[Mike91]

Originally posted by ClarksonSlays

Wait? Has it already started?

Started at midnight.

[Temporal]

Originally posted by Mike91

Started at midnight.

Oh ****.

[Mike91]

Originally posted by King Maxx

I'm looking forward to South Carolina. Now that should be fun to see.

Ready for the Bernie supporters to squirm.

If Bernie crushes her in NH, the momentum could shift a lot in regards to SC. You can't take these polls seriously right now. They're highly inaccurate.

[Retro]

Yeah, some precincts started voting at midnight there.

Hoping her six superdelegates (our of 32 total) help her snatch a delegate-based tie there or something.

Or, of course, that she wins, but I also hope every morning that I wake up as Beyonce and the chances are about equal.

[St. Charles]

When does it end?

[Retro]

Originally posted by Mike91

If Bernie crushes her in NH, the momentum could shift a lot in regards to SC. You can't take these polls seriously right now. They're highly inaccurate.

I don't think you can characterize the polls of a state that votes within the month as highly inaccurate. An NH win isn't going to help Bernie as much as you'd seem to think when it's been known since basically August that he had the upper hand there, and it's certainly not going to close a thirty point gap.

Unless she loses NH by 15+ (that is, worse than the polls project right now, 14), the race will not significantly change, and she'll likely retain SC and her so-called Super Tuesday firewall.

[Moonchild]

Originally posted by St. Charles

When does it end?

8pm EST, or about 19 hours from now.

[Benzene]

Voters, especially black voters in SC don't give a good goddamn about NH. Depending on the tenor of the media there may be a boost in national polls but I wouldn't expect anything else.

[Retro]

It ends at 7 CST? ****, I'm not ready for today then

[St. Charles]

Oh well. I'm not really paying attention to any of this until Super Tuesday. I don't want to stress myself out. It's just 22 days away.

[Moonchild]

Originally posted by Retro

It ends at 7 CST? ****, I'm not ready for today then

Right?

[Retro]

I'm still mentally recovering from how close Iowa was and my schedule is insanely busy this week, and we could have the NH results by dinner.

[Mike91]

Originally posted by Retro

I don't think you can characterize the polls of a state that votes within the month as highly inaccurate. An NH win isn't going to help Bernie as much as you'd seem to think when it's been known since basically August that he had the upper hand there, and it's certainly not going to close a thirty point gap.

Unless she loses NH by 15+ (that is, worse than the polls project right now, 14), the race will not significantly change, and she'll likely retain SC and her so-called Super Tuesday firewall.

Well "highly inaccurate" might be an overstatement but they're definitely not the "be all, end all" when it comes to how these things work. It's a relatively well known fact that primary polls shouldn't be taken for granted.

Things change really quickly everyday during primary season.

[Benzene]

Dem NH race is a bore, but it's actually somewhat interesting on the GOP side. Where will Marco "off-brand Obama" Rubio finish?

[Benzene]

Originally posted by Mike91

Well "highly inaccurate" might be an overstatement but they're definitely not the "be all, end all" when it comes to how these things work. It's a relatively well known fact that primary polls shouldn't be taken for granted.

Things change really quickly everyday during primary season.

Quickly enough to shift a 30 point deficit? Doubtful.

[Mike91]

Originally posted by Benzene

Quickly enough to shift a 30 point deficit? Doubtful.

Enough to close in on it. You know the same thing Hillary supporters say about her closing in on him in NH...

[Benzene]

Originally posted by Mike91

Enough to close in on it. You know the same thing Hillary supporters say about her closing in on him in NH...

NH is a notoriously volatile state due to the high number of undecideds (though for the record I expect an easy Sanders win). Not the case in SC.

[Damien M]

Originally posted by Benzene

Bernie's black outreach strategy is also shockingly poor. Cornel "******ized President" West? What a mess.

Death I actually agree with what Cornel said about Obama, it's what a lot of people think but don't have the guts to say (don't kill me) but yeah, I get what you mean.

I think the whole BLM grab-mic fiasco did him in for good

[Moonchild]

Nevada (Feb. 20th) will be more interesting than NH. SC (Feb 27th) is very likely to be a Hillary win three days before Super Tuesday (March 1st), which has a slew of Southern states--Hillary's predicted "firewall." It will be interesting to see how Bernie moves forward after Super Tuesday if it goes as predicted.

[Benzene]

Originally posted by Damien M

Death I actually agree with what Cornel said about Obama, it's what a lot of people think but don't have the guts to say (don't kill me) but yeah, I get what you mean.

I think the whole BLM grab-mic fiasco did him in for good

Criticizing Obama over policy is fine, but Cornel was just asshurt that he wasn't included in Obama's inner circle. But regardless of how I or you feel about Obama, he remains incredibly popular among black voters overall and distancing himself from him (even by proxy) is not helpful to Bernie.

Though ultimately, endorsements don't mean much. I also think the influence of BLM is overstated. Clinton will win the black vote because Sanders is a Johnny come lately---can't just pop up on the radar of black folks after 25 whole years in Congress when you need a vote (and nobody gives a **** about marching with MLK in 1800...some Bernsters act like he was ready to take the damn bullet for him just because he was in the general vicinity ). Clinton is no saint but the Clintons have been around the block, they're the devils black folks know.

Bernie's best hope is that black voters stay home altogether, which is honestly not totally out of the question.