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"There Can't Be Five Black Girls Winning" Tinashe
Member Since: 4/7/2009
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If sound matters more than audience then how come when Black girls do pop music similar to their white counterparts, no one buys and the girls flop into obscurity? Not even allowed to get one hit or be one hit wonders. How come every black girl that comes out automatically gets held to a standard of other black girls (Bey, Rih) and MUST be different, edgier, more of a diva than them in order to make it big. Why can't we let them all rock? I feel like there's less pressure for white girls.
Urban listeners have crab in a barrel syndrome when it comes to the girls, so they're not off the hook either.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Repo
I think it might be more of a genre thing. Rap is a lot more forgiving of people sounding the same than pop is, partially since the two target 100%, completely different demographics. And let's be real, pop fans are a lot less forgiving of imitators than rap fans are.
Not to say racism and sexism don't run rampant with higher ups. But I don't think audience finding Tinashe too generic as a problem is instant sexism when she's targeting a totally different demo than the rappers
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True, it's a genre/demographics thing.
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Originally posted by KORDEI
There's a reason why you have your Jays and Kanyes and then you have your Futures and Young Thugs that have radio hits here and there but sell next to nothing and are far from being massive acts. Besides, that's just strictly an urban radio thing. If she's speaking mainstream-wise, Top 40 is what matters the most and to truly stand out there, you just have to be different. Why does she want to be the same anyway?
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I don't think she wants to be the same but she believes that it's harder to be accepted because of her color and gender. Essentially she has to break more barriers. I wish her the best cause I think she is talented.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by MP2K
If sound matters more than audience then how come when Black girls do pop music similar to their white counterparts, no one buys and the girls flop into obscurity? Not even allowed to get one hit or be one hit wonders. How come every black girl that comes out automatically gets held to a standard of other black girls (Bey, Rih) and MUST be different, edgier, more of a diva than them in order to make it big. Why can't we let them all rock? I feel like there's less pressure for white girls.
Urban listeners have crab in a barrel syndrome when it comes to the girls, so they're not off the hook either.
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Thank you
They dont even support Tinashe
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by MP2K
If sound matters more than audience then how come when Black girls do pop music similar to their white counterparts, no one buys and the girls flop into obscurity? Not even allowed to get one hit or be one hit wonders. How come every black girl that comes out automatically gets held to a standard of other black girls (Bey, Rih) and MUST be different, edgier, more of a diva than them in order to make it big. Why can't we let them all rock? I feel like there's less pressure for white girls.
Urban listeners have crab in a barrel syndrome when it comes to the girls, so they're not off the hook either.
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Authenticity is the key...Bey and Rih know who they are. These other girls & their management try to copy Bey/Rih. The GP can sniff dat s*** out in a hot minute.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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no shade but would be saying this if she was successful?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by MP2K
If sound matters more than audience then how come when Black girls do pop music similar to their white counterparts, no one buys and the girls flop into obscurity?
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Notice how you said "similar to their counterparts?" That's why. Rita Ora is trying to copy Ri's style, she flopped into oblivion no matter what she does. Tinashe is often accused of being basic and generic (the first time I heard of her, it was saying she was the new Beyonce), so she struggles there. The issue is these girls are copying a known one, not making their own lane. How many major white pop girls are there who go out and clone someone's style? Ariana Grande is the closest one. And even then, older music fans hate her. Her fanbase is mostly young teenagers who probably have never heard more than one Mariah song in their lives. And that ne plays around Christmas Pop fans just don't have interest in cheap knock offs period.
There's racism in the industry. And sexism. But Tinashe isn't failing to succeed because of it.
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Member Since: 9/11/2010
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I wouldn't say there's less pressure.
I feel like some people in here are being unreasonable. So many white artists flop too. It's not like you're guaranteed to be a hit because you're white. The fact is that white people make up the majority of the population. As of the 2013 census, 63% of the US population was white, non-Hispanic. Which was down from the 69% in 2000. The fact remains that there are more white people in this country. Which means the odds of a singer being white are greater. Only 12.2% of the country was non-Hispanic Black. The odds of having a predominately or even equal black to white music industry is going to be almost impossible. Not with there being that many more white people in this country.
Once again, I'm not saying racism in the industry doesn't exist, I'm just giving and pointing out some facts no one has mentioned. I think so many people are just quick to make statements without actually analyzing all of the facts.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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I love Tinashe, and I feel like she's going to get her spotlight soon, but here is my take on this situation.
Being Black myself, I don't think it's just 'Being Black' that sparks comparisons. Women in general are put up against one another. Even the men too sometimes. I also feel as if Tinashe really does have an advantage over her darker toned peers.
Racism takes apart in this stuff but it's just not racism. It's many other factors.
For instance, Blacks were killing the game in the late 80s through early 00s. What happened? Originality stopped taking place, that's what. Everybody came out with the same image and the same sound.
Back in the day, it wasn't like that. Nobody was the same and everybody had their own image that they were known for.
I think what is truly killing Tinashe's chances are her image and the people she got behind her. Yes, she's super talented and can sing, write, produce, and dance. But what makes HER different? Don't come at me with the fact that she holds more talent than others because that's not going cut it sadly. She needs to find her own lane. Maybe revamp her image and incorporate her African heritage.
Also, her single choices are off too, but I think it's others who have input in that as well. I know she loves PF and Player but she needs to come harder. I was a bit disappointed when Player dropped because it wasn't the pop sound I was looking for. It sounds dated to be honest. I still bought it and play it from time to time though.
Hopefully, she'll get everything together once AMF smashes WW. I also see her leaving RCA. I was scrolling down their Artist page one day and she just doesn't seem to fit there. Interscope or Republic would probably do more with her.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by Repo
Notice how you said "similar to their counterparts?" That's why. Rita Ora is trying to copy Ri's style, she flopped into oblivion no matter what she does. Tinashe is often accused of being basic and generic (the first time I heard of her, it was saying she was the new Beyonce), so she struggles there. The issue is these girls are copying a known one, not making their own lane. How many major white pop girls are there who go out and clone someone's style? Ariana Grande is the closest one. And even then, older music fans hate her. Her fanbase is mostly young teenagers who probably have never heard more than one Mariah song in their lives. And that ne plays around Christmas Pop fans just don't have interest in cheap knock offs period.
There's racism in the industry. And sexism. But Tinashe isn't failing to succeed because of it.
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If you are trying to say Ari copies Mariah please stop. Their music, their sound, and their image are completely different. The only reason she is compared is because of her vocal ability.
She does have her own image. Although I hate the ponytail, that has become one of her trademarks.
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Tinashe just needs to kick it up a notch.
I know her daddy gave her the "talk"
You have to be 10 times better to get half of the pie. It's just the way it is. The only black superstar I've ever seen to get away with being mediocre is Rihanna.(Luv Queen)
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Callisto.
Tinashe just needs to kick it up a notch.
I know her daddy gave her the "talk"
You have to be 10 times better to get half of the pie. It's just the way it is. The only black superstar I've ever seen to get away with being mediocre is Rihanna.(Luv Queen)
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If Rih is so mediocre, why do so many labels attempt to make so many clones of her?
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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She spoke the truth. Sad how there are still a few people in here (ATRL) that don't understand what she's sayign though.
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Originally posted by Lautner_90
no shade but would be saying this if she was successful?
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Does it matter?
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Member Since: 5/7/2009
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
If Rih is so mediocre, why do so many labels attempt to make so many clones of her?
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Which Labels are doing this ?
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Neptune
No shade, what does Zendaya actually do now?
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everytime i ask this i get hate, she seems to be in the spotlight for doing nothing but commentary online??
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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There can be 5 girls winning....just not you.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Mike91
!!!!!!!! I don't think people realize that the audience does NOT care about skin color when listening to music. Some of the biggest hits of the year have been by black males.
People want what's great. And while what is considered "great" is debatable, people still flock to what they want to hear. Unfortunately R&B isn't popular on the charts right now. It's not as much a color thing as much as it is a sound thing.
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NO.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Azealia Banks
NO.
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Well, the audience not caring about skin color is honestly pretty accurate. Most the racism is industry based. I legitimately have never met someone who disliked a song because the artist was non-white. Even online. Ever. (Unless you're suggesting minorities hate white artists)
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Originally posted by dperkins
I wouldn't say there's less pressure.
I feel like some people in here are being unreasonable. So many white artists flop too. It's not like you're guaranteed to be a hit because you're white. The fact is that white people make up the majority of the population. As of the 2013 census, 63% of the US population was white, non-Hispanic. Which was down from the 69% in 2000. The fact remains that there are more white people in this country. Which means the odds of a singer being white are greater. Only 12.2% of the country was non-Hispanic Black. The odds of having a predominately or even equal black to white music industry is going to be almost impossible. Not with there being that many more white people in this country.
Once again, I'm not saying racism in the industry doesn't exist, I'm just giving and pointing out some facts no one has mentioned. I think so many people are just quick to make statements without actually analyzing all of the facts.
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I think there's a lot of truth to this. The fact music is predominantly white artists alone isn't proof of racism when the whites are the majority (of course, there is. But as you said, no one is denying that part)
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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History tells a different story, but okay. She does have a point tho.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I cant help but agree.
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