[Mr. Crabs]

Originally posted by MissedTheTrain

Right? I'm having a hard time believing they're actually that dense.

TMG and WFH literally has nothing at all to do with the Camila mess and its hilarious that they're now resorting to that. At that time, Camila had thoughts about leaving but didn't know when she was going to do it. It still stands, the girls didn't know when she was leaving until mid November.

But they're gonna want to believe what is better for them. Knowing the truth is good enough for the rest of us.

But the paper say it otherwise, i'm really sorry but why you pretending to not see the OP posted?

[Ryanicorn]

Originally posted by Dominiqtrix

This also explains why 5H barely had any publicity deals in 2016, which is really odd considering it's the year they finally had their huge hit with WFH.

In 2014, 2015 they were barely known but already had a lot going on with their image, from commercials with Clean & Clear, to clothing lines with Wet Seal, they were the new faces of Candies, had 5H Barbie dolls, a clothing line sold at Kohls, etc. Surely whatever deal they had with Syco (who owned their brand at that point) made each and all of them get their equal coins for those.

Then this year when they're having a huge hit they were reduced to promoting irrelevant products on social media, like Sugar Factory and gummy bears for your hair. Worth noting Camila didn't promote any of those. Why? Bc they couldn't make huge deals anymore, they couldn't just go on tv or make a clothing line with 4 members while they publicly presented themselves as a 5 piece group. They had to be lowkey about it.

It's clear to me she was legally not a part of 5H's brand anymore since before May 2016. And I say legally bc you don't just go ahead with reclaiming ownership of a trademark in the name of 4 people if you have a 5th member that has the right to profit from the brand as much as the others. It was already pretty much decided by then that 5H belonged to Dinah, Lauren, Normani & Ally only, so clearly they knew MONTHS ago she was leaving bc why else would this separation already exist back then?

The way they worded those statements were really meant to vilify her. ATRL is a whole different world and they already decided they'll hate Camila no matter what, but I think for adults with common sense the pettiness of those statements didn't make them look that great. It lacked a modicum of decency. She fulfilled her contract with a manufactured group after 4 and a half years, she handled it professionally until their last commitment. Trying to get everyone to hate her was really low.

[inspiration4]

I literally can't get how anyone can paint Camila as the wrong party, still :

Unless the (flawed) logic is that she's wrong for wanting to leave in general. She definitely gave them notice though. We know that from 5H's own statement that they tried to convince her to stay "for a year and a half", and now from legal documents where she began separating herself 12 months after they began trying .

She literally gave them a lifetime of notice lol. Like, what more can you ask for

[Dominiqtrix]

Originally posted by shelven

Well if nothing else, at least one good thing came out of this argument - we're all finally acknowledging that Camila was willing to completely stagnate the group and stop them from thriving just so she could get her way. Her asking them all to go on a hiatus was enough proof for most people, but I'm glad we have this now for the few remaining skeptics.

I love how you spent your time in this thread claiming the only thing this all meant was that Camila's lawyer could have done the same for her just like Dina did for the other 4 girls, completely ignoring the fact Dina represents Fifth Harmony as a group, not them individually and all your arguments were invalid, but THAT's the thing you take away from this, not the fact that if she indeed left 5H before May and they were legally not a 5 piece group anymore for so many time they blatantly LIED on their statement just to manipulate their audience to hate her. Lied about finding out in November, lied about trying to get her to stay if that was already legally settled. But sure, go cry over the fact they couldn't earn some coins using her image for publicity deals.

[Olhiver]

Originally posted by Dominiqtrix

This also explains why 5H barely had any publicity deals in 2016, which is really odd considering it's the year they finally had their huge hit with WFH.

In 2014, 2015 they were barely known but already had a lot going on with their image, from commercials with Clean & Clear, to clothing lines with Wet Seal, they were the new faces of Candies, had 5H Barbie dolls, a clothing line sold at Kohls, etc. Surely whatever deal they had with Syco (who owned their brand at that point) made each and all of them get their equal coins for those.

Then this year when they're having a huge hit they were reduced to promoting irrelevant products on social media, like Sugar Factory and gummy bears for your hair. Worth noting Camila didn't promote any of those. Why? Bc they couldn't make huge deals anymore, they couldn't just go on tv or make a clothing line with 4 members while they publicly presented themselves as a 5 piece group. They had to be lowkey about it.

It's clear to me she was legally not a part of 5H's brand anymore since before May 2016. And I say legally bc you don't just go ahead with reclaiming ownership of a trademark in the name of 4 people if you have a 5th member that has the right to profit from the brand as much as the others. It was already pretty much decided by then that 5H belonged to Dinah, Lauren, Normani & Ally only, so clearly they knew MONTHS ago she was leaving bc why else would this separation already exist back then?

The way they worded those statements were really meant to vilify her. ATRL is a whole different world and they already decided they'll hate Camila no matter what, but I think for adults with common sense the pettiness of those statements didn't make them look that great. It lacked a modicum of decency. She fulfilled her contract with a manufactured group after 4 and a half years, she handled it professionally until their last commitment. Trying to get everyone to hate her was really low.

[Bentley]

Oh wow.

This really paints the situation in a whole new light.

Poor Camila.

[MissedTheTrain]

Originally posted by Mr. Crabs

But the paper say it otherwise, i'm really sorry but why you pretending to not see the OP posted?

The OP doesn't at all refute what I said. Again, Camila did not know when she was leaving in May 2016. She knew she wanted to, but not when.

[talitaldc]

Originally posted by Dominiqtrix

This also explains why 5H barely had any publicity deals in 2016, which is really odd considering it's the year they finally had their huge hit with WFH.

In 2014, 2015 they were barely known but already had a lot going on with their image, from commercials with Clean & Clear, to clothing lines with Wet Seal, they were the new faces of Candies, had 5H Barbie dolls, a clothing line sold at Kohls, etc. Surely whatever deal they had with Syco (who owned their brand at that point) made each and all of them get their equal coins for those.

Then this year when they're having a huge hit they were reduced to promoting irrelevant products on social media, like Sugar Factory and gummy bears for your hair. Worth noting Camila didn't promote any of those. Why? Bc they couldn't make huge deals anymore, they couldn't just go on tv or make a clothing line with 4 members while they publicly presented themselves as a 5 piece group. They had to be lowkey about it.

It's clear to me she was legally not a part of 5H's brand anymore since before May 2016. And I say legally bc you don't just go ahead with reclaiming ownership of a trademark in the name of 4 people if you have a 5th member that has the right to profit from the brand as much as the others. It was already pretty much decided by then that 5H belonged to Dinah, Lauren, Normani & Ally only, so clearly they knew MONTHS ago she was leaving bc why else would this separation already exist back then?

The way they worded those statements were really meant to vilify her. ATRL is a whole different world and they already decided they'll hate Camila no matter what, but I think for adults with common sense the pettiness of those statements didn't make them look that great. It lacked a modicum of decency. She fulfilled her contract with a manufactured group after 4 and a half years, she handled it professionally until their last commitment. Trying to get everyone to hate her was really low.

Worded it better than I ever could

[Mr. Crabs]

Originally posted by MissedTheTrain

The OP doesn't at all refute what I said. Again, Camila did not know when she was leaving in May 2016. She knew she wanted to, but not when.

Well...

[Olhiver]

Fourth Harmony their Pretty Little Liars are coming.

[nhsb]

Originally posted by inspiration4

I literally can't get how anyone can paint Camila as the wrong party, still :

Unless the (flawed) logic is that she's wrong for wanting to leave in general. She definitely gave them notice though. We know that from 5H's own statement that they tried to convince her to stay "for a year and a half", and now from legal documents where she began separating herself 12 months after they began trying .

She literally gave them a lifetime of notice lol. Like, what more can you ask for

This is what I don't understand. If you all know this, why the long essays trying to spin it like they lied?

I will agree she wasn't wrong for wanting to leave, meaning she had every right. I, and many others from what I can see, think she's wrong on other issues and not like her for 'em but those are not really relevant to her decision to leave itself, unless we make assumptions on domino effects. And since December 19th when it began with everyone, yes both parties, celebrating turned into Camila stans scrambling to find **** to try to paint 5h as bullies and us on the defence. (AND extreme anti Camila people too trying to make it all about "she wrong to want to leave") It's all so, so wrong.

[7/27]

Originally posted by Dominiqtrix

I love how you spent your time in this thread claiming the only thing this all meant was that Camila's lawyer could have done the same for her just like Dina did for the other 4 girls, completely ignoring the fact Dina represents Fifth Harmony as a group, not them individually and all your arguments were invalid, but THAT's the thing you take away from this, not the fact that if she indeed left 5H before May and they were legally not a 5 piece group anymore for so many time they blatantly LIED on their statement just to manipulate their audience to hate her. Lied about finding out in November, lied about trying to get her to stay if that was already legally settled. But sure, go cry over the fact they couldn't earn some coins using her image for publicity deals.

Why would they even lie about finding out in November rather than May? Like, I don't see how it even makes a difference whether they found out one month ago or seven months ago. Especially when Camila could easily just prove them wrong if they were lying

[shelven]

Originally posted by Dominiqtrix

I love how you spent your time in this thread claiming the only thing this all meant was that Camila's lawyer could have done the same for her just like Dina did for the other 4 girls, completely ignoring the fact Dina represents Fifth Harmony as a group, not them individually and all your arguments were invalid, but THAT's the thing you take away from this, not the fact that if she indeed left 5H before May and they were legally not a 5 piece group anymore for so many time they blatantly LIED on their statement just to manipulate their audience to hate her. Lied about finding out in November, lied about trying to get her to stay if that was already legally settled. But sure, go cry over the fact they couldn't earn some coins using her image for publicity deals.

If you're going to attempt to "drag" me, the very least you could do is not completely make up what I did and didn't say in this thread.

The comment you claim I "spent my time in this thread" making was a comment I made ONCE. Almost all of my posts in this thread were not about the specifics of which lawyer represented whom, but how Camila not being on the trademark in May didn't mean she couldn't still later decide to be part of the group, meaning that this whole thing isn't in any way proof that the girls lied about trying to convince her to stay past May. And I have still yet to receive a single shred of actual evidence that that's incorrect. A person CAN be added to a trademark agreement after its initial filing, so I was right in saying that calling the girls liars for saying they tried to convince her to stay past May was a logically baseless argument. Telling me who Dina does and doesn't represent doesn't change that.

Again, you and everybody else keep shouting "they LIED!!11!!!!1", but you all seem to go quiet when I and other people bring up the wording of the statement to prove they didn't. They did not say they exclusively found out in November. They said they were informed officially by her manager in November that she would be leaving in December. That doesn't contradict with them hearing Camila or her team telling them a few months before that Camila had general plans to leave down the road.

I'm not addressing your claim that they lied about trying to convince her because it was "legally settled" any further because I'm getting tired of explaining that this was clearly not set in stone by May when things could have easily been changed after that point.

Like I've already said, shouting "LIAR" over and over again won't change the factual evidence that shows they clearly did not lie. Whether or not you think they painted her as a villain or whatever is a matter of opinion, but the impression they left with people was done using facts. Countless external sources at this point have backed up what they've said, including representatives from Epic, the label that represents both 5H AND Camila.

But I do appreciate the fact that you were reasonable enough not to actually dispute the post of mine that you quoted - I think that one's been proven enough now.

[Olhiver]

Originally posted by Dominiqtrix

I love how you spent your time in this thread claiming the only thing this all meant was that Camila's lawyer could have done the same for her just like Dina did for the other 4 girls, completely ignoring the fact Dina represents Fifth Harmony as a group, not them individually and all your arguments were invalid, but THAT's the thing you take away from this, not the fact that if she indeed left 5H before May and they were legally not a 5 piece group anymore for so many time they blatantly LIED on their statement just to manipulate their audience to hate her. Lied about finding out in November, lied about trying to get her to stay if that was already legally settled. But sure, go cry over the fact they couldn't earn some coins using her image for publicity deals.

As I said before 4h and their management are lying , they want the audience hate her what snakes.

[talitaldc]

Originally posted by 7/27

Why would they even lie about finding out in November rather than May? Like, I don't see how it even makes a difference whether they found out one month ago or seven months ago. Especially when Camila could easily just prove them wrong if they were lying

You have people breaking their backs in this thread trying to "prove" they didn't know prior to November so maybe ask them why it's so important. They worded it as if they just had found out that night on the first statement, which wouldn't have made sense when the first OT4 picture came out and there was proof it was shot in November so they backtracked to that date. It was supposed to seem as if she had just given them a 2 week notice and tell them to **** themselves if they didn't like it when it was actually a decision they both had agreed to months prior.

[Bentley]

Originally posted by Olhiver

As I said before 4h and their management are lying , they want the audience hate her what snakes.

Im honestly in shock that they did this her.

Its no wonder why she wanted to leave.

[Samuel.]

Mess

[Mr. Crabs]

Originally posted by shelven

If you're going to attempt to "drag" me, the very least you could do is not completely make up what I did and didn't say in this thread.

The comment you claim I "spent my time in this thread" making was a comment I made ONCE. Almost all of my posts in this thread were not about the specifics of which lawyer represented whom, but how Camila not being on the trademark in May didn't mean she couldn't still later decide to be part of the group, meaning that this whole thing isn't in any way proof that the girls lied about trying to convince her to stay past May. And I have still yet to receive a single shred of actual evidence that that's incorrect. A person CAN be added to a trademark agreement after its initial filing, so I was right in saying that calling the girls liars for saying they tried to convince her to stay past May was a logically baseless argument. Telling me who Dina does and doesn't represent doesn't change that.

Again, you and everybody else keep shouting "they LIED!!11!!!!1", but you all seem to go quiet when I and other people bring up the wording of the statement to prove they didn't. They did not say they exclusively found out in November. They said they were informed officially by their manager in November that she would be leaving in December. That doesn't contradict with them hearing Camila or her team telling them a few months before that Camila had general plans to leave down the road.

I'm not addressing your claim that they lied about trying to convince her because it was "legally settled" any further because I'm getting tired of explaining that this was clearly not set in stone by May when things could have easily been changed after that point.

Like I've already said, shouting "LIAR" over and over again won't change the factual evidence that shows they clearly did not lie. Whether or not you think they painted her as a villain or whatever is a matter of opinion, but the impression they left with people was done using facts. Countless external sources at this point have backed up what they've said, including representatives from Epic, the label that represents both 5H AND Camila.

But I do appreciate the fact that you were reasonable enough not to actually dispute the post of mine that you quoted - I think that one's been proven enough now.

But even via billboard Epic been preparing her solo debut since whole last year?

I mean i'm really sorry but the way they worded their statment is really not professional IMO. They just manipulated fans to fights against each other.

Its 5H manager who shooted fired in the first place, camila replied what she said was consistent with billboard and now with this paper its all clear they've been knowing this since very long time.


Still, they feel the need to crucufy her in the statement and ignites a drama between fans.

[7/27]

Originally posted by talitaldc

You have people breaking their backs in this thread trying to "prove" they didn't know prior to November so maybe ask them why it's so important.

Um, because that's what they said in their statement?

They worded it as if they just had found out that night on the first statement

No they didn't. Camila tried to make it seem like that's what they said by slipping in a "just" into the "we have been informed". Just because some people misinterpreted their statement doesn't mean that's what they were implying.

If they were really trying to imply that Camila told them the night of the first statement, then how would they have explained the photoshoot which was clearly done well before, since everyone knows the girls haven't been together since the last Jingle Ball show.

[talitaldc]

Originally posted by 7/27

Um, because that's what they said in their statement?



No they didn't. Camila tried to make it seem like that's what they said by slipping in a "just" into the "we have been informed". Just because some people misinterpreted their statement doesn't mean that's what they were implying.

If they were really trying to imply that Camila told them the night of the first statement, then how would they have explained the photoshoot which was clearly done well before, since everyone knows the girls haven't been together since the last Jingle Ball show.

"We have been informed" comes off as present tense, they could've easily worded it in other ways that made it clear it wasn't an overnight thing.

They WERE trying to imply that, and you forget that the clarification came a whooping 24 hours after the initial statement, after the hype had died down and the general public's first impression was set. Their second statement didn't have half as much as attention as the other one, which is why they went on to say the November date so it can be justified for the only people that care enough to find out when it was taken (aka fans) that the photoshoot was done "a week after her announcement" (which is still surpringly fast, if you ask me)