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Why do people deny Janet is a legend?
Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Chimier
You guys need to get over your self-importance.
"She's not a legend because EYE don't hear about her where I live"
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Is this self-importance or honest questioning? If she isn't considered important in one's own culture, what exactly would lend one the impression she's a "legend"? If she lacks cultural capital, where exactly is one to learn about her "legacy"?
If she's considered a second-rate oldies popstar in Ireland, or "Michael's sister", what betrays her impact or status elsewhere? As I said earlier, I had to do my own work and I was surprised when I learned how important she was in an American context, particularly for black women in popular music.
I recognise her legacy personally, but if I suggested to... well, anyone here... that she was "one of the greatest legends" I'd get some strange looks.
It would serve you well to consider the perspective of those from cultures other than your own, as I did. I mean, I don't question Madonna's lack of status in say, Africa (as Lately1814 likes to remind us in every thread he's provided the opportunity to). 
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Pristine
This is the same forum where 'Britney Jean Appreciation' threads are started. One can only take it so seriously.
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She's a legend. She's the prototype for many girls out today and they wouldn't be here without her. The level of delusion in this thread... 
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Member Since: 3/11/2011
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
Is this self-importance or honest questioning? If she isn't considered important in one's own culture, what exactly would lend one the impression she's a "legend"? If she lacks cultural capital, where exactly is one to learn about her "legacy"?
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It's self-importance. When you have the tools at your disposal to research and choose not to, or you do, and still deny, it's self-importance.
Lacks cultural capital? She's referenced in popular culture ALL the time. And if you haven't come across a lot of popular culture Janet references, that simply means you haven't come across them, not that she's lacking.
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
If she's considered a second-rate oldies popstar in Ireland, or "Michael's sister", what betrays her impact or status elsewhere? As I said earlier, I had to do my own work and I was surprised when I learned how important she was in an American context, particularly for black women in popular music.
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Considered by whom? Which poll or census do you guys take to find these things out? Is she considered that in Ireland or by SOME people you've come across who live in/are from Ireland? Because that's not the same thing at all.
Janet is important in a WORLDWIDE context. She introduced a new sound to popular music (EVERYWHERE) with New Jack Swing. Her performance presentation influenced artists on a WORLDWIDE scale.
You guys, whether you admit it or not, only say such nonsense because she hasn't sold as much as Mariah, Madonna, Whitney or whoever, hence the "I never heard..." or "she has no classics here..." etc. If she had another 50 million to her sales, none of these conversations would be happening.
What y'all don't understand is that you don't have to necessarily buy a person's records to be influenced by them. People can listen (and did listen) to songs on the radio and get influenced by an artist, or watch live performances. And with Janet being a performer, that's very essential.
For example, many Asian artists are very inspired by Janet and her performing. Is she one of the best-selling foreign artists there on par with Mariah? No.
What if Artist A directly influences Artists B-G and Artists B-G end up being more popular in certain parts of the world and influence artists in those areas? Is that not spreading the influence of Artist A on a worldwide scale? SURE is.
Sales have to do with a specific kind of popularity: CHART popularity. Were these songs/was this album promoted or presented in such a way that make me wanna go out and buy them/it? Do they catch my eye and ear? That's really all sales boil down to. Not influence.
Celine Dion is 2nd only to Madonna in sales and she in no way has had the influence on music or pop culture than Janet has, regardless of her 569840503948304959 album sales.
Y'all wanna talk about "context", but can never seem to discuss anything IN its correct context.
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
I recognise her legacy personally, but if I suggested to... well, anyone here... that she was "one of the greatest legends" I'd get some strange looks.
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That doesn't matter, nor does is it relevant to the topic at hand.
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
It would serve you well to consider the perspective of those from cultures other than your own, as I did. I mean, I don't question Madonna's lack of status in say, Africa (as Lately1814 likes to remind us in every thread he's provided the opportunity to). |
Oh please stop. That doesn't wash at all. Being unaware of an artist's influence due to difference in culture has no bearing on the artist's status. It simply means you don't know.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
Is this self-importance or honest questioning? If she isn't considered important in one's own culture, what exactly would lend one the impression she's a "legend"? If she lacks cultural capital, where exactly is one to learn about her "legacy"?
If she's considered a second-rate oldies popstar in Ireland, or "Michael's sister", what betrays her impact or status elsewhere? As I said earlier, I had to do my own work and I was surprised when I learned how important she was in an American context, particularly for black women in popular music.
I recognise her legacy personally, but if I suggested to... well, anyone here... that she was "one of the greatest legends" I'd get some strange looks.
It would serve you well to consider the perspective of those from cultures other than your own, as I did. I mean, I don't question Madonna's lack of status in say, Africa (as Lately1814 likes to remind us in every thread he's provided the opportunity to). |
It's ironic considering the Janet stans always RUSH to call someone local and then when you bring up Janet's lack of popularity in certain markets, suddenly you're delusional.
I hope I see them rallying behind Ayumi Hamasaki and Hibari Misora the next time ATRL tries to discredit their legacies because they're "local." 
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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Her legacy boasts some of the biggest "artists" of this generation. Sales don't define a legend. That's just an added bonus. Actual impact and influence..longevity..doing something revolutionary to the art of music. Janet has done this a long time ago. Now she's benefitting from her contributions from a RRHOF nomination to critical acclaim of her newest album. 40+ years in the entertainment industry and still making history. Stop looking stupid and start looking to the tools that She helped introduce to the world: YouTube for example.
Her legacy is among the best in the biz. That includes MJ, Madonna etc. An important figure in the progression of pop music and culture.
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Member Since: 3/11/2011
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Originally posted by Eternium
It's ironic considering the Janet stans always RUSH to call someone local and then when you bring up Janet's lack of popularity in certain markets, suddenly you're delusional.
I hope I see them rallying behind Ayumi Hamasaki and Hibari Misora the next time ATRL tries to discredit their legacies because they're "local." |
Wow. All this time and you still haven't figured out that when Janet stans are calling someone local, it's not because they're being serious, but because they're mocking Y'ALL.
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Member Since: 10/18/2010
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The reason for her denial is because she was always seen as the younger sister of Michael Jackson, who was already a global icon when she debuted, and hardly as her own person. Thing is, though, without Janet, Michael's legacy would've been tarnished beyond repair as well, but people tend to let that go since it worked out and there's little evidence that points it out as such. That being said, denying her being a legend is a crime in itself, because all the pop artists nowadays who still cling to their dancing roots name either Michael or Janet as their inspiration. Britney, Mariah, Justin Timberlake, Bruno Mars, Adam Levine, Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Jennifer Lopez, Shakira, BoA, Cheryl, Lee Hyori, Girls' Generation, Wonder Girls, etc. have all in one way or the other been influenced and have admitted to being influenced by Janet Jackson in some form. So, to say she is not a global icon is fair, she's a global icon to a lot of your global icons, and is partially responsible for them being big superstars today… Say she's not a legend; without her, some of your favorite artists that you consider budding legends wouldn't be who they are today…
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Before 3 months beside that she is Michael's sister, "Scream" & I knew "Together Again" melody (but didn't know that she is singing it) I didn't know anything about her (not even SB fiasco). But she was never THAT big in Europe and her legacy was ruined with Super Bowl so I guess that's the reason.
In comparison to other legends, she's behind them tbh.
But thank God, I discovered her music and I'm blessed at the moment. 
And her influence/impact on today's mostly female artists is undeniable big! I mean Britney was influenced by her in almost every MV she made.
Why people care so much about these stuff 
Not every artist on this planet can have the same success and status like Madonna/MJ have. Especially, if you are younger sister of MJ...
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by BlazingLovatic
Because she isn't globally known.
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This comboed with the superbowl performance destroying her U.S. relevancy and impact. You can have legend status revoked if the media completely blacks you out
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Member Since: 4/9/2012
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She is a legend and she did influence pop music and videos in a very powerful way as anyone who remembered her in her peak would attest to. So many people here are ignorant of music history, you really should not waste your time. Unfortunately, Janet will always suffer the little-sibling syndrome because of who her brother is. If she was not a Jackson, she would be perceived as much more successful but her success is always measured to Michael's which is kinda unfair because he was an impossible standard to beat, and even then she was coming for his neck a bit too in the 90s. She will always be compared to him unfortunately which sucks because she was the only Jackson sibling to successfully burst from under his huge shadow.
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Member Since: 2/6/2014
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ATRL is the only place where i've seen so many people disagree on her being a legend. 
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Member Since: 6/5/2009
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--- Either wasn't born or too young to remember the golden era of her career.
--- She hasn't been much of a media presence in the last few years so it's harder for a certain generation to really know and become familiar with her. Same can be said for Madonna or Mariah but not to the same extent. They've been bigger media presences.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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i honestly know her. i just couldn't pick out a song of hers other than nasty tbh
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Because she's not a legend.
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Member Since: 12/30/2010
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Because she's not and will never be one. 
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by musicman101
Her discography has no longevity.... I was just saying in another thread how I literally did not know a single Janet Jackson song until I joined this forum and did my research so I didn't look ignorant. No radio stations play her music, albeit maybe because of the Super Bowl fiasco, but that has really hurt her "legend status" because I can guarantee you almost nobody from this generation knows who she is or at least, they know her as "Michael's sister".
Other legends so to speak such as Michael Jackson, Madonna, Stevie Wonder, The Beatles, Elvis, etc. have very classic and recognizable songs. Janet Jackson doesn't REALLY have any "classics".
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GURL WAT.
All For You, Nasty, Pleasure Principle and Rhythm Nation are all stone cold classics, especially Rhythm Nation which spawned one of the most iconic music videos of all time.
Have several seats please and thank you.
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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She is a legend /endthread
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Member Since: 4/28/2012
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Originally posted by Chimier
You guys need to get over your self-importance.
"She's not a legend because EYE have never heard one song of hers"
"She isn't a legend because EYE only knew about her when I came on ATRL"
"She's not a legend because EYE don't hear about her where I live"
Yawn. Change the record. You don't know/didn't hear because YOU don't know/didn't here. Your lack of knowledge has no effect or bearing on Janet's influence and legacy or the history she made.
She's a legend. One of the greatest ever. Just say "I was born in 1996, all I know is Britney" and move on.
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"EYE" sis..why? 
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Originally posted by AxelFox
She's as legendary as Michelle Williams...
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Get ouT!
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Originally posted by dessy
This thread. Apperently Britney can be considered legend on ATRL but not Janet, her inspiration?
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This is how I feel about it. It makes me feel very uncomfortable when I see peoples saying this when Brit is a carbon copy of past acts, 75% or even more being Janet.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Atrl likes to discredit everyone though. It's not personal against Janet. People write some stupid things on atrl. It happens.
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