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Kelly Rowland doesn't really have any fans on here, but Ciara does. They're too busy in her song threads to post in their Base thread. We only have this.
I never really had faith. What happens, happens.
I agree with everything, but I don't think those qualities in bold are necessary for a pop singer. Marketing is what managers, publicists, labels, etc. deal with and it's their job to make their clients visible and push them towards some direction. Britney has that and Beyonce had that with her father, but Nicole doesn't. And I hate making this is a race issue, but I'm not sure what direction she would be pushed towards and marketed as considering her ethnicity. She's not white and she's not black and not a Latina either so who does she appeal to in her own country? She's a southern girl, but most people won't consider her that. The best image they could push for someone like her is the "exotic sex siren" thing; I think that's the only angle they could exploit and it's exactly what was done in PCD. There were two white women, two sorta white women and a sorta black women with her so they could better appeal to a mainstream audience while Nicole did most of the work.
By the way, Nicole never said she wanted to be a "solo brand" in Behind the Music. She just said she wanted to be a pop star. I don't think she's interested in money so "brand" is misleading.
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Yeah okay brand was not the right word, I agree that managers are for that, but I guess a bit of knowledge and stuff wouldn't hurt.Music is basically a product nowaways and if you don't have the team that is able to carry the "business" around your career, then you are doomed.
That is why someone as Katy Perry was able to drag her Teenage Dream, era for so long and why Rihanna still strikes with her yearly releases, theit teams know what they need to do to get them the right threatment for their career.
I think you could be right that she is not easy marketable. But yeah it also shouldn't be impossible.
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Nicole doesn't look Romani at all. They're essentially South Asian nomads who mixed with European locals so Hannah Simone from New Girl would be more accurate.
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Whether she does or not does not matter. Make-up does WONDERS.
Besides, I don't think that they'd have to do much to get Nicole to fit the role. But what I was getting at in my original post is that it would be nice for her to land a starring role in a miniseries on a major television network (plus, she'd be able to immediately return to music since it's only a miniseries). I'm pretty sure that they could make it work though, and if not on television, then most definitely on Broadway.
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Yeah okay brand was not the right word, I agree that managers are for that, but I guess a bit of knowledge and stuff wouldn't hurt.Music is basically a product nowaways and if you don't have the team that is able to carry the "business" around your career, then you are doomed.
That is why someone as Katy Perry was able to drag her Teenage Dream, era for so long and why Rihanna still strikes with her yearly releases, theit teams know what they need to do to get them the right threatment for their career.
I think you could be right that she is not easy marketable. But yeah it also shouldn't be impossible.
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I don't think it's impossible either, but it's more difficult with her. Then there's also her age, her professional history (girl group breakups, X Factor USA), people doubting her talent, etc. All the odds seem to be against her.
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Whether she does or not does not matter. Make-up does WONDERS.
Besides, I don't think that they'd have to do much to get Nicole to fit the role. But what I was getting at in my original post is that it would be nice for her to land a starring role in a miniseries on a major television network (plus, she'd be able to immediately return to music since it's only a miniseries). I'm pretty sure that they could make it work though, and if not on television, then most definitely on Broadway. |
Nicole Kidman is still white and looks white in that movie. Changing an actor's look to appear as another ethnicity is more difficult and I don't think it's necessary when there are actual actors who fit the role. That said, it's Hollywood and most Americans don't even know what Romani people look like anyway. Look at Borat versus what a real Kazakh looks like. 
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I don't think it's impossible either, but it's more difficult with her. Then there's also her age, her professional history (girl group breakups, X Factor USA), people doubting her talent, etc. All the odds seem to be against her.
Nicole Kidman is still white and looks white in that movie. Changing an actor's look to appear as another ethnicity is more difficult and I don't think it's necessary when there are actual actors who fit the role. That said, it's Hollywood and most Americans don't even know what Romani people look like anyway. Look at Borat versus what a real Kazakh looks like.
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'XF USA' and people doubting her talent shouldn't be much of an issue. 'XF USA' should be the least of one's issues. How many stars have been through worse than voting off a contestant who may or may not have deserved to stay in the competition? And I'm not going to name any names, but how many stars today lack vocal talent, or talent, in general (and are close to Nicole's age). It's just a funky industry.
And I understand exactly what you are saying. But Nicole Kidman still looks different, lol...perhaps I did not provide the best example, but makeup does wonders, and I still stand by what I've said. If they needed to make it work, then it could work. A combination of makeup, lighting direction, shooting from the right angles...something tells me that it is possible  Anyway, I've only brought it up because it'd be great to see Nicole tackle a leading role on what is to obviously become a highly anticipated miniseries on a major TV network!
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Despite everything that's been said, I think she can still bag at least two hits under her belt.
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'XF USA' and people doubting her talent shouldn't be much of an issue. 'XF USA' should be the least of one's issues. How many stars have been through worse than voting off a contestant who may or may not have deserved to stay in the competition? And I'm not going to name any names, but how many stars today lack vocal talent, or talent, in general (and are close to Nicole's age). It's just a funky industry.
And I understand exactly what you are saying. But Nicole Kidman still looks different, lol...perhaps I did not provide the best example, but makeup does wonders, and I still stand by what I've said. If they needed to make it work, then it could work. A combination of makeup, lighting direction, shooting from the right angles...something tells me that it is possible Anyway, I've only brought it up because it'd be great to see Nicole tackle a leading role on what is to obviously become a highly anticipated miniseries on a major TV network! |
They shouldn't be much of an issue, but they are. The Rachel Crowe incident is the only thing Americans that know of Nicole Scherzinger remember about her other than PCD. As for there being other stars that gone through worse things and lacking talent, what's your point? We're talking about what holds Nicole back here and those things have heavily influenced American perception of her.
They won't see a need to make it work. Again, the Borat example or Naveen Andrews playing an an Arab man on Lost, etc. Anyway it's not like Nicole would get cast in the first place.
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Nabeen Andrews/ LOST 
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I used to like the show a lot in the beginning and then stopped watching it.
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Im so tired -.-' quiet like always..
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Oh hi Boomerangs
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Oh hi Boomerangs
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You're back? Good to hear.
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Oh hi Boomerangs
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Did you ask for a ban again?
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They shouldn't be much of an issue, but they are. The Rachel Crowe incident is the only thing Americans that know of Nicole Scherzinger remember about her other than PCD. As for there being other stars that gone through worse things and lacking talent, what's your point? We're talking about what holds Nicole back here and those things have heavily influenced American perception of her.
They won't see a need to make it work. Again, the Borat example or Naveen Andrews playing an an Arab man on Lost, etc. Anyway it's not like Nicole would get cast in the first place.
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I know what we are talking about My point is that the aforementioned factors are pretty trivial, and if other celebrities can survive similar situations and/or worse, then I don't see how Nicole's career would stall as a result of a talent show mishap, or people doubting her talent. Besides, she was able to redeem herself from the Rachel Crowe controversy the following week with her critically acclaimed performances of "Pretty" and "The Phantom of the Opera." In my opinion, there has to be more to it than what was previously mentioned.
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I know what we are talking about My point is that the aforementioned factors are pretty trivial, and if other celebrities can survive similar situations and/or worse, then I don't see how Nicole's career would stall as a result of a talent show mishap, or people doubting her talent. Besides, she was able to redeem herself from the Rachel Crowe controversy the following week with her critically acclaimed performances of "Pretty" and "The Phantom of the Opera." In my opinion, there has to be more to it than what was previously mentioned. |
I think you're living in a stan bubble. Most people didn't think much of the "Pretty" performance (or even remember it) and no one irl knows of the "Phantom" performance so those are weak arguments. Did you really think that all those people trashing Nicole that night went out of their way watch her Royal Variety performance on Youtube and suddenly liked her? The Rachel Crowe incident was definitely significant for someone like Nicole who was barely visible in the American public then (and invisible now). It didn't stall Nicole's career because she didn't have a career stateside in the first place; it just made it worse. You mentioned other celebs surviving similar/worse situations, but I can't think of any that were in similar position as Nicole. They already had solo careers, were popular at one point and were able to make comebacks. Nicole never even had the first two.
I definitely believe the American public's perception of her lacking talent has played a big part in her career; no one really takes her seriously music-wise and she's not Miley, Rihanna or Britney where she can get away with lacking talent using gimmicks, past achievements, publicity stunts etc. The only other issue with her is her ethnicity and age (maybe even her surname). No one finds anything interesting about her alone except that she's sexy and "exotic," but there are plenty of other women who fit the bill. If there's more it, what is it? Nicole isn't lacking talent, good materials, promo opportunities, etc. There isn't anything else. People don't connect with her because of those things and love to undermine her (when they even give her a thought).
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I think you're living in a stan bubble. Most people didn't think much of the "Pretty" performance (or even remember it) and no one irl knows of the "Phantom" performance so those are weak arguments. Did you really think that all those people trashing Nicole that night went out of their way watch her Royal Variety performance on Youtube and suddenly liked her? The Rachel Crowe incident was definitely significant for someone like Nicole who was barely visible in the American public then (and invisible now). It didn't stall Nicole's career because she didn't have a career stateside in the first place; it just made it worse. You mentioned other celebs surviving similar/worse situations, but I can't think of any that were in similar position as Nicole. They already had solo careers, were popular at one point and were able to make comebacks. Nicole never even had the first two.
I definitely believe the American public's perception of her lacking talent has played a big part in her career; no one really takes her seriously music-wise and she's not Miley, Rihanna or Britney where she can get away with lacking talent using gimmicks, past achievements, publicity stunts etc. The only other issue with her is her ethnicity and age (maybe even her surname). No one finds anything interesting about her alone except that she's sexy and "exotic," but there are plenty of other women who fit the bill. If there's more it, what is it? Nicole isn't lacking talent, good materials, promo opportunities, etc. There isn't anything else. People don't connect with her because of those things and love to undermine her (when they even give her a thought).
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I have to agree, just look at twitter what people from the US have to say about her Herbal commercial, things like "why is that p*ssy cat wh*re moaning in a plane..?' and stuff like that. Nicole has damaged herself so much in the US. With Right There she had a bit of potential, but honestly that was more of the bandwagon sound, rather than actual people caring about her.
Like Inverted said, her age will work against her at this point. People like JLO can have easier bounce backs since they have a discography to fall back on (and JLO is latina). The only thing Nicole can fall back on is her PCD discography, but that is basically the thing she wants to seperate herself from to some extend. Add to that that she and her team are horrible in taking the right descisions and you have the perfect recipe for a failing career. Every descision she has taken solo wise in the United States, have crushed her profile.
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I think you're living in a stan bubble. Most people didn't think much of the "Pretty" performance (or even remember it) and no one irl knows of the "Phantom" performance so those are weak arguments. Did you really think that all those people trashing Nicole that night went out of their way watch her Royal Variety performance on Youtube and suddenly liked her? The Rachel Crowe incident was definitely significant for someone like Nicole who was barely visible in the American public then (and invisible now). It didn't stall Nicole's career because she didn't have a career stateside in the first place; it just made it worse. You mentioned other celebs surviving similar/worse situations, but I can't think of any that were in similar position as Nicole. They already had solo careers, were popular at one point and were able to make comebacks. Nicole never even had the first two.
I definitely believe the American public's perception of her lacking talent has played a big part in her career; no one really takes her seriously music-wise and she's not Miley, Rihanna or Britney where she can get away with lacking talent using gimmicks, past achievements, publicity stunts etc. The only other issue with her is her ethnicity and age (maybe even her surname). No one finds anything interesting about her alone except that she's sexy and "exotic," but there are plenty of other women who fit the bill. If there's more it, what is it? Nicole isn't lacking talent, good materials, promo opportunities, etc. There isn't anything else. People don't connect with her because of those things and love to undermine her (when they even give her a thought).
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The tea in this post  .. I ain't worthy.... I co-sign with everything, especially those I put in bold.. Killer Love is better than some albums that sold more.. Its not groundbreaking, but enough to sell moderate numbers WW..
Yes, though I prefer her urban sound more, she still under performed with WUL and BL.. Those are as urban as they come..
At this point, Nicole can bring an amazing record, but unfortunately, its gonna underperform.. I saw with DHYB in US.. That song alone should've went #1 without promo on US iTunes.. Oh well.
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Thanks Prune juice 
I did Inverted It was meant for forever but I made a promise for a friend but then I left. I don't like to break promises so she contacted me to ask if I was still being a judge (I get to be Nicole Scherzinger) in her game. So I had to come back just to finish what I owe.......I'll be gone (and still stanning for Nicole) off ATRL after it's finished
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I have to agree, just look at twitter what people from the US have to say about her Herbal commercial, things like "why is that p*ssy cat wh*re moaning in a plane..?' and stuff like that. Nicole has damaged herself so much in the US. With Right There she had a bit of potential, but honestly that was more of the bandwagon sound, rather than actual people caring about her.
Like Inverted said, her age will work against her at this point. People like JLO can have easier bounce backs since they have a discography to fall back on (and JLO is latina). The only thing Nicole can fall back on is her PCD discography, but that is basically the thing she wants to seperate herself from to some extend. Add to that that she and her team are horrible in taking the right descisions and you have the perfect recipe for a failing career. Every descision she has taken solo wise in the United States, have crushed her profile.
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The tea in this post .. I ain't worthy.... I co-sign with everything, especially those I put in bold.. Killer Love is better than some albums that sold more.. Its not groundbreaking, but enough to sell moderate numbers WW..
Yes, though I prefer her urban sound more, she still under performed with WUL and BL.. Those are as urban as they come..
At this point, Nicole can bring an amazing record, but unfortunately, its gonna underperform.. I saw with DHYB in US.. That song alone should've went #1 without promo on US iTunes.. Oh well. |
Exactly. Her material is fine. "DHYB" was a good song and if Rihanna sang "Right There," it would have been huge. People just aren't here for Nicole.
As for management, her DWTS win was a good enough spring board, but that was wasted. I think a PCD reunion is the only hope Nicole has at this point.
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Thanks Prune juice
I did Inverted It was meant for forever but I made a promise for a friend but then I left. I don't like to break promises so she contacted me to ask if I was still being a judge (I get to be Nicole Scherzinger) in her game. So I had to come back just to finish what I owe.......I'll be gone (and still stanning for Nicole) off ATRL after it's finished
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Is ATRL really affecting your school or personal life?
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she is back in the studio
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