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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Why are we talking about Bernie winning the popular vote when literally one election based on the popular vote has been accounted for
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Also, to expand on my point about divides between parties and their nominees, I think that if either Sanders or Trump is nominated - or if both are - then this will become a rather huge issue during the general election. The gaps between typical Democrats and Sanders are rather few and far between, but are on important issues such as Obamacare vs. single-payer, free college vs. debt free solutions, etc. and Sanders' views pick up a lot more with young people and certain Independents than with the party and its more moderate base. Even more stark are the differences between Trump and "establishment" or "typical" Republicans, which are on more issues and sometimes to greater degrees (although Trump is, smartly, shifting more toward the views he needs to capture even establishment Republicans).
Ultimately, we almost certainly will end up seeing a candidate or two who is simply too far from certain voters (small portions, especially on the Democrat side, but significant portions still) to get their vote.
I think we really need to question our de facto two-party system going forward and we may need to push for new parties to emerge or rise to greater prominence in order to adequately represent the views of our citizens. Bring the Green Party to the forefront to be the leading progressive wing of the liberal side of the spectrum a la Bernie Sanders (since Jill Stein is essentially a female version of him with few notable policy disagreements), separate the more radical wings of the Republican Party from the still very strong moderate population, establish an actual Tea Party for that movement, give some sorts of vehicles for key groups of independents or fringe party members to coalesce into legitimate entities, and reinforce the view of the Democratic Party as a progressive but more moderate and pragmatic entity than the Green Party.
Two parties just doesn't make sense now that the electorates are dividing and disagreeing in more substantial and significant ways. It's definitely not a huge issue for Sanders if he's nominated, since he lines up with Clinton on something like 95% of issues, but as the differences grow more significant in number and with regard to certain key issues, the parties will only fragment more in the coming years, and we're overdue for an overhaul. Bloomberg will very clearly exacerbate this problem this year if he runs, no matter which Dem is nominated. And to be fair in my assessment of all Dem possibilities, Hillary winning would put the Independent and youth votes at pretty great risk.
Rubio, Kasich, and Bush essentially splitting an NH vote that would have been essentially equal to the relatively radical Trump vote and only a couple times the entirely different Cruz vote shows that these problems are already beginning to tear one of the two big parties into pieces.
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Castro has a great res for both Bernie and Hillary
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And now that I'm thinking about this, the next three weeks are huge for the Democrats. If Hillary sweeps most of Super Tuesday, she'll essentially have the nomination on lock then and there. If she does poorly, you can bet your ass Michael Bloomberg will announce his official candidacy for the Presidency on March 2nd, and **** will get cray.
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Listening to a Castro interview. He sounds so much like Obama. 
I think Obama supporters will attract to that.
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Originally posted by J P O W
Julian Castro (former San Antonio mayor and now Secretary of Housing & Urban Development) seems to be the popular pick for Hillary.
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The US will not vote for a woman president with a Latino vice president.  This country has a long way to go. just let her get a basic white man to make middle America feel better. 
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I was wondering if Hillary wins the nomination and the GE, could she be called President Rodham instead? Just to give her own identity would be more appealing than using the Clinton name. Idk, I just thought it would be cool if she changed it to Rodham.
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 @ Retro. I have always thought the two-party system was a little limiting, and not very representive of majority of their supporters. How long do you think it will be before other political parties begin to emerge at the forefront along side the dems and repubs? Within our young lifetime I would say, so before any of us hits 50.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Listening to a Castro interview. He sounds so much like Obama.
I think Obama supporters will attract to that. |
I think so as well.
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Originally posted by Reza
The US will not vote for a woman president with a Latino vice president. This country has a long way to go. just let her get a basic white man to make middle America feel better. |
Why not?
In Southern states like Texas, a democrat grabbing all the latino votes is one of the only possible ways the state could ever turn blue. Nearly 20% of the US population now are latino too. Other states like Florida, Nevada, and Colorado have a heavy hispanic voting population that someone like Castro can influence into voting for them. Especially when 2/3 of the main Republican nominees are hispanic, that is an important thing for democrats to try and get.
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The US will not vote for a woman president with a Latino vice president. This country has a long way to go. just let her get a basic white man to make middle America feel better. |
Except that everyone loves Castro and the Republicans have proved that they're willing to vote for a Latino, but ok sis.
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I'm scared picking Castro will be perceived as pandering.
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Christie dropped out  Carson next please!
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Hillary needs a black VP otherwise she'll lose.
It's obvious that the AA vote is gonna be the deciding factor in both the Dem primary and the GE (in terms of turnout)
Castro will do nothing for her (he can't even speak Spanish for God's sake, LOL)
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Christie and Fiorina out, Carson next please
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On Thursday morning, the CBC’s leaders will appear at the Democratic National Committee to formally endorse Clinton for president, through the CBC political action committee. The group will then disburse its African-American lawmakers to states where black voters are crucial, particularly in South Carolina’s Democratic primary on Feb. 27.
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On the neutral list was Rep. James E. Clyburn (S.C.), the No. 3 House Democratic leader and the most prominent South Carolina Democrat, who has since then said he is considering backing a candidate and that candidate, he suggested, is likely to be Clinton.
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More than a dozen Mississippi legislative leaders announced their support for Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton.
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Famed civil rights lawyer Benjamin Crump has come out in support of Hillary Clinton.
Crump, who represented the families of both Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, is scheduled to campaign for Clinton in South Carolina shortly before this month’s primaries.
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“Crump will talk to South Carolina voters about what’s at stake in this election and Hillary Clinton’s strong record of fighting for families,” a Clinton aide told BuzzFeed. “He will highlight how Clinton is the only one who will stand up to the gun lobby, has a plan to reform our criminal justice system and understands the issues that keep families up at night.”
Crump’s endorsement comes days after the mothers of Martin, Eric Garner and Jordan Davis also came out in support of Clinton.
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Op-ed: State Rep. Stacey Abrams endorses Hillary Clinton for president
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Jackson Mayor Tony Yarber endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton Monday, saying she will push for issues important to urban centers, including smaller cities like Jackson.
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Those endorsements are coming through. Trayvon Martin's family have endorsed Hillary as well.
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Originally posted by Reza
The US will not vote for a woman president with a Latino vice president. This country has a long way to go. just let her get a basic white man to make middle America feel better. |
I feel like after 2008 we really can't say what the Us will or won't vote for. If we've already had a black president (two terms), and a female presumptive nominee, I doubt a latino VP would change anything Plus she's clearly trying to consolidate her hold on the hispanic vote (which I don't think is AS guaranteed to hold for her as the black vote). A latino running mate could hurt her in more conservative-leaning states, but I don't think she's the kind of candidate in a general who could count on converting any notable percentage of those kinds of people in the first place.
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Christie dropped out Carson next please! |
Amazing He really did use his campaign's last breath to punch Rubio 
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Hillary needs a black VP otherwise she'll lose.
It's obvious that the AA vote is gonna be the deciding factor in both the Dem primary and the GE (in terms of turnout)
Castro will do nothing for her (he can't even speak Spanish for God's sake, LOL)
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Can you elaborate on why you think this? The AA vote (especially that of the older and/or southern demographic) is pretty much a sure bet for her, it would seem she has to work harder to maintain her lead with and energize hispanics for her campaign.
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Carson isn't dropping out. He expects to win South Carolina. After that, he's done.
And I wouldn't count out Rubio. He could still come in 2nd (maybe even 1st) in SC.
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