. Personally, it's not the route I have any intention of taking.
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Sounds like a fufilling life you lead 
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Toxic masculinity is a serious issue and it goes way deeper than just saying, "be a man".
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