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Celeb News: LaPorsha disagrees w/ Gay People's Lifestyle (American Idol)
Member Since: 8/28/2012
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Originally posted by Starburst
But you would still be gay regardless if you chose a gay "lifestyle" or not. Those feelings don't go away and having attraction towards the same gender shouldn't be categorized as something someone actively chooses to participate in. For many of us, it's not something we can decide and being able to actually live our lives as gay people is kind of important and not something to demean or reduce to a choice. There's already so much shame associated with being gay her statement is ignorant and "accepting" it just allows this type of thinking to perpetuate.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you.
But no one should have to accept you. White males don't asked to be accepted, and neither should anyone else. However, what we should all aim for is to be respected and respect other people's differences. Because no matter who you are, we all demand respect. And I think she delivered that despite not using the best semantics.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
But no one should have to accept you. White males don't asked to be accepted, and neither should anyone else. However, what we should all aim for is to be respected and respect other people's differences. Because no matter who you are, we all demand respect. And I think she delivered that despite not using the best semantics.
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Slight difference between me expecting someone to accept me and someone getting a public platform to spew ignorance.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
But no one should have to accept you. White males don't asked to be accepted, and neither should anyone else. However, what we should all aim for is to be respected and respect other people's differences. Because no matter who you are, we all demand respect. And I think she delivered that despite not using the best semantics.
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She doesn't respect gays if she thinks it's a "lifestyle". It's not a ****ing lifestyle, it's who we innately are. There isn't a black lifestyle. There isn't a white lifestyle. There isn't a redhead lifestyle. There isn't a brown eyes lifestyle. There isn't a tan skin lifestyle. Why should there be a gay lifestyle?
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She's just trying to save fave but she's had enough having that name so I'll leave it there.
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Member Since: 6/15/2010
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Well in that case, by "lifestyle", she meant the sexual and romantic implications of a relationship between two persons of the same gender. I'm PRETTY SURE she didn't mean "going out to gay clubs" or any other gay stereotypical nonsense ya'll are thinking.
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Right so what other alternative "lifestyles" are there for gay people? Celibacy?
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Member Since: 5/17/2009
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Originally posted by Snoopy
you deleted your post to get it on the new page? Sit the **** down.
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And?
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Originally posted by Latinazza
Interesting how the two of you often express a clear dislike for gay people, yet you seem to break a heel anytime that you see a gay related thread.
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You must have me confused with someone else. I hardy go to gay related threads.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Mhs90
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
But no one should have to accept you. White males don't asked to be accepted, and neither should anyone else. However, what we should all aim for is to be respected and respect other people's differences. Because no matter who you are, we all demand respect. And I think she delivered that despite not using the best semantics.
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We should all accept each other for who we are, unless you're a crazed rapist, paedophile, murderer and/or are clearly immoral. Otherwise, we are all just human beings with the same struggles. If people didn't want to be accepted, we wouldn't still be fighting for our right to be ourselves in society.
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Originally posted by jonasha
She doesn't respect gays if she thinks it's a "lifestyle". It's not a ****ing lifestyle, it's who we innately are. There isn't a black lifestyle. There isn't a white lifestyle. There isn't a redhead lifestyle. There isn't a brown eyes lifestyle. There isn't a tan skin lifestyle. Why should there be a gay lifestyle?
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Not sure how many times I can verbalize what she meant by "lifestyle". Lol
Being gay is an identity. Actions that are homosexual in nature (romantic and sexual relations with a person of the same sex) are lifestyle choices because they are consciously made. Sorry if that sounds unusual, but one can be gay without having to live the gay lifestyle. There's many out there who want to stay in the closet and are completely happy staying in there.
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Originally posted by Starburst
Slight difference between me expecting someone to accept me and someone getting a public platform to spew ignorance.
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She's not spewing ignorance 
She has the right to not support gay marriage or whatever. She said she respects and coexists with gay people and that's completely fine. Don't be mad at someone for not having the same beliefs as you. All we should ask from people is respect and the opportunity to live however makes us happiest and she's all for that. She can accept us for who we are without having to fight for our every belief
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Read my post above.  |
I did, and I already addressed that point in my post. You said that choosing a lifestyle partner is a conscious choice and that therefore she has the right to disagree with that. And as I said in my post, what that basically means is that she disagrees that gay people should have the right and freedom to pursue their choice of sexual/romantic partners even though every straight person is naturally given that freedom. If she chooses to disagree with that, then she should obviously be criticized for that just like anybody would be criticized for thinking that people should be denied their basic human rights because of something they can't change.
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It is 2016, bish.
I'm glad she lost.
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Originally posted by Snoopy
We should all accept each other for who we are, unless you're a crazed rapist, paedophile, murderer and/or are clearly immoral. Otherwise, we are all just human beings with the same struggles. If people didn't want to be accepted, we wouldn't still be fighting for our right to be ourselves in society.
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Haha, OBVIOUSLY. If someone's religious beliefs tells them to rape little girls, that's immoral and not to be accepted, tolerated, respected, or anything :laughs:
Crying to be accepted won't get you anywhere. But being aware that other people's beliefs (wrong and right ones) are so ingrained in their mentality that you can't change everyone. But what you can do is fight for your basic rights such as marriage because those are lifestyle choices that should be granted to everyone regardless of their sexual orientation/identity.
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Originally posted by shelven
I did, and I already addressed that point in my post. You said that choosing a lifestyle partner is a conscious choice and that therefore she has the right to disagree with that. And as I said in my post, what that basically means is that she disagrees that gay people should have the right and freedom to pursue their choice of sexual/romantic partners even though every straight person is naturally given that freedom. If she chooses to disagree with that, then she should obviously be criticized for that just like anybody would be criticized for thinking that people should be denied their basic human rights because of something they can't change.
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Spending sexual and romantic homosexual relations are a human right and a lifestyle choice. Every person needs to respect and tolerate that, but you don't have to agree with it if your religion contraindicates it. As long as they don't cause any harm but treat everybody with respect and dignity, why would I care if so-and-so doesn't like my lifestyle? I could give a rat's ass.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Not sure how many times I can verbalize what she meant by "lifestyle". Lol
Being gay is an identity. Actions that are homosexual in nature (romantic and sexual relations with a person of the same sex) are lifestyle choices because they are consciously made. Sorry if that sounds unusual, but one can be gay without having to live the gay lifestyle. There's many out there who want to stay in the closet and are completely happy staying in there.
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So would you characterize a man and woman having romantic relations a conscious choice or one fueled by biological needs and desires?
Anyone who has to hide their innate biological attraction is not happy. Quit fooling yourself.
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https://www.coexist.org/
There's a reason why their brand name is "COEXIST". To coexist, you have to understand how other people live and lead their lives differently while simultaneously agreeing to disagree even if that lifestyle is a basic human right.
Being a Muslim is a basic right to me, and somebody can disagree and deny it but can do so without causing bodily or emotional harm, treating me with respect as a human being, and saying they follow a different religion, belief, or lack of any.
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Originally posted by jonasha
So would you characterize a man and woman having romantic relations a conscious choice or one fueled by biological needs and desires?
Anyone who has to hide their innate biological attraction is not happy. Quit fooling yourself.
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Your minset is a drop in a sea full of diverse mentalities. Don't be egoistic and think your views on what makes a gay, bisexual, or bicurious man happy are truth. Narrow mindedness is not an attractive or intelligent trait.
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Who cares she lost moving on.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Spending sexual and romantic homosexual relations are a human right and a lifestyle choice. Every person needs to respect and tolerate that, but you don't have to agree with it if your religion contraindicates it. As long as they don't cause any harm but treat everybody with respect and dignity, why would I care if so-and-so doesn't like my lifestyle? I could give a rat's ass.
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You don't necessarily need to care from a micro perspective, but it's a bigger deal than you're making it out to be from a macro perspective. She's perpetuating the belief that having sexual and romantic relationships with the same gender is a "lifestyle", and that undeniably lessens the importance of making sure it's protected. If people just think it's a way you choose to live your life, it's not as big of a deal for it to be accepted as opposed to if it's an unchangeable, non-chosen human instinct.
And you keep insisting that there's this clear division between being gay and choosing to be in gay relationships. I'd argue that those are basically the same thing given that the pursuance of sexual and romantic partners is an extremely basic human drive. As jonasha said, it's rooted in biology and therefore equating it to any other "lifestyle" choice is an incorrect oversimplification.
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by Mhs90
https://www.coexist.org/
There's a reason why their brand name is "COEXIST". To coexist, you have to understand how other people live and lead their lives differently while simultaneously agreeing to disagree even if that lifestyle is a basic human right.
Being a Muslim is a basic right to me, and somebody can disagree and deny it but can do so without causing bodily or emotional harm, treating me with respect as a human being, and saying they follow a different religion, belief, or lack of any.
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Okay, no one is causing LaPorsha harm by not supporting her or criticizing her remarks but she definitely did not take the time to understand how gay people live their life, which is not a set lifestyle. To deny someone the right to romance with someone they love (with consent on both sides) is a huge disservice to life's foundations.
I have never condemned or "disagree" with LaPorsha's romantic choices, so why should she?
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Well she was really respectful I guess
I respectfully have to ask her what lifestyle she's talking about? We go to school, eat dinner, take the dog out, etc. We're normal people. Yeah we like the same sex but how does that change our lifestyle? Ugh,she's young. I am sure she'll reconsider her position.
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