"you mean the broken families, high drop out rates, lowest income and highest crime rate issues among black culture?" In what way is this black culture or black peoples faults and if you would do a few clicks in the search bar you would see reasons for these things.
Someone gets it.
This may be a stupid issue, but others, even gays, are guilty of trying to divide. As if there isn't racism among gays.
Most people in this thread just don't get that it stems from black people in general not being credited with as much as they should be. Scientific bias still exists, whether they acknowledge it or not. A vernacular is a silly thing to claim. But it just means that anyone raising the argument doesn't know what they should really be searching for. No surprise since a lot of African history is ignored, and seeking anything that was there before Kemet/Egypt isn't really encouraged, yet they'll be the first be funny and make a thread about "black thugs" or "what have black people contributed to humanity....besides music?" I want to know what came from Afrika in 23,000 B.C.
It's funny how they criticize African Americans for being so outspoken, yet forget that they were massacred, unable to vote, etc before they became so outspoken. Anyone who thinks racism doesn't still exist is delusional. That Oklahoma video shed a little light. But you just know there are millions more 'people' like those students who will grow up to be tomorrow's politicians and lawmakers. Descendents of slave masters and still keeping their ignorance and hatred alive. That's their way of dividing. Not as vocal and verbal, yet it has greater repercussions.
"I have an inner black woman" shouldn't be said, fine. next. But the rest "claimed by black women?" SAYS WHO?
Why are black women pitting themselves against white gay men when ball-lingo from "Paris is Burning" was created and expanded initially by gay/bi/trans men of color and poor white gay/bi/trans men?
One of the biggest storylines in Paris is Burning is a poor young white man going through a transition that is taken in by one of the houses after I believe he was thrown out of his place.
The people in the ball culture environment tended to be minorities because white gay men could remain closeted in their socioeconomic advantage that minorities didn't necessarily have, but there ARE poorer white men that were entrenched in that culture.
If I'm wrong, correct me with evidence, but was this lingo from the ball-culture that started in the '50s based on prior language from black women in the jazz age? NO ONE is going to evidence of them originating it which I'd LOVE to hear, finally, to END this broken-record of a discussion.
Things are more important than lingo.
Black women pitted against white gay men is what those in power in this patriarchy of a country WANT. It needs to stop.
Who actually cares? Adopting mannerisms and social actions of other cultures is being part of a multi-cultural society.
You 'colourblind' people are probably the worst. Racism exists. Racism has existed. Racism will exist. It won't just evaporate bc a few celebs want to do small small 'let's all be friends' walks. The key issue here is the fact Black Women and Queer folk are constantly policed by all sections of society, never given their fair due and made to feel empathy to those who steal part of their identity. You act like it's 'not a big deal' but it is. It's a form of Aversive Racism.
This may be a stupid issue, but others, even gays, are guilty of trying to divide. As if there isn't racism among gays.
Most people in this thread just don't get that it stems from black people in general not being credited with as much as they should be. Scientific bias still exists, whether they acknowledge it or not. A vernacular is a silly thing to claim. But it just means that anyone raising the argument doesn't know what they should really be searching for. No surprise since a lot of African history is ignored, and seeking anything that was there before Kemet/Egypt isn't really encouraged, yet they'll be the first be funny and make a thread about "black thugs" or "what have black people contributed to humanity....besides music?" I want to know what came from Afrika in 23,000 B.C.
It's funny how they criticize African Americans for being so outspoken, yet forget that they were massacred, unable to vote, etc before they became so outspoken. Anyone who thinks racism doesn't still exist is delusional. That Oklahoma video shed a little light. But you just know there are millions more 'people' like those students who will grow up to be tomorrow's politicians and lawmakers. Descendents of slave masters and still keeping their ignorance and hatred alive. That's their way of dividing. Not as vocal and verbal, yet it has greater repercussions.
You 'colourblind' people are probably the worst. Racism exists. Racism has existed. Racism will exist. It won't just evaporate bc a few celebs want to do small small 'let's all be friends' walks. The key issue here is the fact Black Women and Queer folk are constantly policed by all sections of society, never given their fair due and made to feel empathy to those who steal part of their identity. You act like it's 'not a big deal' but it is. It's a form of Aversive Racism.
So you're saying that using terms like 'YASSSSS', 'bye Felicia' and 'throw shade' are aversive racism? That we should only use terms that are appropriate to our ethnicity and gender?
You 'colourblind' people are probably the worst. Racism exists. Racism has existed. Racism will exist. It won't just evaporate bc a few celebs want to do small small 'let's all be friends' walks. The key issue here is the fact Black Women and Queer folk are constantly policed by all sections of society, never given their fair due and made to feel empathy to those who steal part of their identity. You act like it's 'not a big deal' but it is. It's a form of Aversive Racism.
I'm black and I'm honestly over all this. Yall do nothing but makes us blacks look like victims. When a lot of our problems are caused by ourselves. Now they are trying to make gays look like the bad people. I swear we will blame everybody but ourselves for the problems we face. This is nothing more than liberal fascism. This is not racism at all.
So you're saying that using terms like 'YASSSSS', 'bye Felicia' and 'throw shade' are aversive racism? That we should only use terms that are appropriate to our ethnicity and gender?
So you're saying that using terms like 'YASSSSS', 'bye Felicia' and 'throw shade' are aversive racism? That we should only use terms that are appropriate to our ethnicity and gender?
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Originally posted by princedonte
I'm black and I'm honestly over all this. Yall do nothing but makes us blacks look like victims. When a lot of our problems are caused by ourselves. Now they are trying to make gays look like the bad people. I swear we will blame everybody but ourselves for the problems we face. This is nothing more than liberal fascism. This is not racism at all.
Dear god, the fact you actually just agreed boys and girls must only act and talk "gender appropriate", way to discredit yourself entirely drag your bigoted head into the 21st century.
I just want to pin point one thing, most if not all of 'gay vernacular' originates from 30s ball culture. An underground gay club pageant circuit that allowed people to embrace their sexuality and gender identity in a safe setting during a time where it was outlawed. So a lot of the time that people speaking on behalf of 'black woman's' language saying that the gays are appropriating it ..it was actually appropriated by black women who included it into their own vernacular because of the intersect of gay culture and 'beauty parlour culture'.
This is not even acknowledging the shift to this day where black women on every reality tv show now come equipped with a gay whose language they adopt. But I don't see anyone on that side getting clocked everytime a woman on screen comes dripping in drag. Which is .. interesting.
But then again people love shaping their identity around playing the victim.
I'm black and I'm honestly over all this. Yall do nothing but makes us blacks look like victims. When a lot of our problems are caused by ourselves. Now they are trying to make gays look like the bad people. I swear we will blame everybody but ourselves for the problems we face. This is nothing more than liberal fascism. This is not racism at all.
Black people do agree that we are only part of the problem....and in tern only part of the solution. Black communities do many things to try to fix their problems or minimize them as much as possible. However, that doesn't absolve others for their continued involvement in perpetuating or adding onto the problems black people face.
Secondly, I would argue that blacks are not being victims by speaking out against racism. Keeping quiet is allowing yourself to be the victim of racism. Demanding a certain level of respect even if don't agree with black customs or behavior is not being a victim. It's the opposite of being the victim. It's not allowing yourself to be the victim in perpetuity.
LOL! @ Liberal fascism. Yes I always use the most offensive terms to describe my own races struggles for equality. I always love listening to you self hating blacks who have no basis going around talking about liberal fascism. If it was up to conservatives you wouldn't even have the right to vote or go to a school with white people in it. You'd still be suckling on a coloreds only water fountain. The liberals are the reason any progress has been made at all in terms of equal rights. You benefited from what you termed "liberal fascism". Go read a book....
This may be a stupid issue, but others, even gays, are guilty of trying to divide. As if there isn't racism among gays.
Most people in this thread just don't get that it stems from black people in general not being credited with as much as they should be. Scientific bias still exists, whether they acknowledge it or not. A vernacular is a silly thing to claim. But it just means that anyone raising the argument doesn't know what they should really be searching for. No surprise since a lot of African history is ignored, and seeking anything that was there before Kemet/Egypt isn't really encouraged, yet they'll be the first be funny and make a thread about "black thugs" or "what have black people contributed to humanity....besides music?" I want to know what came from Afrika in 23,000 B.C.
It's funny how they criticize African Americans for being so outspoken, yet forget that they were massacred, unable to vote, etc before they became so outspoken. Anyone who thinks racism doesn't still exist is delusional. That Oklahoma video shed a little light. But you just know there are millions more 'people' like those students who will grow up to be tomorrow's politicians and lawmakers. Descendents of slave masters and still keeping their ignorance and hatred alive. That's their way of dividing. Not as vocal and verbal, yet it has greater repercussions.
Good point.
Black people (to an extent, and with the civil war) still largely had to had to set themselves free and fight for themselves, rather than be liberated by someone else (usually the oppressors just voluntarily leaving and "granting" independence.)
I'm black and I'm honestly over all this. Yall do nothing but makes us blacks look like victims. When a lot of our problems are caused by ourselves. Now they are trying to make gays look like the bad people. I swear we will blame everybody but ourselves for the problems we face. This is nothing more than liberal fascism. This is not racism at all.
didnt a few days ago you said you hated being black?
Black people do agree that we are only part of the problem....and in tern only part of the solution. Black communities do many things to try to fix their problems or minimize them as much as possible. However, that doesn't absolve others for their continued involvement in perpetuating or adding onto the problems black people face.
Secondly, I would argue that blacks are not being victims by speaking out against racism. Keeping quiet is allowing yourself to be the victim of racism. Demanding a certain level of respect even if don't agree with black customs or behavior is not being a victim. It's the opposite of being the victim. It's not allowing yourself to be the victim in perpetuity.
LOL! @ Liberal fascism. Yes I always use the most offensive terms to describe my own races struggles for equality. I always love listening to you self hating blacks who have no basis going around talking about liberal fascism. If it was up to conservatives you wouldn't even have the right to vote or go to a school with white people in it. You'd still be suckling on a coloreds only water fountain. The liberals are the reason any progress has been made at all in terms of equal rights. You benefited from what you termed "liberal fascism". Go read a book....
educate them i hate when gays and minorities put down social justice and liberals without them you wouldnt be able to ride that white dick you love so much.
This women's rights group need to stop generalizing. Minority (extremely small compared to women as a whole!) + generalizations = marginalizing.
I swear, I have never encountered a gay make that likes to "bring out their inner sassy black women". I agree that that phrase is extremely cringey and offensive, and have seen a compilation video of obnoxious gay men demonstrating it.... but like can you ****ing not generalize? Please? Why are you telling me to stop doing something I never did in the first place? Why are you telling all my gay male friends to stop doing something they've never done before? OH you were actually referring to a small handful of gay men? Why didn't you say so? Want to be more oppressed than gay people...?
I fully agree and support that people should not appropriate your culture, but if you're going to reference minorities please be specific and do not generalize; otherwise you come across as obnoxious and really mad. Plus, when you single out 'gay men', you send the message that you don't care if anyone else appropriate black women culture.
This was the video by the way:
So yeah, I enocurage this women's rights group to simmer the **** down, stop generalizing, realize they saw about two gay men in their entire lives appropriating black women culture so they thought every other gay males do that too, and keep preaching the importance of removing cultural appropriation in a more calm and intelligent manner. As a gay man who respects black women culture, it is somewhat offensive that this group is generalizing gay men as a whole, claiming they all all happily participate in cultural appropriation.