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Discussion: Is the Beyonce praise becoming a cliche??
Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
OK. No. Her being romantically linked to Jay was something SHE used to keep her name out there, so let's not. And unlike others who denounced those rumors when they were involved, she said nothing. Her and her team road those rumors because SHE wanted the press and attention. Rihanna's hasn't faced half of the crap Bey has had to endure from the media. So bringing up something that happened to your fave like 10 years ago is meaningless.
And if Rihanna is rumored to be sleeping with some guy every other month that's on her. Her being industry puss is not discussed on CNN, Fox News, etc. You can keep the blog stories. Bey actually makes international and national news for all the BS talked about her.
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Lies. SHE didn't use that rumor. That's like saying Beyonce started the fake divorce rumors to garner support for the OTR tour. You can't always control SOME in your camp's mouths. YET the Hive likes to think Rihanna herself put that out. Does Beyonce denounce any of the MANY rumors surrounding her? Than why should Rihanna? Ten years ago or three--technically about the same age as Blue which makes that pregnancy storm Bey went through null and void? Read what you just wrote.
If Beyonce is said to steal people's works, sabatoge her bandmates careers, bleach her skin, etc then that's on her too according to your logic, eh? So what makes what she has gone through any different than what Rih went through according to YOUR LOGIC?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Drayb
Lies. SHE didn't use that rumor. That's like saying Beyonce started the fake divorce rumors to garner support for the OTR tour. You can't always control SOME in your camp's mouths. YET the Hive likes to think Rihanna herself put that out. Does Beyonce denounce any of the MANY rumors surrounding her? Than why should Rihanna? Ten years ago or three--technically about the same age as Blue which makes that pregnancy storm Bey went through null and void? Read what you just wrote.
If Beyonce is said to steal people's works, sabatoge her bandmates careers, bleach her skin, etc then that's on her too according to your logic, eh? So what makes what she has gone through any different than what Rih went through according to YOUR LOGIC?
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She did use that rumor. Even after it started she was walking around Jay with pasty stars on her gotdamn nipples. She enjoyed every bit of the attention she was getting from the connection and has used it her entire career. But this is besides the point.
She has NEVER suffered any career threatening backlash from the media.
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Originally posted by Havoc
Oh please. The whole Rihanna/Jay-Z thing was a rumor only heard on blogs/message boards. That was never going to have any type of effect on her career. Bey's scandals get actual full blown media coverage. Big difference. Her sleeping with celeb A, B and C isn't really that big of a thing either. Hell, I'd say Taylor has gotten more backlash for her love life than Rihanna has.
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TRUE but everytime you turned around, she got massive hate from the Beyhive and Beyhive fueled media which started and cultivated the label, "industry ho" and it was all due partly to this "blog/message board" rumor that grew legs. Taylor hasn't nearly been ostracized and criticized like Rih. It a cute little joke about her songwriting but it's not nearly as bad as what Rih endured and at the start of a career to make it even worse when you know that's "make or break" time.
If truth be told, the Hive should have been the main ones supporting Rih knowing what your fav went through as far as BS rumors go but you guys were the main ones leading the witch hunt against Rih. Hence the start of the bad blood betweent he stan bases. That's another thread altogether.
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
She did use that rumor. Even after it started she was walking around Jay with pasty stars on her gotdamn nipples. She enjoyed every bit of the attention she was getting from the connection and has used it her entire career. But this is besides the point.
She has NEVER suffered any career threatening backlash from the media.
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There's a difference between using a rumor and ignorning a rumor. Rih has and still does ignore mostly all RUMORS about her. If it's something based in fact, Rih usually addresses it straight out so don't even go there with that lie.
I named all the media backlash she got just about her WHOLE CAREER and you refuse to even acknowldge. If anything, I think you're delusional about the media being against Bey because it's actually QUITE THE OPPOSITE. She's a media darling.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I appreciate the thought you put into this, but it's ridiculous to even suggest that she was treated worse by the media than many of our faves. Madonna, Janet, Mariah, Britney, Gaga and Rihanna have all been through actual career-threatening s**t storms. Bey gets occasional shade/prodding and stupid tabloid rumors, but she is also always properly defended and the media still kisses her butt the vast majority of the time. Her career was never at risk for any media-driven fiasco.
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What was the DC's break up if not media driven fiasco? Did the other girls have people showing up at their concert with signs reading "Beyoncé is the devil" at the age of 17?. The only ones I agree with on this list being more trashed than Bey is Madonna and to an extension Britney. I mean until this day people are stil basing their hatred on that DC break up.
But then again, Britney invited those people in her life. Her whole life was shown on TV. The thing is when you do stupid things like that, you get stupid results. Bey didn't create her pregnancy blacklash, she just had a miscarriage and the whole world was saying she faked her pregancy, stole a baby somewhere to pass it as her own. Do you know what that can do to someone?
Just because Beyoncé doesn't fold, break or cry doesn't mean her struggles are not existent. Just because she is not defeated doesn't mean she didn't have to fight.
I don't agree with your post at all tbh.
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Originally posted by Drayb
There's a difference between using a rumor and ignorning a rumor. Rih has and still does ignore mostly all RUMORS about her. If it's something based in fact, Rih usually addresses it straight out so don't even go there with that lie.
I named all the media backlash she got just about her WHOLE CAREER and you refuse to even acknowldge. If anything, I think you're delusional about the media being against Bey because it's actually QUITE THE OPPOSITE. She's a media darling.
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You're naming gossip blog stories. Rihanna being an alleged ***** has NEVER been WW news. Like someone stated, T. Swift gets a bigger backlash for her dating history compared to Rihanna. And how you managed to even weasel the discussion to include Rihanna, I can't even remember. But I'm off that. If you want to discuss all the crap people say about your fave, feel free to start a thread.
And I've never said the media is against Beyonce. Why should they be? They only pounce when a story arises. But to act like they continuously kiss her ass is delusional when we have more proof they don't then you have proof that they do.
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
You're naming gossip blog stories. Rihanna being an alleged ***** has NEVER been WW news. Like someone stated, T. Swift gets a bigger backlash for her dating history compared to Rihanna. And how you managed to even weasel the discussion to inclide Rihanna, I can't even remember. But I'm off that. If you want to discuss all the crap people say about your fave, feel free to start a thread.
And I've never said the media is against Beyonce. Why should they be? They only pounce when a story arises. But to act like they continuously kiss her ass is delusional when we have more proof they don't then you have proof that they do.
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You are so annoying because you seem to have a one track mind. YOU SAID BEY get's the most backlash. People are trying to tell or show you she doesn't and hasn't suffered more than the next pop girl--maybe even less. Of course I'M GOING to talk about my fav and the backlash she got and gets as well as her struggles because THAT'S WHO I FOLLOW. Why would I talk about someone else when I don't care enough about them to know their struggles are/were but I'm sure one of their stans knows. If all the imaginary stuff that Rih has suffered from is due to just gossip/blog stories, than the same can be said about your fav and the whole discussion and thread is null and void at this point.
Give me examples of when the media doesn't kiss Bey's ass.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by Drayb
TRUE but everytime you turned around, she got massive hate from the Beyhive and Beyhive fueled media which started and cultivated the label, "industry ho" and it was all due partly to this "blog/message board" rumor that grew legs. Taylor hasn't nearly been ostracized and criticized like Rih. It a cute little joke about her songwriting but it's not nearly as bad as what Rih endured and at the start of a career to make it even worse when you know that's "make or break" time.
If truth be told, the Hive should have been the main ones supporting Rih knowing what your fav went through as far as BS rumors go but you guys were the main ones leading the witch hunt against Rih. Hence the start of the bad blood betweent he stan bases. That's another thread altogether.
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Girl stop. The Jay-Z/Rihanna affair was NEVER anywhere close to being a major story. That rumor absolutely zero effect on her overall reputation. Her love life doesn't get that much backlash either. Even when she was desperately thrusting her relationship with Chris back in 2012 it wasn't even that big of a deal.
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by Havoc
Girl stop.]Even when she was desperately thrusting her relationship with Chris back in 2012 it wasn't even that big of a deal.
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By typing this alone I can't take anything you say seriously.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Drayb
You are so annoying because you seem to have a one track mind. YOU SAID BEY get's the most backlash. People are trying to tell or show you she doesn't and hasn't suffered more than the next pop girl--maybe even less. Of course I'M GOING to talk about my fav and the backlash she got and gets as well as her struggles because THAT'S WHO I FOLLOW. Why would I talk about someone else when I don't care enough about them to know their struggles are/were but I'm sure one of their stans knows. If all the imaginary stuff that Rih has suffered from is due to just gossip/blog stories, than the same can be said about your fav and the whole discussion and thread is null and void at this point.
Give me examples of when the media doesn't kiss Bey's ass.
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Let's get something straight. I have 1 WP. You keep calling me all these lil names and I'm going to amass at least 7 more before it's said and done. If you find me so damn annoying, STOP QUOTING ME. If you're unable to have a conversation without calling me delusional, ignorant, annoying, STOP QUOTING ME. If you're going to continue to ride your feelings, STOP QUOTING ME.
Now, I'm trying to be a good Christian woman on this blessed Thursday, the 2nd day of April.
Now, I've never said she's gotten the most backlash. A quick trip back a few pages would clock you on that. I've stated compared to most, aside from Britney, Madonna, and maybe Maraih, she's gotten some of the most severe.
1. Bumpgate
2. DC Scandal
3. Inauguration fiasco
4. SB Pics
5. Fake ass edited L'Oreal pics
6. The Selma controversy
7. Getting dragged in the media for Kanye's and the Hive's behavior after the Grammys
8. Photoshopping her IG
9. The ongoing divorce rumors for the past 5 years.
10. Her trip to Cuba
and your all's personal fave
11. her songwriting, thievery, video stealing, same clothes wearing as someone less relevant then her
All of which where WW stories, covered by respected publications and news sources, not just blogs.
See how that works? You ask for receipts, I provide. I wish it was a shared sentiment.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Bey'Knight
Only a sadist would make a thread lile this. Beyonce has earned every iota of respect she gets. Maybe it's her good karma; she's not one to spew negativity like u or ur favs. Those that praise her are actually in her world whereas u make inferences based on blog posts, instagram posts, pap shots and tabloid articles.
OP i suggest u find some light in your life because a couple of cosigns from an atrl thread will not dim Beyonce's nor will it make yours or any other artist's brighter!
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I'm a part of the hive first of all
I adore beyonce and her abilities as a vocalist and musician
I wasn't attempting to drag bey.. It's just an observation
She is the only celeb that gets dragged for the praise she recieves
There's always a large amount of shade thrown towards her way whenever the acclaim starts rolling in, more so than any other pop artist. As a hive member this is what I see all the time especially forums like this..Anything said about her in a positive light tends have this backhanded negative effect and I don't understand that why this happens only when her name enters the equation.. It annoys me because I don't really understand the gist of it; I just tried to encourage a logical discussion, which why I included variables from both ends
The hostility was unnecessary
Your hostility was unnecessary..
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Let's say the media over-praises her, what is your excuse for the praise coming from her inspirations and newbies she has inspired?
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Member Since: 5/7/2009
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
Her "PR team" yall keep mentioning is literally the flawless presentation of her work. It's not like she pays tabloids or websites to write good things. Damn Buzzfeed are her biggest stans and yet when Yvette asked if they could remove a few pictures on one post, they exposed her letter and led that **** to blow up.
So no. There is no "PR machine". She simply knows how to present good work. Whatever she does she'll give it 110% and it'll reflect back positively.
For examples, the roll out of ST could have been a mess if the videos were **** and the music was subpar. But since everything was neatly packaged and well done, the media could do nothing but praise it. In retrospect, it's easy to say that ST was only a success for its release strategy, but that's just the illusion that Beyoncé's work ethic gives. She makes everything she does look effortless.
That's the "PR" behind her...to never put out below average material whether it's a performance, music, a commercial, etc.
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The amazing pr that caused the superbowl pics to go viral
And most of the time does nothing when the media is attacking her
Amazing pr.
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Member Since: 5/7/2009
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Originally posted by QueenBeé
Let's say the media over-praises her, what is your excuse for the praise coming from her inspirations and newbies she has inspired?
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Her amazing pr is forcing them to praise her
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by ImmaSlave4u
If anything about bey should be praised, it's her PR team.
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Beyonce's team is trash
Idk why some of you insist on perpetuating this lie as a way to devalue her when there isn't any evidence that suggests this is the case. Where was this brilliant Pope and Associates PR team when the entire world was questioning the validity of her reproduction system back in 2011, or even a year ago when the entire world was convinced that she and her husband (who very closely resembles a camel) were headed for divorce? Where were they, Diane? Can you tell me?
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Member Since: 12/27/2011
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Yes, she's overrated. Not on the talent side but on everything else.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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I find her to be massively overrated. And it's simply because she doesn't come off as human to me. She's just not relatable in any way, for me.
It's fine if you love her. But, I do find her massively overrated.
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Yes. It's popular between pop music fans to stan extremely for her.
And actually same thing is with "hating Katy". That is so popular as well. Mocking with the lack of grammys (as if grammys are indicators to talent or success?!), bashing vocals (which are actually not that bad). I mean all of ATRL knows every word to her songs and enjoy her but when its internet, they love shading her. It's just too cliche.
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First of all, BnPac just became my new fav on this site. Your posts were great, unfortunately the haters did not seem to read it or just ignored it, because after all, you completely nailed it.
Concerning the question why so many stanbases love to hate Bey. Its actually very easy to answer: Because shes on top. Remember when Madonna was on top? She was dragged to the pits! Remember when Brit was on top? She was dragged to the pits after a while. Remember when Gaga was on top? She was dragged to the pits after a while. And as you said BnPac, while most people couldnt endure the hate afterwards and couldnt bounce back the way they wanted to (see Britney or Gags as examples), Bey is rising above, which makes the hate grow.
I mean it makes sense: It must be so frustrating to see somebody you hate grow power-wise. Seeing somebody not showing any kind of vulnerability, any kind of decrease careerwise even tho so many things have happened. Bey is actually incredible for what she's doing. And the fact she still managed to get the respect she has now although so so so many people came for her wigs goes to show that eventually, theres no denying that her talent is superior to all the negativity. Because AT THE END OF THE DAY, people KNOW, Bey is going to deliver the best performance of the night. Thats something, no one can deny, her talent of being a show stopper including FLAWLESS LIVE vocals and insane choreo at the same damn time. Because in that moment, all the stupid talk gets irrelevant.
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