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Celeb News: Katy Perry: "All Lives Matter"
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Queen Of Controversy.
She can tweet that she prefers double stuffed Oreos than regular Oreos and ATRL would bash her for preferring more white on her cookie than the black cookie itself and call her a racist.The ****ing reach on her comments that mean well...go outside and live life then come back and knock some sense before you post. Black lives are part of ALL lives. Just because its not what it's being spread doesn't mean it shouldn't be heard.
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Originally posted by Vespertine
The point is that black people are dying at the hands of white officers with no repercussions. That's why the hashtag is #BlackLives and needs to stay #BlackLives, because those are the lives in danger.
To put it in a way that gays can hopefully understand: it would be like going to a pride parade with a sign that says "I support straight marriage as well!!!!" except this is quite literally a matter of life and death.
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Originally posted by longjohn9898
This is like running through a gay parade shouting "all sexualities matter." Of course "all lives matter" and "all sexualities matter" or whatever have you, but that is not the point. Diluting the cause to saying it affects all people like Katy Perry is going to walk down the street and get racially profiled, harassed by police, and potentially murdered for the color of her skin is absolutely ludicrous. Katy may have had good intentions, but those intentions matter little when she tries to make a movement something that it is not.
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Originally posted by longjohn9898
 at us literally typing the same thing at virtually the same time
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Well your "point" is wasted as I don't support gay rights parades and simply believe in equality, so yes, I think that "all sexualities matter". Waiting for people to tell me my OPINION is wrong in 3, 2, 1...
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Originally posted by ToxicKat
Queen Of Controversy.
She can tweet that she prefers double stuffed Oreos than regular Oreos and ATRL would bash her for preferring more white on her cookie than the black cookie itself and call her a racist.The ****ing reach on her comments that mean well...go outside and live life then come back and knock some sense before you post. Black lives are part of ALL lives. Just because its not what it's being spread doesn't mean it shouldn't be heard.
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Exactly. Iggy Azalea doesn't tweet about the movement? RACIST. Katy Perry does tweet about the movement? RACIST. Literally there's no winning this, people just need to brace themselves for the incoming imminent attacks.
Word of advice: you may want to think about pissing off the majority of people that you're actually trying to get on your side to support your cause BEFORE you piss them off.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
This is rubbish, and all just your interpretation. She was showing support, and because it's Katy, people have to pick holes in her support because they can. If a black person said the same thing, nobody would blink an eye.
And to say that she's "bandwagoning" is completely offensive to the cause. Isn't the whole POINT of the cause to make more white people aware (since they're the majority) and to spread the knowledge, and so saying that if a white person supports the cause, it's "bandwagoning", is just ridiculous, and self-destructive.
The whole reason anyone has a problem with what she has said is people are interpreting "All Lives Matter" as some kind of statement like "white lives matter too!!! don't forget us whites!!!" which is CLEARLY not the intent, but more along the lines of, "all lives matter, not just white lives" as somebody already pointed out.
Arguing about this just makes the people against Katy look ignorant and is self-destructive to the cause. You can't just try and see the bad in people all the time. That's now how it works.
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That's the point. The cause is #BLACKLIVESMATTER for a reason. The cause is NOT #AllLivesMatter. She is NOT supporting THE CAUSE. If she had supported the cause of #BlackLivesMatter this whole thread wouldn't exist right now, but she didn't. She is ATTEMPTING to support the cause by jumping on the bandwagon and tweeting some faux-empathy to make herself feel better about herself, but because she spent two seconds thinking about the cause and zero effort learning about it, she ignorantly diluted the cause to #AllLivesMatter when that is not the issue at all.
This is NOT just about Katy Perry either--all of the people who tried to make this about #AllLivesMatter deserve the same response, but Katy's history of exploiting homophobia, cultural appropriation, and general bandwagoning of social causes she knows nothing about for commercial success makes this tweet not an anomaly of an event but a trademark of her career.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Exactly. Iggy Azalea doesn't tweet about the movement? RACIST. Katy Perry does tweet about the movement? RACIST. Literally there's no winning this, people just need to brace themselves for the incoming imminent attacks.
Word of advice: you may want to think about pissing off the majority of people that you're actually trying to get on your side to support your cause BEFORE you piss them off.
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Disgusting.
Two black men have been killed by cops (not to mention countless others) and all you can think about how your white, rich, privileged fave is being 'attacked' over it.
What is wrong with you?
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Originally posted by longjohn9898
That's the point. The cause is #BLACKLIVESMATTER for a reason. The cause is NOT #AllLivesMatter. She is NOT supporting THE CAUSE. If she had supported the cause of #BlackLivesMatter this whole thread wouldn't exist right now, but she didn't. She is ATTEMPTING to support the cause by jumping on the bandwagon and tweeting some faux-empathy to make herself feel better about herself, but because she spent two seconds thinking about the cause and zero effort learning about it, she ignorantly diluted the cause to #AllLivesMatter when that is not the issue at all.
This is NOT just about Katy Perry either--all of the people who tried to make this about #AllLivesMatter deserve the same response, but Katy's history of exploiting homophobia, cultural appropriation, and general bandwagoning of social causes she knows nothing about for commercial success makes this tweet not an anomaly of an event but a trademark of her career.
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More assumptions. Katy simply said that all lives mattered, never hashtagged it or anything. She wasn't making any #AllLivesMatter movement against the #BlackLivesMatter one.
Katy Perry has never exploited gay people, cultural appropriation is severely over-exaggerated (what harm does wearing a kimono once in a while cause? really?) and makes light of ACTUAL cultural appropriation and, once again, to say that somebody's support of a societal issue is "bandwagoning" is a rude assumption. Support is support, who are you to say that Katy didn't want to support this cause out of good faith?
Disgusting.
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Member Since: 3/12/2012
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Exactly. Iggy Azalea doesn't tweet about the movement? RACIST. Katy Perry does tweet about the movement? RACIST. Literally there's no winning this, people just need to brace themselves for the incoming imminent attacks.
Word of advice: you may want to think about pissing off the majority of people that you're actually trying to get on your side to support your cause BEFORE you piss them off.
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Word.
If she had tweeted #BlackLivesMatters she'd be dragged either way and be called a Bandwagoner, a try hard mess and just tweeting it for attention. It would have been best to just not say anything even though her intentions were very Mother Teresa like.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
More assumptions. Katy simply said that all lives mattered, never hashtagged it or anything. She wasn't making any #AllLivesMatter movement against the #BlackLivesMatter one.
Katy Perry has never exploited gay people, cultural appropriation is severely over-exaggerated (what harm does wearing a kimono once in a while cause? really?) and makes light of ACTUAL cultural appropriation and, once again, to say that somebody's support of a societal issue is "bandwagoning" is a rude assumption. Support is support, who are you to say that Katy didn't want to support this cause out of good faith?
Disgusting.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Katy Perry has never exploited gay people
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Have you listened to her debut album? 
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Originally posted by Mitch.
Disgusting.
Two black men have been killed by cops (not to mention countless others) and all you can think about how your white, rich, privileged fave is being 'attacked' over it.
What is wrong with you?
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"All I can think about" 
Want to fish around and pluck something that suits you out of my next post, too?
What has happened - what is happening to black people in America is atrocious, and needs to be stopped. All lives matter, not just white lives. #BlackLivesMatter
Katy was sending her support for this message. But instead of being met with gratitude - or heck, nothing at all, she was met with being called an opportunist, a bandwagoner, someone who didn't make any attempt to understand the cause and is thought to be perpetuating a message that goes AGAINST the #BlackLivesMatter movement when what she said is anything but.
THAT is my problem. Just because people don't like her as a "white, rich, privileged" woman, they want to act as if she's faking her support just to get a few retweets. That's not cool.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
More assumptions. Katy simply said that all lives mattered, never hashtagged it or anything. She wasn't making any #AllLivesMatter movement against the #BlackLivesMatter one.
Katy Perry has never exploited gay people, cultural appropriation is severely over-exaggerated (what harm does wearing a kimono once in a while cause? really?) and makes light of ACTUAL cultural appropriation and, once again, to say that somebody's support of a societal issue is "bandwagoning" is a rude assumption. Support is support, who are you to say that Katy didn't want to support this cause out of good faith?
Disgusting.
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Reading comprehension is key.
I NEVER said Katy Perry didn't want to support the cause--in fact, quite the opposite--she wants to support the cause because it benefits her but is so ignorant about it that she made it into "All Lives Matter" when the ACTUAL CAUSE itself is "#BlackLivesMatter" and it is that for a reason.
I will not argue with you about her history of exploiting homosexuality (google controversies about Ur So Gay's lyrics and her following that up with I Kissed A Girl), or her being so ignorant about Japanese culture that she literally combined every Asian stereotype and culture into one performance and wore an outfit that was not actually Japanese.
Intentions mean little. Murderers can have "good intentions," police officers can have "good intentions" but at the end of the day there are still two unarmed, innocent black men killed and you care nothing more than to protect your fave from deserved backlash.
It doesn't surprise me that fans of a woman who has built her career on homophobia and cultural appropriation can't understand those terms.
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ATRL once again proving you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Good on Katy for tweeting her support.
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Originally posted by Vespertine
Have you listened to her debut album? |
Yes I have. 2, perhaps 3, out of 14 total tracks even remotely touch on homosexuality as a subject. "I Kissed A Girl", "Mannequin" and "You're So Gay". Mannequin isn't really even related as it's just addressing a man's masculinity and that's her preference and so I'll move on from that. "I Kissed A Girl" is NOT addressing homosexuality. It's all about attention seeking whilst drunk at a party. She even says "hope my boyfriend don't mind it," reinforcing that this is NOT a lesbian anthem. There's nothing wrong with having fun and messing around with people of the same sex, ATRL should be the MOST aware of this. Finally, "Ur So Gay" is making use of the term of gay as it was commonly used in 2007 as "stupid", as well as referencing the sexuality. But how is that exploiting them, exactly? Sure, it's a bit offensive, and it's not a very good song, but it's hardly exploiting them.
Not that this thread is about One Of The Boys. Katy has never exploited gays, just as she's never said that white lives matter more than black lives.
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Originally posted by seanoh
ATRL once again proving you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Good on Katy for tweeting her support.
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yeah NO. Katy's tweet was ignorant it's a racial issue stop diluting the damn message. Like the famous tweet you don't go to funeral and scream I felt loss too. Like why is it so hard for people to comprehend
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This thread is literally going nowhere
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Dear lord, if this is the reaction she'll get why even bother.
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That's nice of her.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Why do white people make everything about them?
#BlackLivesMatter
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My first thought tbh. Why did she change the slogan 
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Why are y'all arguing w/ Sam Jay?
He/She clearly doesn't get it.
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