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Discussion: Nicki's Future In Pop.
Member Since: 12/26/2011
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Originally posted by Reza
I want her to do 100% pop
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I just....
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Nope, I'm insisting that her pop songs sound like Ke$ha throwaway tracks, not that pop music is throwaway and it was more shade to Nicki's pop music and not Ke$ha's. Let's not read too deep into my posts.
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I don't think I was reading too deeply, I just think your post needed clarification tbh
but I don't really think you can deny that there is an underlying message in a lot of posts in this thread: you can't build a "worthy" career or legacy through pop music OR a legacy in rap/hip hop is somehow more prestigious/valuable.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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The only problem with Pink Friday is that it didn't come hard enough. Mix in Beam Me Up Scotty with Pink Friday, and she'll be able to please both her fanbases fully.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Well, in this case, I'm not shading Ke$ha.
But I don't think Ke$ha's music will be considered "iconic" or "legendary" years down the line, and that's not shade.
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Right. I agree with you.
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Member Since: 10/28/2011
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YOU KNOW THE **** WHAT, I am actually quite offended by ryanpittman belittling the accomplishment that is becoming a Rap icon. WAY out of line.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Space
I don't think I was reading too deeply, I just think your post needed clarification tbh
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Well did I clarify it enough for you or do you need more?
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Member Since: 12/26/2011
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
1. turn me on is a good pop song and will eventually become iconic
2. i didnt say success= quality i said that her pop songs are bigger than her hip-hop songs but her hip-hop songs are much better.
3. the same can be said for nicki too, and plus riri and katy have a much bigger fanbase, and are pop radio queen nicki isnt.
im not arguring im just sharing my opinion no need to get mad. (p.s. i love that youre a miley stan)
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Turn Me On is a good song, yes. But nobody discusses it. A song just doesn't become iconic because it's 'good'. Your second point completely just implied what I was trying to get across. Even if her hip-hop songs aren't as successful, they're more better in quality. I'm not gonna get into an argument over the Rihanna and Katy statement, but think as you wish.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Reza
I want her to do 100% pop
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Never
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
Turn Me On iconic? Being a rap legend being a small accomplishment? Katy and Robyn more accomplished than rap legends? Pop songs and being like Katy and Robyn building her legacy? Katy and Rihanna building a legacy off of their Pop hits?
I'm sorry. No, no, no and no.
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oh please you know 5 years from now turn me on will be iconic, and yes being a rap legend is a much smaller accomplishment than being a pop legend, yes katy and robyn have accomplished way more than rap legends, shes not being like katy and rihanna, she has her own style on her pop songs (whip its, beatiful sinner, roman holiday), and yes when its all said and done nicki, rihanna, and katy will build a legacy off of their pop hits if the continue to evolve
ex: pon de replay to where have you been
i kissed a girl to wide awake
as long her music progresses over time she will have no issue.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
YOU KNOW THE **** WHAT, I am actually quite offended by ryanpittman belittling the accomplishment that is becoming a Rap icon. WAY out of line.
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Clark, bro, calm down. ryanpittman means no harm.
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Member Since: 4/13/2012
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I hope she goes for a more hip hop sound next album. PF:RR could've ended after whip it and I wouldn't have cared. the redone tracks are her best endeavors into pop (except automatic) but should also be the extent
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Space
but I don't really think you can deny that there is an underlying message in a lot of posts in this thread: you can't build a "worthy" career or legacy through pop music OR a legacy in rap/hip hop is somehow more prestigious/valuable.
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There's no underlying message in my post. My point is basically out there in the open. Others can dissect it the way they choose to.
I'm not against pop music (after all I'm on a board that targets mainly pop music), but I also don't think making pop music guarantees someone a legacy.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Well did I clarify it enough for you or do you need more?
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I don't think Nicki has made an iconic pop song yet. has she made an iconic hip hop track? I'm not sure. doesn't mean she can't or won't some day. just trying to keep everyone honest
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Go back to her hip-hop roots with an album with more hip-hop & hardcore rap and 3-5 "Super Bass" like songs.
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Let's establish the meaning of the word "iconic".
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3. a sign or representation that stands for its object by virtue of a resemblance or analogy to it.
5. a sign or representation that stands for its object by virtue of a resemblance or analogy to it.
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To be iconic is to represent or symbolize something. Thriller is iconic for Michael Jackson's career, 1980s Pop culture and all music videos, tbh. Michael Jackson is iconic for the modern performer. Single Ladies is iconic for Beyonce's career and late 2000s Pop culture. Baby One More Time is iconic for late 90s Bubblegum Pop and the music of the Millennial Generation. I could go on and on. Turn Me On does not represent or symbolize anything at all.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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all I know is that she will continue to do pop no matter what
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by pika
Turn Me On is a good song, yes. But nobody discusses it. A song just doesn't become iconic because it's 'good'. Your second point completely just implied what I was trying to get across. Even if her hip-hop songs aren't as successful, they're more better in quality. I'm not gonna get into an argument over the Rihanna and Katy statement, but think as you wish.
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it could be i mean its had a big impact since its release, and everyone loves it, and the bridge is just amazing. im glad we see eye to eye on the second situation i do like her pop songs but her hip-hop songs **** all over her pop songs. i think all three of them are becoming overexposed and need to leave the public after the grammys 2013 ( i need some entertainment).
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Member Since: 9/19/2011
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I want her to get back to her roots, but without all them different voices... I want Mixtape Nicki...
I want I Get Crazy, Massive Attack, Go Hard, Blazin... I want all of that kind of tracks on one album
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Member Since: 4/21/2012
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I'd like to see her do a mostly rap album with 2-4 pop songs.. And drop Roman etc. Just Nicki.
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Member Since: 6/12/2008
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Wow... this thread really keeps me awake, 5:30 am already but this discussion is very interesting...
I want Nicki to go down the Hip Hop Road with her next Album...
I love her poptracks but like mentioned already, it's not where she shines... she shines at hip hop, her whole attitude and carisma is there... while in pop she is not standing out, at all..
And I don't get why so many of you are saying that she won't be successfull worldwide anymore if she goes all hip hop with her next era... LOOK AT FREAKIN MISSY ELLIOTT!!! She always stayed hip hop and was HUGE worldwide...she had popelemnts in her tracks but made always sure to stay hip hop, if that makes any sense.
With great hip hop tracks Nicki will do fine!!
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
oh please you know 5 years from now turn me on will be iconic, and yes being a rap legend is a much smaller accomplishment than being a pop legend, yes katy and robyn have accomplished way more than rap legends, shes not being like katy and rihanna, she has her own style on her pop songs (whip its, beatiful sinner, roman holiday), and yes when its all said and done nicki, rihanna, and katy will build a legacy off of their pop hits if the continue to evolve
ex: pon de replay to where have you been
i kissed a girl to wide awake
as long her music progresses over time she will have no issue.
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No, no it won't be. Turn Me On has had 0 impact compared to songs/videos like Thriller, Single Ladies and Baby One More Time. Yes being a Rap legend is a big deal because you will be remembered. Neither Katy nor Rihanna will be remembered or go on to be legends because they haven't done anything like Thriller or SL or BOMT. THEY aren't icons either. They won't have much of a legacy at all. Same with Nicki.
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