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Celeb News: Nicki: Anaconda was about women taking their power back
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Originally posted by moijejoue
It's not like anyone stopped modern women from making choices in the first place.
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...yeah, but that's not what's represented in the music industry today. People still raise their eyebrows at videos like this even though Madonna did it a decade ago and it's still acceptable to portray women in a less-than desirable way in music videos that feature male leads.
I think people are looking too much into the context of the lyrics and not enough into the fact that Nicki is taking a stand for women to be able to express themselves the same way that men are.
I don't think what's going on in the Anaconda video = feminism, but I do think that what Nicki is doing with her career at the moment is a huge movement for feminism... this thread is proof enough to show that people still question a women's intent whenever she steps out of the comfort zone. "Oh ****, Nicki Minaj is treating men like women have been treated in music videos for decades." No, she's not the first... but I think it says a lot that's she's able to make a video like this.
I mean, she literally took a song about objectification and turned it around. It's astounding.
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Originally posted by moijejoue
i don't understand how flashing your body parts is considered empowering. She's clearly using her body to attract men and get more video views and $$$. If you have rely on something as primal as sex instead of intelligence to get ahead in life, i find that to be very regressive instead of progressive,
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We teach girls shame!
Close your legs!
Cover yourself.
Are you listening?!
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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn
Um gender inequality? Equal pay? Rape culture? Women are oppressed everywhere, obviously not equally but to say women and men are treated exactly the same in the west is so naive and plain ignorant.
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No they aren't treated the same but it doesn't automatically mean that men have it much better. Are you telling me that men don't have to deal with gender inequality or "rape culture" as you put it? Are you telling me that men aren't told to "suck it up" up when expressing emotion? Or that when men themselves get raped or abused by women that aren't called gay for not enjoying the sex or called a bitch or sissy for not hitting back even though it is the man who gets in trouble if he retaliates. Or what about the fact that men are more likely to lose custody of their children to the mother? And equal pay is a myth created by women who are expected to be paid the same for working less hours. And if feminists are so concerned about the oppressions of women, why are they focusing merely on these petty issues and not helping women who have ZERO rights in other countries?
This is why I can't take modern feminine seriously. 
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Originally posted by Harmonic Dreamer
we teach girls shame!
Close your legs!
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People can be comfortable in their skin and that's fine but when they present themselves in a less than admirable way for fame and fortune, that's not empowering. Your objectifying yourself for the masses. This apply to both sexes btw.
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Member Since: 11/20/2011
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Originally posted by Kim Kardashian
The idea of the song is to change a sexist song (Baby Got Back) into a female empowerment anthem.
Why is Nicki not a feminist because she's showing her body?
The video was made to spark controversy, which it did. It was also made to spark conversation, which it clearly has with the 7 pages of this thread.
Why must a feminist cover up and never be a sexual being?
Why does that immediately mean that a woman is catering to the male gaze?
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First all, I passed no judgment on Nicki being or not being a feminist. I critiqued her video. Feel free to reread my comment. There seems to be this logic round these parts that every decision a woman makes is feminist simply because it's a woman making it. By that logic, if a female politician enacts legislation to deny women, say, abortion rights, or equal pay, then that decision is a feminist one that should be supported, simply because the politician in power is female.
Now, I just explained to you, rather succinctly, why the chorus of Anaconda just reinforces notions of the male gaze. Nicki does not change the chorus. She merely samples word for word, the part where Sir Mix A Lot (a man) talks about the only women, he deems acceptable to screw.
Some of you need to take the stan goggles off because Anaconda is not "My Neck, My Back" or even "Rude Boy," for that matter. It's a far weaker attempt at such songs, complete with a video that undermines just about everything that was supposedly empowering about the song. Where in the song was there anything about giving lap dances or spraying whip cream all over her chest? OK, those are tropes; just like using bananas as phallic symbols and cheesing while lifting two pound weights in bikinis.
LAN was far more effective and empowering. She talked about sex in LAN and came across like a boss, rather than a plaything.
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Originally posted by moijejoue
No they aren't treated the same but it doesn't automatically mean that men have it much better. Are you telling me that men don't have to deal with gender inequality or "rape culture" as you put it? Are you telling me that men aren't told to "suck it up" up when expressing emotion? Or that when men themselves get raped or abused by women that aren't called gay for not enjoying the sex or called a bitch or sissy for not hitting back even though it is the man who gets in trouble if he retaliates. Or what about the fact that men are more likely to lose custody of their children to the mother? And equal pay is a myth created by women who are expected to be paid the same for working less hours. And if feminists are so concerned about the oppressions of women, why are they focusing merely on these petty issues and not helping women who have ZERO rights in other countries?
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Men have it a LOT better.
The last line annoys me so much.
It's like saying: Why would we even bother prosecuting someone who murdered an innocent human being when we could be going after someone who killed hundreds.
Just because there are bigger things going on, doesn't mean we should ignore the smaller things.
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Originally posted by moijejoue
No they aren't treated the same but it doesn't automatically mean that men have it much better. Are you telling me that men don't have to deal with gender inequality or "rape culture" as you put it? Are you telling me that men aren't told to "suck it up" up when expressing emotion? Or that when men themselves get raped or abused by women that aren't called gay for not enjoying the sex or called a bitch or sissy for not hitting back even though it is the man who gets in trouble if he retaliates. Or what about the fact that men are more likely to lose custody of their children to the mother? And equal pay is a myth created by women who are expected to be paid the same for working less hours. And if feminists are so concerned about the oppressions of women, why are they focusing merely on these petty issues and not helping women who have ZERO rights in other countries?
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I think the issue is more so the portrayal of women in the industry, and the double standards there. There's an obvious difference in the standards held for women as opposed to men. No one is saying that men don't experience this, but that it's overwhelming women who experience unequal standards.
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Originally posted by moijejoue
No they aren't treated the same but it doesn't automatically mean that men have it much better. Are you telling me that men don't have to deal with gender inequality or "rape culture" as you put it? Are you telling me that men aren't told to "suck it up" up when expressing emotion? Or that when men themselves get raped or abused by women that aren't called gay for not enjoying the sex or called a bitch or sissy for not hitting back even though it is the man who gets in trouble if he retaliates. Or what about the fact that men are more likely to lose custody of their children to the mother? And equal pay is a myth created by women who are expected to be paid the same for working less hours. And if feminists are so concerned about the oppressions of women, why are they focusing merely on these petty issues and not helping women who have ZERO rights in other countries?
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Gender inequality hurts men as well as women. They're rigid boxes that everyone has to conform to and if they don't they're ridiculed and disrespected. Nowhere did I deny that. Also nowhere did I deny men don't get raped too and there are problems with custody issues however none of these have anything to do with Nicki not being able to shake her ass.
The reality is in society women and men are not equal and to deny these inequalities and act like they're insignificant is where you're wrong. Also who says feminists aren't trying to improve the lives of women in less economically developed countries? There is a crusade against FGM going on right now if you cared you'd look it up. Saying women abroad have it worse doesn't mean women in the west don't have it bad also.
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Originally posted by uhoh-ohno
There's nothing feminist about the Anaconda video. Although the song has its moments. The chorus of the song is still about what's appealing to the male gaze.
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Feminism is not about women hating or shaming men.
Feminism is not saying women can't be sexual.
Feminism is not about women being greater than men.
Feminism is the social, political, and economic EQUALITY of the sexes.
Equality being the key word.
Nicki is a cisgendered, heterosexual female.
Her hyper sexed up image will not be catered towards women because she is not a lesbian.
"We teach girls that they cannot be sexual being, not in the way that boys are."
If a woman's sexual partner is a man, why can't she not be sexual and beautiful FOR HERSELF but also her partner, a man?
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"the song is about dicks and i like dicks"
how hard was that?
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Originally posted by uhoh-ohno
First all, I passed no judgment on Nicki being or not being a feminist. I critiqued her video. Feel free to reread my comment. There seems to be this logic round these parts that every decision a woman makes is feminist simply because it's a woman making it. By that logic, if a female politician enacts legislation to deny women, say, abortion rights, or equal pay, then that decision is a feminist one that should be supported, simply because the politician in power is female.
Now, I just explained to you, rather succinctly, why the chorus of Anaconda just reinforces notions of the male gaze. Nicki does not change the chorus. She merely samples word for word, the part where Sir Mix A Lot (a man) talks about the only women, he deems acceptable to screw.
Some of you need to take the stan goggles off because Anaconda is not "My Neck, My Back" or even "Rude Boy," for that matter. It's a far weaker attempt at such songs, complete with a video that undermines just about everything that was supposedly empowering about the song. Where in the song was there anything about giving lap dances or spraying whip cream all over her chest? OK, those are tropes; just like using bananas as phallic symbols and cheesing while lifting two pound weights in bikinis.
LAN was far more effective and empowering. She talked about sex in LAN and came across like a boss, rather than a plaything.
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Please go back and read my posts in this thread, I am not talking as a stan.
I'm talking as a feminist.
You still don't get the sample.
The idea was to change the meaning.
She's taking a sexist, demeaning song and turning it into an empowerment anthem for women.
The video does not undermine the song at all.
Even when you take out the part where she walks away from Drake, it still fits with the song.
She's being comfortable in her sexuality, she's doing whatever the **** she wants because when you strip away the negative connotations that's what the word "feminist" means.
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Originally posted by ZimsexZim
"the song is about dicks and i like dicks"
how hard was that?
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Subjective.
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Originally posted by Kim Kardashian
Men have it a LOT better.
The last line annoys me so much.
It's like saying: Why would we even bother prosecuting someone who murdered an innocent human being when we could be going after someone who killed hundreds.
Just because there are bigger things going on, doesn't mean we should ignore the smaller things.
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But from what I notice, especially from feminists online more specifically tumblr, these feminists focus solely on these issues. There is rarely any talk of what's going on outside North America. This why I really can't take western feminists seriously. Maybe if you tackled the bigger issues first then maybe solutions can be found for the smaller situations.
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Originally posted by moijejoue
But from what I notice, especially from feminists online more specifically tumblr, these feminists focus solely on these issues. There is rarely any talk of what's going on outside North America. This why I really can't take western feminists seriously. Maybe if you tackled the bigger issues first then maybe solutions can be found for the smaller situations.
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Whilst I do think more should be done to help Women in other countries, that's not really up to the everyday feminist.
That's up to the governments who will not help those women over fear of losing allies.
You're obviously are lucky enough to have never experienced gender discrimination but my guess is if you had, you wouldn't be so stupid.
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Wow. All this. For that song and video.
The video was shock tactic used to get the song to be more successful then it initially was. There is a way of being overtly sexy without it looking tacky. She did not accomplish this. The song is about ****ing guys and having a big ass. Women don't need empowerment to do this.
And what I find even more hilarious in a "it's funny but I'm not laughing" way is how she skinny shams at the end of the song knowing damn well 95% of her "big ass" is fake.
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Originally posted by moijejoue
People can be comfortable in their skin and that's fine but when they present themselves in a less than admirable way for fame and fortune, that's not empowering. Your objectifying yourself for the masses. This apply to both sexes btw.
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I think it's painfully obvious she is not trying to be 'admirable' (who are you to judge what is admirable anyways???!!!)
She did what she wanted to do. It's whatever.
God, some of y'all have tunnel vision.
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tfw when people look for something that isn't there
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I don't know, on one hand it could empower women, but then I see these little girls like 12 years old shaking their a*s to this and thinking that's what they have to do to get the attention of men.
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
And what I find even more hilarious in a "it's funny but I'm not laughing" way is how she skinny shams at the end of the song knowing damn well 95% of her "big ass" is fake.
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& what I find hilarious is that you can't realise that part was a joke. hence why she was laughing and saying it playfully.
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